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REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Discuss hard-to-find or out-of-print New Wave and '80s Alternative, and share a few songs along the way.
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REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby rymc730 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:40 pm

Does anyone have the 7" edit version of Berlin's "Like Flames?"
https://www.discogs.com/Berlin-Like-Flames/master/64911
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby Willbfree » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:49 pm

I have a 192kbps (sad quality) mp3, back from when this site's rarities collection was still online (look down to the section titled "BERLIN & TERRI NUNN - ESSENTIAL ANTHOLOGY")
http://saltyka.blogspot.com/2008/08/

But I don't know how to deliver a file properly. Tips?
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby Willbfree » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:08 pm

Check your PM.
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby maccafan076 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:41 pm

Is that Eseential collection around to purchase? Seems to be the only thing I find is on that blog
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby eLeMeNOhPeaQ » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:36 am

OK, I'm confused. Years ago, I had downloaded that Essential Anthology from the saltyka blogspot, and had backed it up. I just checked the "45 edit"...it's a simple early fade of the album version, with a 4:21 playing time. The music video on YouTube has a 4:15 playing time (with about 3 seconds of silence, 1 second at the beginning and 2 seconds at the end). The music video has 4 edits throughout the song, and finally finishes just as the album version does...no early fade out. A look on Discogs, and the US 7" has a playing time of 4:02, and the UK 7" has a playing time of 4:06. None of the times are matching up.

I recreated the "45 edit" and renamed it "Early Fade," and recreated the video version and named it "Video Edit."

Like Flames [Early Fade] 4:22
https://www55.zippyshare.com/v/AABS9xNg/file.html

Like Flames [Video Edit] 4:15
https://www113.zippyshare.com/v/fGX30s5t/file.html

Edits are at:
1:30, 2 seconds cut out (which is odd)
1:43, 15 seconds cut out
2:11, 15 seconds cut out
3:14, 15 seconds cut out
Also, the music video's audio plays approximately 0.35% slower

Since I found that first edit in the Video Edit odd, I added them back in for...
Like Flames [Video Edit Plus] 4:17
https://www56.zippyshare.com/v/jAKKyLBP/file.html

I wonder if the "45 edit' on the Anthology is even official...my guess is it's not, as it appears the compilation is fanmade.
All of my uploads are MP3s @ 320kbps.
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby Willbfree » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:56 pm

eLeMeNOhPeaQ wrote:I recreated the video version and named it "Video Edit."
...
Since I found that first edit in the Video Edit odd, I added them back in for...
Like Flames [Video Edit Plus] 4:17
https://www56.zippyshare.com/v/jAKKyLBP/file.html


Thanks! I usually avoid fan-recreations, but versions produced for music videos almost never come out officially so this recreation is great to have. Thanks!
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby elviscaprice » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:56 am

Really??? What does official mean? Some flunky at a record label?? Just because it was done back then? Time? Too funny!
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby Willbfree » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:09 pm

elviscaprice wrote:Really??? What does official mean? Some flunky at a record label?? Just because it was done back then? Time? Too funny!


If fans had access to the multitracks then sure, you could argue that fans may do as well as the professionals. But since fans generally do not, their remakes of single versions are just edits, and as such may have subtle differences from the real single versions - differences which couldn't be replicated. For example, without access to the multitracks, a fan couldn't rebuild the music video version of David Bowie's "Underground" because the last half-minute of the music video doesn't match any of the singles or the album version - Bowie's vocals occur at different moments. But in the case of singles, usually there are more subtle differences.

Even professionals with access to multitracks may make mistakes when they try to recreate official versions, when the differences are subtle. Any time you are trying to replicate someone else's work, you're going to make mistakes. It is inevitable. To stay with Bowie as the example, when Rykodisc presented the single versions of many of his songs, some were not really the official single versions. They remade them, and mistakes were made that fans who were familiar with the real singles detected. Inaccurate versions of Space Oddity, TVC15, DJ, Ashes to Ashes, Let’s Dance (different edit point in guitar solo), China Girl (different edit point in guitar solo), Modern Love (different edit point after first chorus), etc..

So yes, there is a difference between official and unofficial. And sometimes unofficial is great - eLeMeNOhPeaQ outdid the pros with his "Like Flames [Video Edit Plus]" - and he properly took credit for it being his own version!
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby maccafan076 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:05 pm

Can the Essential Anthology be shared if anyone still has it? It looks like it was only on that site.
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Re: REQUEST: Berlin "Like Flames" edit

Postby rymc730 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:42 pm

eLeMeNOhPeaQ wrote:OK, I'm confused. Years ago, I had downloaded that Essential Anthology from the saltyka blogspot, and had backed it up. I just checked the "45 edit"...it's a simple early fade of the album version, with a 4:21 playing time. The music video on YouTube has a 4:15 playing time (with about 3 seconds of silence, 1 second at the beginning and 2 seconds at the end). The music video has 4 edits throughout the song, and finally finishes just as the album version does...no early fade out. A look on Discogs, and the US 7" has a playing time of 4:02, and the UK 7" has a playing time of 4:06. None of the times are matching up.

I recreated the "45 edit" and renamed it "Early Fade," and recreated the video version and named it "Video Edit."

Like Flames [Early Fade] 4:22
https://www55.zippyshare.com/v/AABS9xNg/file.html

Like Flames [Video Edit] 4:15
https://www113.zippyshare.com/v/fGX30s5t/file.html

Edits are at:
1:30, 2 seconds cut out (which is odd)
1:43, 15 seconds cut out
2:11, 15 seconds cut out
3:14, 15 seconds cut out
Also, the music video's audio plays approximately 0.35% slower

Since I found that first edit in the Video Edit odd, I added them back in for...
Like Flames [Video Edit Plus] 4:17
https://www56.zippyshare.com/v/jAKKyLBP/file.html

I wonder if the "45 edit' on the Anthology is even official...my guess is it's not, as it appears the compilation is fanmade.
All of my uploads are MP3s @ 320kbps.


Thank you for sharing these!
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