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| FreeWave |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 11:26:44
When specifically did New Wave DIE? Vote and then write exactly why you picked the year you chose.  |
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| tha_farfetch |
Posted - 12/27/2005 : 22:05:41
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Originally posted by Randall Roq
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Originally posted by st arry
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Originally posted by SwampThing
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...For every decent song like Shattered Dreams..
I have just one thing to say: "WTF"?
I bet you like it really.  Very catchy motif runs through it, good confident vocal, punchy chorus, nice harmonic change at 'I thought it was you', and nice falsetto lift at the end of the chorus. Probably the only decent single they did, but well constructed song in an effective production. Didn't actually know it at the time - as I said I'd gone off pop music, but it's not bad. Worth hearing now and again.
I just noticed this post.
Sometimes I don't know if you are serious or not! You said before a video like Sledgehammer is overrated and then on this post you're praising a piece of crap like Shattered Dreams?!? Dude what is up with you?!
I listen to a lot of garbage but even I could never defend this tripe nor would I want to.
"Very catchy motif..." you can't be serious?! It was one of the worst pieces of dreck to float down the river since the Worst Dreck Down The River Competition. How the holy hell can you defend a piece of shit like that. Johnny Hates Jazz, Breakfast Club and the like were as far as I'm concerned the final nail in the New Wave coffin.
If you're trying to get a rise out of me, it worked.
Is it easy typing with a straitjacket on?
"Shattered Dreams", what a fantastic song ! Everytime i listen to it i can't focus on anything but the song, it's a masterpiece. I also love "Turn Back The Clock" and "I Don't Want to be a Hero". Those three were hits of the trio over here.
I know that Clark Datchler then went solo and performed a decent song called "I Don't Want You !" and finally with the band "Medicine Wheel", "The Last Emotion", the one i consider his second best song ever.
The best New Wave comes from The Great Britain, i have always thought that.
Regarding the end of New Wave, it lived till 1990 on this part of Latin America, exactly when rap started and MTV played the MC Hammer video "U Can't Touch This".
Local radio stations refused to play the rap and we listened to great New Wave bands in spanish that came from Argentina, Chile and Spain, Soda Stereo, Prisioneros, Duncan Dhu, etc.
Fortunately, (but without MTV promotion), some fantastic bands emerged and played a similar kind of music, The Ocean Blue, Camouflage, etc and i think New Wave is the best influence for every band that wants to play good nowadays.
FarFetch. |
| suttonrecords |
Posted - 12/25/2005 : 10:51:20
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Originally posted by fanciz
Yeps New Wave Essentials is a very good compilation, representative of what we like in the Philippines. On one side the Gentle New Wave and on the other side the Power New Wave. I grabbed it immediately in spite of the fact that I have all those songs except for New Dreams For Old,The Room. Actually I ordered 2 albums of that band and at least one has already arrived in Manila, I will get it in a few days.
Recently EMI has released the Vol2 of Can't Get Enough of the 80's, not too bad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BFG8UK/qid=1135511431/sr=1-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-4290220-1371959?s=music&v=glance&n=5174
Now regarding the difference of opinion between the Manila's school and the US based dudes, I think it was just a question of exposure to the right stations, the right magazines, like Jingle's which did all the research for us. Those guys were fantastic, they played the best bands, the best tracks of the albums and this has considerably eased our task of collecting New Wave artists. So, I think we should just be thankful to have been at the right place, at the right time...Had we been based in the States, who knows, we might just be genuinely convinced that Madonna is a New Wave artist....But well, we are all New Wavers, one way or another, and I believe that by keeping an open mind, by exchanging information , we will be able to reduce our difference of opinion...
PS: Yeps, I have the BM 105 Playlist and in a few more months I will be able to complete their entire library but I don't think I can post it here, it's 15 page long, double columns.
PS2: Actually, I watched your launching Of XB102 at Gweilo's, Libis, got the Pin Up Girls CD. Scarlet Tears performed and if you can help that band, do it coz they are really good and they are .... my friends eheheheh
Fanciz, Merry Christmas to you. Can you e-mail me that BM-105 playlist at xb102music@yahoo.com? In return, I'll send you the playlist that I have from them. Do you have any Manila radio broadcasts from the '80s? We could trade as I have quite a few.
Yes, I have Scarlet Tears' excellent EP; they remind me of the Identity Crisis, the March Violets, the Bel-Fires, Xmal Deutschland, and Siouxsie & the Banshees. I did e-mail them but they're not interested in working with a record label.
Hey, that '80s compilation has an excellent track listing! I wish the American version of "Just Can't Get Enough" was as strong as that.
Right place at the right time, yes. When I moved back here I went through New Wave culture shock because none of the record stores or DJs had heard of the Pale Fountains, Xmal Deutschland, Friends Again, the Lotus Eaters, Orange Juice, Fra Lippo Lippi, Care, etc., all very familiar to us.
Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com |
| fanciz |
Posted - 12/25/2005 : 04:49:59
Yeps New Wave Essentials is a very good compilation, representative of what we like in the Philippines. On one side the Gentle New Wave and on the other side the Power New Wave. I grabbed it immediately in spite of the fact that I have all those songs except for New Dreams For Old,The Room. Actually I ordered 2 albums of that band and at least one has already arrived in Manila, I will get it in a few days.
Recently EMI has released the Vol2 of Can't Get Enough of the 80's, not too bad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BFG8UK/qid=1135511431/sr=1-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-4290220-1371959?s=music&v=glance&n=5174
Now regarding the difference of opinion between the Manila's school and the US based dudes, I think it was just a question of exposure to the right stations, the right magazines, like Jingle's which did all the research for us. Those guys were fantastic, they played the best bands, the best tracks of the albums and this has considerably eased our task of collecting New Wave artists. So, I think we should just be thankful to have been at the right place, at the right time...Had we been based in the States, who knows, we might just be genuinely convinced that Madonna is a New Wave artist....But well, we are all New Wavers, one way or another, and I believe that by keeping an open mind, by exchanging information , we will be able to reduce our difference of opinion...
PS: Yeps, I have the BM 105 Playlist and in a few more months I will be able to complete their entire library but I don't think I can post it here, it's 15 page long, double columns.
PS2: Actually, I watched your launching Of XB102 at Gweilo's, Libis, got the Pin Up Girls CD. Scarlet Tears performed and if you can help that band, do it coz they are really good and they are .... my friends eheheheh |
| suttonrecords |
Posted - 12/24/2005 : 20:04:11
Fanciz, you have an actual BM-105 playlist? Can you post that? Or e-mail it to me?
Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com |
| suttonrecords |
Posted - 12/24/2005 : 19:44:45
Fanciz, your post put a smile on my face. You and Rubbeet share my background. I remember when Rhino released the "Just Can't Get Enough: New Wave Hits of the '80s" series of CDs and how shocked and disappointed I was by much of its contents. Perhaps I was naive in those days, but I was expecting songs such as the Adventures' "Two Rivers" or the Lotus Eaters' "The First Picture of You" or Care's "Whatever Possessed You" on there. Where I am from, those were the New Wave hits and not the Bangles or even Blondie, for that matter. Compare the U.S.-programmed "Just Can't Get Enough" to the just released "New Wave Essentials" compilation CD from Warner Music Philippines:
"New Wave Essentials" (Warner Music Philippines - 2005)
WILD SWANS - BRINGING HOME THE ASHES
LOTUS EATERS - GERMAN GIRL
ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN - KILLING MOON
AZTEC CAMERA - WALK OUT TO WINTER
NEW ORDER - DREAMS NEVER END
THE SMITHS - PANIC
CHAMELEONS UK - TEARS
BOOK OF LOVE - I TOUCH ROSES
MIGHTY LEMON DROPS - OUT OF HAND
STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE - SINCE YESTERDAY
THE ROOM - NEW DREAMS FOR OLD
SOUP DRAGONS - SOFT AS YOUR FACE
SISTERS OF MERCY - THIS CORROSION
THE CALL - EVERYWHERE I GO
ADVENTURES - BROKEN LAND
JESUS AND MARY CHAIN - JUST LIKE HONEY
Now that's the New Wave I know and love! Those were the hits that I remember from the New Wave radio stations over there. A lot of the stuff that I hear on Music Choice's (supposedly New Wave) Retro-Active channel, like the Producers, Wham!, or Cyndi Lauper, has me scratching my head although I give them credit for the Bolshoi and the Sound.
But there were so many great New Wave hits from the late '80s -- the Railway Children's "Over and Over," Fra Lippo Lippi's "Angel," Balaam & the Angel's "Light of the World," the Fountainhead's "Someone Like You," the Housemartins' "The People Who Grinned Themselves to Death," nearly every cut from the Wild Swans' masterpiece "Bringing Home the Ashes" -- that I feel the genre merely got better in that period instead of fading away.
It just depends on where you lived, I guess.
Fanciz, when you have time check out the return of XB-102 with the original DJs broadcasting at:
http://www.wxb102forever.com
I'm not sure if you tuned in yet but I know Rubbeet's been logging in hours, ha ha ha!!! Cool Carla and Mick Flame (Mickey the Clown) are back and the Morning Man is due to return soon. Vintage 102 music only. Merry Christmas to all!
Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com |
| fanciz |
Posted - 12/23/2005 : 15:17:58
I would agree, 70's and 80's music don't share the same bed even if a few 80's bands may have started rehearsals in the late 70's! |
| st arry |
Posted - 12/23/2005 : 14:49:18
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Originally posted by xtc-1957
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Originally posted by newwavepopman
I voted on the year 1991 because right after 1991 MTV stopped showing music videos by artists that were still recording New Wave music,and also because that was the year that most radio stations that had a 24 hour New Wave format such as WLIR-WDRE completely changed their format to what I call the worst piece of music in the history of rock and roll,that being Grunge and Alternative.Right before 1992 ended,I stopped hearing alot of synthpop and started hearing more and more of those noise Grunge and Alternative acts on the radio like Nirvana,and whoever else was starting to make an impact back at that time.
After then music was just never the same again.
For me....New Wave was from 1976 to 1982. Still some good stuff in '83 - '84, but primarily died in '82.
Personally I don't like putting 70s music in New Wave. It has, generally, a completely different sound. It's like saying that anything that isn't disco is New Wave. Certainly the late 70s is a good period in American music, but for me the real drive in New Wave came from Britain near the start of the 80s. Putting anything previous to that is like trying to read history backwards. |
| fanciz |
Posted - 12/23/2005 : 14:39:27
First of all I would agree with Michael, the term "die" is totally inappropriate on this board. The question should have been: When did new wave lose its dominance? Because if New wave has died what are we doing here? Cleaning the tombstones? The point is and it was mentioned already, some New wave artists are still releasing materials, DM, New Order, The Cure, Morrissey etc. Secondly, there has never been so many reissues of New wave albums than in those recent years, as if some guys in the record industry would suddenly realize the mistakes they have done in the past...Finally our main divergence is that we don't have the same conception of New wave. In Manila, Blondie, Devo, The Cars, Talking Heads are not new Wave! They are post-punk pop bands repackaged as new wave for commercial purposes, therefore they were given very limited airtime by local NW stations. The stalwarts here are Joy Division, The Cure, The Smiths even if they are referred to as Indie by some quarters, DM, New Order, Fra Lippo Lippi plus a list of at least 300 bands including the gentle NW like The Wild Swans, The Colourfield, the Railway Children, the Bible, the Pale Fountains and The Power New Wave led by X'Mal Deutschland, The Cult, Siouxsie and The Banshees, Sisters Of Mercy, Mission UK, The Waterboys etc. Frankly we never bothered to tag those bands as Goths or whatever, they were New Wave and that's it. I must say that we didn't have your problems of trying to figure out which bands were NW, the list was established by the mythic radio stations XB102 and BM105 and we all agreed. Actually it's kind of easy if one has developed the feel, for example The Stones Roses and The Sundays are new wave, even if they belong to the late 80's. So, if the question is when NW has lost its dominance, I would say 91 as far as the Philippines is concerned. |
| hutter |
Posted - 12/23/2005 : 10:09:18
For myself, New Wave ended with the release of Kraftwerk's The Mix. New Wave's decline was already long in process, but hearing Kraftwerk remake their songs for the techno dance crowd was the final nail in the coffin (it's still a good album-but so damn unneccessary) |
| avcool4u |
Posted - 12/23/2005 : 09:59:25
Holy long thread batman.
My 2 cents.
1986.
By then, people had figured out everything, who they were going to follow, etc. There were some survivors, and some still continue.
After about 1983-84, New Wave wasn't NEW anymore. But the further development of many distinct styles continued on through the 80's decade. There's tons of great music that came out in the second half of the decade. A lot of it is dear to us all because we had set our musical roots into what had happened earlier.
The Cure will never put out another Head on the Door,
Us never another Boy and Depeche Mode never another Some Great Reward. But we're still waiting.
-Tobes
Check out my new wave cover band in Western New York:
www.roar84.com |
| newwavepopman |
Posted - 12/22/2005 : 22:55:10
Amen Fight Test.I agree with you 100% on that.I became a huge fan in 1978 and since that time I never let it die,and why should I? It's music that I love.And to me it doesn't sound the bit dated,as others would say.And others think just because a band or a New Wave artist becomes more mainstream and commerical,means that makes them no longer New Wave anymore.Some people just fail to realize that certain artists will do anything to have some hit records and get on the charts.Believe it or not,there is such a thing called commerical and mainstream New Wave.
Me personally,I prefer the more lesser known artists or bands that were still very popular,but just were never able to crossover very much to top 40 radio,but did so with one or two hits.New Wave never died in my eyes.It just went back into the underground for awhile and then came back.Alot are saying that New Wave died from 82 onward,or from 86-87 onward.Then why were groups such as OMD,Alphaville,and others continually making New Wave music beyond that point? And believe it or not,Alphaville continus making music and their style of New Wave never changed.The same can be said of OMD.Their brand of snythpop continued way beyond the years that most see fit that New Wave music died.
Kraftwerk is also a good prime example of a New Wave band who started out making music that was termed Experimental Music,and took their style even further,and by the time of their Radioactivity album,they were now a full fledged New Wave band.And to this day,alot of bands are influenced by their sound and style.To this day,Kraftwerk are still a New Wave band,but more of a 2005 New Wave band,with some of today's added Techno.
Well I guess that means that when the Talking Heads sold out and charted with their biggest hit "Burning Down The House" this means that they were no longer a New Wave band because they hit the charts? Oops I forgot,Adam Ant hit it big all over the place with Goody Two Shoes,which I guess also means that he sold out,and became more mainstream,and was no longer to be considered New Wave anymore?
And guess what? Both Blondie and The Cars were always in the mainstream and had huge top 40 hits,but everyone still calls them,and looks at them as a New Wave band.Get serious here.There was such a thing as mainstream New Wave,or quote un quote Top 40 New Wave.Both Blondie and The Cars only proves my point,that an artist can still have hits and crossover,and be very mainstream,but yet be still New Wave.Crossing over mainstream didn't kill the term New Wave,it just made it bigger and more known to the general public,that's all. |
| FightTest |
Posted - 12/22/2005 : 21:10:20
I vote never, some people still listen to it, so it hasn't died completely. It's just not on mainstream radio and stuff anymore. |
| xtc-1957 |
Posted - 12/22/2005 : 20:26:02
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Originally posted by newwavepopman
I voted on the year 1991 because right after 1991 MTV stopped showing music videos by artists that were still recording New Wave music,and also because that was the year that most radio stations that had a 24 hour New Wave format such as WLIR-WDRE completely changed their format to what I call the worst piece of music in the history of rock and roll,that being Grunge and Alternative.Right before 1992 ended,I stopped hearing alot of synthpop and started hearing more and more of those noise Grunge and Alternative acts on the radio like Nirvana,and whoever else was starting to make an impact back at that time.
After then music was just never the same again.
For me....New Wave was from 1976 to 1982. Still some good stuff in '83 - '84, but primarily died in '82. |
| jumpshift |
Posted - 12/03/2005 : 18:40:49
This is just my opinion. But I think new wave died in 1992. There were still bands in the early 90's continuing with the 80's sounds even for a while after nirvana came along. frontline assembly, revenge, fortran 5, elegant machinery, depeche mode's awesome violator album, wolfsheim, bands like erasure & pet shop boys were still making hits, and cause & effect. Remember their 1992 hits you think you know her, and another minute. Plus many more. In 1993 it pretty much all vanished I guess. |
| ghosty |
Posted - 11/30/2005 : 15:37:59
Again, I'll just say 1985. That seems about the time that a lot of established New Wave acts drifted into cheeseball pop sludge (not that all of it was bad). I guess the trend (circa 1983-84) saw a lot of NW acts dominate the mainstream and for whatever reason they decided to imitate a Top 40 sound from that point on since they probably saw themselves as pop stars rather than underground heroes. I mean, they're both pop songs, but there's a HUGE difference between Human League's "Don't You Want Me" and 1987's "Human". The latter song could've easily come from Paula Abdul if you make the comparison.
Luckily around that time a lot of great indie-rock was starting up and bands like R.E.M., Sonic Youth and Husker Du were really starting to take hold with the next generation of music aficiandos. Thus begat "90's Alternative" (which I've no problem with).
In Defense Of Nirvana: It's funny that many hear see Nirvana as the epitome of all that was wrong with the 90's when I think of them mainly as a punk band that hit it big and flamed out quickly leaving lots of "little Nirvanas" to stink up the joint. I was a college DJ in 1991 and Nirvana were always thought of as a punk band (like Mudhoney and The Melvins) until "...Teen Spirit" became a hit and some corporate slobs who were late for the party invented the catch-all moniker "Grunge". I recall Nirvana in 1993 absolutely loathing that label and instead raving about old punk, Devo and Gang Of Four all the time. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Nirvana all get tagged with the Grunge thing and I don't think Nirvana sounds like either of them at all.
Labels are labels and I know that all of the bands today called "New New Wave" or, on this board anyway, "Next Wave" hate that classification...and with good reason, The Killers sound nothing like Bloc Party.
Makes me wonder: How could New Wave die when there's about 30 or so bands lumped in as NW acts that everyone here could name instantly but sound nothing alike? I think it's best to view these things as various "waves" of underground music (going all the way to back to Elvis and Little Richard if you like) which capture the imaginations of fans looking for something different, inevitably get popular, get labeled and marketed, the general public gets sick of them, the popularity subsides and then resurface with new blood and new faces.
Holy crap Batman! That's the history of Rock-n-Roll!
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| fanciz |
Posted - 11/30/2005 : 13:27:37
Hum, it's getting hot here! Well let's say that New Wave includes a large variety of genres, from the gentle sound of The Wild Swans and Colourfield to the more energetic beat of the Sisters Of Mercy and X'Mal Deutschland. However all those bands have something in common, a sound which is fresh, different and basically non commercial and which is as recognizable for a newwaver as the trunk in an elephant's head. Some bands are considered pure new wave like Joy Division and some are on the fringe, flirting with Pop music. For this reason, it's not unusual for a new waver to adopt only one album of even only one song of a given group. In the case of Johnny Hates Jazz, I don't like particularly the band but I have adopted Shattered Dreams which I also find decent eheheh |
| Randall Roq |
Posted - 11/26/2005 : 14:43:22
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Originally posted by st arry
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Originally posted by SwampThing
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...For every decent song like Shattered Dreams..
I have just one thing to say: "WTF"?
I bet you like it really. Very catchy motif runs through it, good confident vocal, punchy chorus, nice harmonic change at 'I thought it was you', and nice falsetto lift at the end of the chorus. Probably the only decent single they did, but well constructed song in an effective production. Didn't actually know it at the time - as I said I'd gone off pop music, but it's not bad. Worth hearing now and again.
I just noticed this post.
Sometimes I don't know if you are serious or not! You said before a video like Sledgehammer is overrated and then on this post you're praising a piece of crap like Shattered Dreams?!? Dude what is up with you?!
I listen to a lot of garbage but even I could never defend this tripe nor would I want to.
"Very catchy motif..." you can't be serious?! It was one of the worst pieces of dreck to float down the river since the Worst Dreck Down The River Competition. How the holy hell can you defend a piece of shit like that. Johnny Hates Jazz, Breakfast Club and the like were as far as I'm concerned the final nail in the New Wave coffin.
If you're trying to get a rise out of me, it worked.
Is it easy typing with a straitjacket on? |
| djcraig |
Posted - 11/25/2005 : 19:13:35
It was August 2, 1986. The date Poison released "Look What the Cat Dragged In".
When Hair Metal songs like "Talk Dirty To Me" started getting mass airplay, the death of New Wave was imminent. |
| LovePlusOne |
Posted - 11/25/2005 : 08:56:12
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Originally posted by Randall Roq
...KROQ itself was relying way too much on format and the ratings soared. And I who had listened to nothing else for the last 5 years suddenly found myself stuck with DJ's I couldn't stand (Blade, Egil etc)...
Haha that's funny, Randall. I've heard several who used to listen to KROQ back then all swear to a person that ole Dick Shepherd (a.k.a Richard Blade) brought that station down. Oh well, I guess all taste is subjective. I didn't mind the guy personally. Afterall, he created the show that to this day remains the one link to KROQ's past, the FLashback Lunch.
By the way, this whole thing about when New Wave died seems a bit elusive. Maybe it's the fact that it had such more influence on the general "pop" sound than it's progenitors punk and postpunk (then again, don't a lot of people consider that stuff New Wave as well?! I'm cofused). I would say a big shift came in the mid 80s when groups like R.E.M. and The Smiths, completely bereft of keyboards, were more prominently played in the college and so-called alternative market.
But that's just one person's opinion
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| SuNomi |
Posted - 11/24/2005 : 12:50:25
1984 marked the year when a whole group of influential punk/new wave bands broke up or lost founding members which affected negatively on their careers (the Police, the Clash, Gang of Four, Split Enz, Squeeze, Bauhaus, The Jam, The Specials, The English Beat,
Wall of Voodoo, Blondie). Add to that, by 1985 (with MTV and John Hughes clearly leading the way) what were once great bands were churning out records of astonishingly bland commercial tripe: The Psychedelic Furs "Heartbreak Beat", Oingo Boingo's "Wierd Science",
everything Simple Mind's did after Sparkle in the Rain. I think 1985
was the true death rattle of the creative potential that was New Wave. Don't get me wrong, there were some flashes of promise out there. Bands who fell under the radar and were lumped under the more edgy sounding "Alternative" label. But the movement as a whole was over
Thankfully, the ones who managed to stay the course during those superficial years went on to enjoy long and respectable careers (U2, Pretenders, Elvis Costello & the Cure) practically saving the genre from being a mere footnote in music history.
Had MTV not been the cultural leviathan it was, it would've been interesting to see how some of these bands would've progressed.
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| djcraig |
Posted - 11/02/2005 : 10:21:44
New Wave died when "Hair Metal" killed it. Thank God Nirvana put those aqua net covered, spandex wearing freaks out of their misery! |
| st arry |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 15:45:31
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Originally posted by SwampThing
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...For every decent song like Shattered Dreams..
I have just one thing to say: "WTF"?
I bet you like it really. Very catchy motif runs through it, good confident vocal, punchy chorus, nice harmonic change at 'I thought it was you', and nice falsetto lift at the end of the chorus. Probably the only decent single they did, but well constructed song in an effective production. Didn't actually know it at the time - as I said I'd gone off pop music, but it's not bad. Worth hearing now and again. |
| SwampThing |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 10:30:17
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...For every decent song like Shattered Dreams..
I have just one thing to say: "WTF"?
This quote belongs in the "Guilty Pleasures" thread. |
| st arry |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 10:08:39
I agree with those who say that the 80s musical style continued through the second half of the decade. BTW I prefer 70s as 71 - 80 and 80s as 81 t0 90, stylistically I think it works better. But the 80s does divide in two and it annoys me when you look at books that suggest it's just one continuous level of importance. There were some later 80s style songs that were worthy of the early classic period, but they weren't that many (at least looking specifically at Britain or America). For every decent song like Shattered Dreams, Surrender or Mary's Prayer there were lots of lesser stuff like Bros or Kylie Minogue. I suspect the number of records released in Britain may have declined alot as well? Dance music in Britain was no longer about the disco influenced New Wave but was more about the new unmelodic and machinelike house music. So while New Wave didn't end immediately there was a decline. |
| st arry |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 09:04:24
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Originally posted by General Boy
The sounds were going more mainstream, the technology was become more digital and less warm and personal. Additionally, by '83, many of new wave's most prominent artists had already started genre hopping. By '83-'84, new wave as we knew it had splintered off into different directions and subgenres. It just felt and sounded different.
In my opinion, when artists like Bruce Springsteen started to do dance music and use synths prominently, in an effort to fit in, that was pretty much the end.
But pop music is all about genre hopping mixing styles, not about the genre ghettos of other types of music. And when everyone is adapting to the sound it's at its peak. The technology did change in 85 there is a noticeable change in sound to me, maybe a new kind of synth? But really it's more about new emerging genres like house, boy bands like Bros, manufactured candy pop like Kylie Minogue. None of that is about technology it's just about a different kind of music at a lower creative level. |
| st arry |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 08:38:18
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Originally posted by Randall Roq
1982
The beginning of the end. That's when Human League hit with Don't You Want Me? Suddenly every top 40 station was playing "New Wave". KROQ which used to be years ahead of everyone was simply weeks ahead.
KROQ itself was relying way too much on format and the ratings soared. And I who had listened to nothing else for the last 5 years suddenly found myself stuck with DJ's I couldn't stand (Blade, Egil etc).
Everything up until 1982 sounded like nothing that had come before. Most of what came after 82 was an sounded like an attempt to cash in.
It didn't die in '82 but the writing was on the wall. Everyone was crashing the party.
If good music is successful in the charts I think it's a good thing - unless it encouraged bigger labels to buy up the smaller ones and to make everything ultra conservative. But 83 and 84 certainly had alot of good chart music which enabled a wide audience to appreciate the music not just in Britian but around the world. Much better that than records becoming ultra rare collectables that nobody ever heard at the time. I think in the short term the large record sales had an encouraging effect for more creativity. It was only when the hard nosed business people moved in who only saw Pounds and Dollars that things turned bad. But by then maybe the creative period had run its course anyway? By saying everyone was 'crashing in on the party' you remind me of American disco and how by 79 everyone was doing it. I think that fuelled a great final period of creativity for disco than destroyed it. Same really for British New Wave. |
| st arry |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 08:23:09
For me during 1985 I started to get disillusioned. Didn't start too badly, but by mid year and the second half British music (which was the New Wave I knew at the time) had changed forever. I don't know if it was the smaller labels being eaten up by bigger ones or whether the creative period had simply just run its course. But in my opinion Duran Duran didn't do a good record after A View To A Kill, neither did Frankie Goes To Hollywood after Welcome To The Pleasuredome or George Michael after Freedom. Yes that's right...I'm concentrating on the charts.  They are the ultimate barometer of what's happening on the music scene - of the general creativity of the moment and what the stations are playing. Look at the charts in Britain in the second half of 85 onwards - how many number ones are just sappy factory pop, unmelodic dance or just novelty records?
1984 was a great year (in Britain anyway, American pop I think was better late 70s to about 1980 British music took over after that). After British music declined by the second half of 85 I think the Italian scene took over - doing good music in 86 and 87 as well as 84 / 85). After that I'm not sure there was much good music anywhere. During 85 I stopped listening to pop music and went onto classical music till the mid 90s when I looked started to look at classic albums of the past. I've never bothered much with 90s music. |
| Randall Roq |
Posted - 10/26/2005 : 15:41:32
1982
The beginning of the end. That's when Human League hit with Don't You Want Me? Suddenly every top 40 station was playing "New Wave". KROQ which used to be years ahead of everyone was simply weeks ahead.
KROQ itself was relying way too much on format and the ratings soared. And I who had listened to nothing else for the last 5 years suddenly found myself stuck with DJ's I couldn't stand (Blade, Egil etc).
Everything up until 1982 sounded like nothing that had come before. Most of what came after 82 was an sounded like an attempt to cash in.
It didn't die in '82 but the writing was on the wall. Everyone was crashing the party.
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| hubcity |
Posted - 10/25/2005 : 08:15:30
Folks,
It seems to me there's always a bunch of garages where unknown and unheralded geniuses are doing interesting things. John Peel managed to consistently feature them on his show from 1967 until last year, and the BBC seems determined to carry on his legacy.
A new wave will always occur when it becomes necessary to combat bloated and/or hollowly insincere genres, and it's the geniuses in the garages that make it happen.
There was a perfect storm in the late seventies and early eighties, when the charts were clogged with classic/southern rock (there's the bloat) and disco (there's the insincerity.)
Now we've got bloated "alternative" and insincere pop (music whose sole purpose is to ape other things that have done well on the charts.)
A perfect storm's a-brewin'.
-Sean
Altrok Radio at http://www.altrokradio.com
Playing When Posted: Bauhaus, "Spirit" |
| zill |
Posted - 10/24/2005 : 23:17:41
I think video killed the new wave star, with Duran Duran leading the way. A slew of Brit bands broke state-side in 1982 with an incredible number of great songs. Whether it was the music itself or the stylish videos that accompanied them, the mainstream bought it hook, line and sinker. Thrust into the commercial limelight, the music ceased being new or innovative as bands struggled to sustain their initial success. Follow-up efforts by a lot of these bands were hugely disappointing, for example:
ABC – apparently the near perfect Lexicon of Love was the only thing easy as 123
China Crisis – a long time between albums and then Flaunt the Imperfection…they certainly did
Culture Club – should have been named for the track It’s A Miracle, as it was a miracle anyone bought this record
Duran Duran – my theory is that after two stylish records, the guys played a lot of Dungeons and Dragons, resulting in Seven and the Ragged Tiger
Thompson Twins – from Quickstep to two-step with Into the Crap…Gap I mean
Unfortunately, the videos promoted a look and feel that others tried to imitate, that these bands tried to imitate themselves. This was the beginning of the end. Commercial expectations quashed experimentation and the era came to an end.
After building excitement since 1977, new wave climaxed in 1982. It basked in the after-glow in 1983. Smoked a cigarette in 1984. In 1985 it was trying to sleep if not for that annoying wet spot. In the late 80’s there was a brief resurgence but it was never as good or memorable as the first time around.
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| MonkeyTrousers |
Posted - 09/12/2005 : 18:38:30
If you define New Wave as a SOUND - which seems pretty dire considering the diversity of "new wave" bands (i.e. The Suburbs do not sound like Bush Tetras as The Police do not sound like Television as The B-52's do not sound like XTC etc) as opposed to an ERA - which it WAS (1977 - 1983 ish - how long can a wave be before it's no longer "new"?) then I have no idea WHAT a defining sonic characteristic of "new wave" would be. Considering all it was was a new wave of bands/artists in the second half of the 70's that broke away from the more bloated conventional fare of the day (i.e. Led Zepplin, B.T.O., The Eagles) and was a return to a more stripped down pop song format. Which may or may not be in thanks to power pop bands like the raspberries, big star and badfinger. If you remember correctly so was punk ala New York Dolls, The Stooges and a lot of "Glam Rock" like T.REX. Like everything else that was once fresh and new it became tired, trite, homogenized and familiar sounding to say the least (read Berlin, Naked Eyes and The Blow Monkeys). It became (dare I generalize) ordinary POP music, which maybe it always was I suppose just wearing more exciting "clothes" for want of a better analogy. When I hear bands like Blur, Pulp and Hot Hot Heat I hear bands influenced by the New Wave Era - not the new wave sound (which of course would be a tad vague).
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| Nakedprey |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 18:05:05
I probably can't give a concise and coherent answer to this since I barely paid any attention to music during the 80s. I didn't catch up on 80s music (which I now love) until the mid 90s really - when I was sick to fucking death of the state of alternative radio.
I was big into music when I was 7, until my parents became Christians in 1981, and I started to feel alienated by all the "sinful" music that existed. It happened around the time that MTV was introduced to the world and it seemed all I could see were these "weird" acts like Devo, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, and then the more trendy sounds of the Go-Gos, Corey Hart, Laura Branigan, etc. (Again, I'm speaking from the point of view of an 8 year old kid) Up until about 1986, I used to hear the terms "new waver" and "headbanger" thrown around a lot in a trendy way and I don't remember having a clear idea of what either term meant (I just thought new waver sounded cooler). I remember towards the late 80s, I heard a lot about Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Prince, Bon Jovi, Michael Jackson. And those artists seemed dramatically different from the other artists I mentioned earlier. Anyways, it wasn't until 1990, when I turned 15 that I got back into music again. It started with bland CCMers like Michael W Smith and Petra. Then I discovered Depeche Mode, U2, Neworder, INXS and Erasure and it all went from there. I remember when I was listening to those artists during that period, it seemed that Bell Biv Devoe, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Warrant, Poison, Dee-Lite and that ilk were big. Occasionally I'd hear the other 80s alternative/new wave based bands I just listed. But as I look back, it seemed new wave as a trend definitely disappeared by 1990, even though sparse new wave based electronic acts like Machine in Motion, Cause and Effect, and The Hunger would have semi-hits on the radio.
Time was on my side for so long, 'til it said "so long" to me. |
| Nakedprey |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 17:39:47
quote:
Originally posted by korova1
Please put on "Lightning Hopkins" or "Fireplace" on Side 2 of "Document" and tell me that album is rock solid!!!
haha "Fireplace" was actually one of like 3 songs I liked from that album.
Time was on my side for so long, 'til it said "so long" to me. |
| troy08 |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 07:41:20
I always think of New Wave as evolving through the course of the 80's. Nothing compared to 1980-1985, but that later half of the 80's still put out some great music. Looking back, it all seemed to die January 1, 1990
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| knowitallrecs |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 21:51:36
quote:
Originally posted by JohnPaulGeorgeRingo
quote:
Originally posted by knowitallrecs
quote:
Originally posted by dearly beloved
quote:
Originally posted by knowitallrecs
New Wave never died; it simply evolved.
To say that it perished only gives validity to the claims of its critics, who falsely claimed that the genre had no longevity. I refuse to give them the satisfaction or bookmark the style's lifespan between the good and bad years of my life or when a particular "sound" from its variety of flavors disappeared from radio or MTV. New Wave icons such as Echo & the Bunnymen, Depeche Mode, Erasure, the Cure, Simple Minds, the Lotus Eaters, the Church, Lloyd Cole, the Ocean Blue, among numerous others, continued to release albums after any so-called expiration date. Furthermore, young groups like Mono In VCF, Rialto, Franz Ferdinand, Bloc Party, the Pin-Up Girls,
Kaiser Chiefs, and the Killers can be played alongside "Rock of the '80s" and fool numerous people who didn't know they were new acts. (And it does work, too.)
New Wave, like heavy metal and hip-hop, simply absorbed more textures as the years progressed, adopting the latest technology, instrumentation, and recording techniques.
Dead? Only in the minds of people who refuse to accept change.
Dead? Only in the minds of critics who hated it in the first place.
Dead? Only in the minds of record companies who never understood it and wanted the country to move on.
New Wave is alive and well.
Michael Sutton
Staff Writer: The All-Music Guide
I can appreciate the tenets you employ in defense of the music we all love, knowitallrecs.
You're right that New Wave can never die in that there are forums like the NWOutpost and scads of young bands that (for the most part) adequately ape the genre. But yeah, the New Wave most of us knew some 20 odd years ago is dead. Not because it's a facet of modern music that had no depth, longevity or viability, but rather because all those original ideas and inspirations could only have happened at that time, demanding relevance, defining a generation as a reaction to things concurrent to that day.
Just as England's Punk movement was a reaction to stodgy old rock dinosaurs, or as grunge was a reaction to hair metal pretense.
As it's harshest critics blasted it as pre-packaged non-music, the joke was on them. New Wave could only have happened at the time that it did. It smeared lipstick on the dour countenenace of Post-Punk. It mirrored early eighties world excess and spat it right back in our faces. We loved NW for it....and still do.
Long live New Wave.
But wasn't the whole point of New Wave was to be progressive? To say that the genre only existed within a period of time, to me, goes against the genre's original purpose - to look into the future instead of being shackled by the past. It was supposed to evolve and not remain the same. Of course, New Wave in 2005 is not going to sound like New Wave in 1980. Your argument is well articulated, but I refuse to believe that New Wave could've only happened during a specific period. History repeats itself, socially and politically, and youths have an inherent need to rebel and discover their own individuality. Franz Ferdinand, the Pin-Up Girls, and Bloc Party are providing the same "fuck you" statements to rap-metal and corporate slush that Depeche Mode, Echo & the Bunnymen, and the Cure did in the '80s. You can look at New Wave as a cultural phenomenon that lasted from the late '70s to the early '80s, but there's dramatic stylistic growth in those years, too. The New Wave of 1977 was radically different from the New Wave of 1982. Shouldn't the New Wave of 1982 not be called New Wave then since it wasn't the same as the New Wave of 1977, which was more punk and certainly nowhere near as synth-based? If you look at it objectively instead of, "Oh, it ended in 1983 because I didn't like how it sounded anymore," you will see that the evolution of the genre had been in place the whole time and continued to the present time. To me, New Wave is an artform and not an artifact. I find it ironic that many people consider the lifespan of New Wave defined by the years of its most commercial success, the very thing that the genre was supposed to be against. (In the Philippines, New Wave didn't fade in popularity until 1991 when grunge and finally metal invaded. We never understood why American radio was hardly playing it anymore by the mid-'80s when we had three New Wave radio stations to choose from.) If New Wave was supposed to be an underground movement, then how did it die if it merely crawled back beyond mainstream consciousness?
Michael Sutton
Staff Writer: The All-Music Guide
I can relate. I'm from the Philippines.
We have here two new wave radio stations (WXB and Power Station).
Real New Wavers here are the only ones who know real "New Wave Music".
Argueably, these are the top 10 New Wave artists here, not in order (not mine, hehe).
U2, Tears For Fears, Echo & The Bunnymen, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Morrissey and The Smiths, OMD and Fra Lippo Lippi (does any of you know them?). I think they are more popular here than in their native Norway.
We all enjoyed Shout (TFF 84), Everything Counts (DM 84), Gold (SB 83), Everytime I See You (FLL 85),Two Rivers (The Adventures 86), West End Girls (PSB 85), If You Leave (OMD 85), etc. And we're just getting started.
Later, the 2 stations was off the air, a new "New Wave" station (NU) appeared. It concentrated on New Wave too like The One I Love (REM 87), It's A Sin (PSB 87), Need You Tonight (Inxs 88), Shattered Dreams (Johnny Hates Jazz 88), Bizarre Love Triangle (New Order 87) and The Promise (When In Rome 88).
That was the last set of GOOF New Wave songs here. I know there are other songs, but I don't know how and why I changed or evolved into another music genre which is alternative and heavy metal.
And I agree, it was '91 was the end of it mainly because of lack of good New Wave Songs.
Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.
Yup, and we heard a lot of incredible New Wave music on the radio in the Philippines. I'd like to add the Railway Children, the Chameleons, Xmal Deutschland, Two Minds Crack, the Nobodys, the Go-Betweens, the Wild Swans, the Lotus Eaters, Tuesday Blue, the list goes on & on.
"We'll be as we are
When all the fools who doubt us fade away"
- The Icicle Works |
| Quite Life |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 20:20:03
Officailly it was June 22, 1985 the day the QUAKE KQAK FM 99 went off the air |
| JohnPaulGeorgeRingo |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 18:47:03
quote:
Originally posted by Dan Coogan
In my heart and mind, New Wave lives on forever!
...I imagine it is much the same for all of us.
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"Photography with a Vision"
http://www.cooganphoto.com
very very good!!!
Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars. |
| Panorama |
Posted - 09/03/2005 : 22:16:06
In my heart and mind, New Wave lives on forever!
...I imagine it is much the same for all of us.
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"Photography with a Vision"
http://www.cooganphoto.com |
| react010 |
Posted - 09/03/2005 : 22:04:01
Maybe we should all first think about what New-Wave really was (or is?) before we can answer this 'difficult' question as when it supposed to have 'died'?.
First of all, i think everyone has his or her own definition of what New-Wave is or was (as i see people on this forum mentioning artists and tracks that 'for me' don't have anything to do with New-Wave whatsoever). So it's very personal really.
For one person it's the artists who started out as NW artists (and have been associated with NW ever since (even if they changed there musical style).
For another it's how long they held on to being able to release records (regardless of the musical style, some up until this very day).
For another it's a beat or the use of synths in a certain way (regardless of the artist or track).
And for another NW is based on their chart-succes (and not even thinking about the differences between the European & Usa charts, as those differences where huge !!).
It's great to read on this forum what people's definitions of New-Wave (artists or tracks) are (or were) and when they think it died.
But in the end it's a question that cannot be answered really...
This topic is a very subjective topic, and that's what makes it fun to read in the end, but a definite answer cannot be given, never !!
Thank god
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| General Boy |
Posted - 09/03/2005 : 17:09:03
quote:
Originally posted by Blir
I bet a lotta people are with ya General. But I guess some of us are making the Billy Crystal distinction between mostly dead and dead. And my Max's Kansas City LP distinctly says "new wave" on the cover in 1976.
There we go!
I was gonna stretch it to '76, as a matter of fact, but didn't quite have the evidence to support that.
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| Frau_Blucher |
Posted - 09/03/2005 : 17:07:31
I bet a lotta people are with ya General. But I guess some of us are making the Billy Crystal distinction between mostly dead and dead. And my Max's Kansas City LP distinctly says "new wave" on the cover in 1976. |
| General Boy |
Posted - 09/03/2005 : 16:56:15
I'm actually somewhat surprised that most folks here regard new wave as having extended into the late '80s. I think people make a great case for 1985, or even 1984, but I tend to think of it ending even earlier than that. For some reason, I always see '83 as the true final year of new wave. The sounds were going more mainstream, the technology was become more digital and less warm and personal. Additionally, by '83, many of new wave's most prominent artists had already started genre hopping. And that's also when college alternative rock was starting to emerge, which was a different beast. By '83-'84, new wave as we knew it had splintered off into different directions and subgenres. It just felt and sounded different.
In my opinion, when artists like Bruce Springsteen started to do dance music and use synths prominently, in an effort to fit in, that was pretty much the end.
Oh, and as for the beginning of the movement...I'd argue it goes back further than '78. To the best of my knowledge, artists on Stiff Records were being branded as new wave as early on as '77.
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| kola |
Posted - 09/02/2005 : 05:36:54
...that's basically the story of 80's music in a nutshell, as far as i was concerned, esp: the jesus and marychain/sonic youth/VU. that's when i started listening to a lot of darker sounds, totally at odds with what i'd been into before.
i blame "another view" - a velvet underground album of rarities that came out around then, it was such a good record, it blew a lot of synth stuff away.
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| JohnPaulGeorgeRingo |
Posted - 09/01/2005 : 20:42:23
quote:
Originally posted by knowitallrecs
quote:
Originally posted by dearly beloved
quote:
Originally posted by knowitallrecs
New Wave never died; it simply evolved.
To say that it perished only gives validity to the claims of its critics, who falsely claimed that the genre had no longevity. I refuse to give them the satisfaction or bookmark the style's lifespan between the good and bad years of my life or when a particular "sound" from its variety of flavors disappeared from radio or MTV. New Wave icons such as Echo & the Bunnymen, Depeche Mode, Erasure, the Cure, Simple Minds, the Lotus Eaters, the Church, Lloyd Cole, the Ocean Blue, among numerous others, continued to release albums after any so-called expiration date. Furthermore, young groups like Mono In VCF, Rialto, Franz Ferdinand, Bloc Party, the Pin-Up Girls,
Kaiser Chiefs, and the Killers can be played alongside "Rock of the '80s" and fool numerous people who didn't know they were new acts. (And it does work, too.)
New Wave, like heavy metal and hip-hop, simply absorbed more textures as the years progressed, adopting the latest technology, instrumentation, and recording techniques.
Dead? Only in the minds of people who refuse to accept change.
Dead? Only in the minds of critics who hated it in the first place.
Dead? Only in the minds of record companies who never understood it and wanted the country to move on.
New Wave is alive and well.
Michael Sutton
Staff Writer: The All-Music Guide
I can appreciate the tenets you employ in defense of the music we all love, knowitallrecs.
You're right that New Wave can never die in that there are forums like the NWOutpost and scads of young bands that (for the most part) adequately ape the genre. But yeah, the New Wave most of us knew some 20 odd years ago is dead. Not because it's a facet of modern music that had no depth, longevity or viability, but rather because all those original ideas and inspirations could only have happened at that time, demanding relevance, defining a generation as a reaction to things concurrent to that day.
Just as England's Punk movement was a reaction to stodgy old rock dinosaurs, or as grunge was a reaction to hair metal pretense.
As it's harshest critics blasted it as pre-packaged non-music, the joke was on them. New Wave could only have happened at the time that it did. It smeared lipstick on the dour countenenace of Post-Punk. It mirrored early eighties world excess and spat it right back in our faces. We loved NW for it....and still do.
Long live New Wave.
But wasn't the whole point of New Wave was to be progressive? To say that the genre only existed within a period of time, to me, goes against the genre's original purpose - to look into the future instead of being shackled by the past. It was supposed to evolve and not remain the same. Of course, New Wave in 2005 is not going to sound like New Wave in 1980. Your argument is well articulated, but I refuse to believe that New Wave could've only happened during a specific period. History repeats itself, socially and politically, and youths have an inherent need to rebel and discover their own individuality. Franz Ferdinand, the Pin-Up Girls, and Bloc Party are providing the same "fuck you" statements to rap-metal and corporate slush that Depeche Mode, Echo & the Bunnymen, and the Cure did in the '80s. You can look at New Wave as a cultural phenomenon that lasted from the late '70s to the early '80s, but there's dramatic stylistic growth in those years, too. The New Wave of 1977 was radically different from the New Wave of 1982. Shouldn't the New Wave of 1982 not be called New Wave then since it wasn't the same as the New Wave of 1977, which was more punk and certainly nowhere near as synth-based? If you look at it objectively instead of, "Oh, it ended in 1983 because I didn't like how it sounded anymore," you will see that the evolution of the genre had been in place the whole time and continued to the present time. To me, New Wave is an artform and not an artifact. I find it ironic that many people consider the lifespan of New Wave defined by the years of its most commercial success, the very thing that the genre was supposed to be against. (In the Philippines, New Wave didn't fade in popularity until 1991 when grunge and finally metal invaded. We never understood why American radio was hardly playing it anymore by the mid-'80s when we had three New Wave radio stations to choose from.) If New Wave was supposed to be an underground movement, then how did it die if it merely crawled back beyond mainstream consciousness?
Michael Sutton
Staff Writer: The All-Music Guide
I can relate. I'm from the Philippines.
We have here two new wave radio stations (WXB and Power Station).
Real New Wavers here are the only ones who know real "New Wave Music".
Argueably, these are the top 10 New Wave artists here, not in order (not mine, hehe).
U2, Tears For Fears, Echo & The Bunnymen, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Morrissey and The Smiths, OMD and Fra Lippo Lippi (does any of you know them?). I think they are more popular here than in their native Norway.
We all enjoyed Shout (TFF 84), Everything Counts (DM 84), Gold (SB 83), Everytime I See You (FLL 85),Two Rivers (The Adventures 86), West End Girls (PSB 85), If You Leave (OMD 85), etc. And we're just getting started.
Later, the 2 stations was off the air, a new "New Wave" station (NU) appeared. It concentrated on New Wave too like The One I Love (REM 87), It's A Sin (PSB 87), Need You Tonight (Inxs 88), Shattered Dreams (Johnny Hates Jazz 88), Bizarre Love Triangle (New Order 87) and The Promise (When In Rome 88).
That was the last set of GOOF New Wave songs here. I know there are other songs, but I don't know how and why I changed or evolved into another music genre which is alternative and heavy metal.
And I agree, it was '91 was the end of it mainly because of lack of good New Wave Songs.
Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars. |
| guyinsf |
Posted - 08/11/2005 : 09:58:41
I think NW was on the decline when all the headbanging heavy metal hair bands began to dominate MTV around 1986, with Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Guns and Roses, Poison, etc. Some of these hair bands were good, most were a total joke like Poison. |
| popreactor |
Posted - 08/09/2005 : 12:55:59
When U2,REM,INXS were established as mainstream artist. Mid 80's.
One of the last new wave songs for me was "Voyage Voyage" by Desireless |
| golfer |
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 02:28:09
I was thinking that maybe I had forgotten something with these mentions of Gino Vanelli.downloaded some listened to it....I remember it now.......UTTER CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| tastyorange |
Posted - 08/03/2005 : 22:21:33
New Wave to me was from the end of 1978 (Video Killed the Radio Star) till about 1985 (Burning Flame)...there was some good stuff until the late 80's but it wasn't really New Wave anymore.
New Wave is oh so hard to describe. |
| newwavepopman |
Posted - 07/11/2005 : 00:11:11
The last of the great New Wavers to me and don't forget any of these as they continued doing stuff in the early 90's were the following.
Stan Ridgeway(His solo material really didn't start to change until after his album Partyball,not counting the greatest hits collection after Partyball.Songs such as I Wanna Be A Boss,The Gumbo Man,all retained that Wall Of Voodoo New Wave sound from years gone by and this was in 1991.Even on his Mosquitos album from 1989 Stan was still going at it,with songs like Goin' Southbound,Calling Out TO Carol(A personal favorite of mine by Stan)but by Black Diamond his style went in a whole new different direction with more of a Folk and Jazz style,but then in 2002 he came back and went back to his New Wave roots with another great album in Holiday In Dirt.
The Katydids-Most don't even remember this group today,let alone back in 1990,which was when their first album was released and produced by Nick Lowe and what a great album this was.They had that Bangles sound down pat.Although they recorded a second album in 1991 it just wasn't as good as their first album.But it was good enough that I still enjoyed it.
Another great Bangles sounding New Wave group that continued for awhile into the early 90's and continued with the same style that they were always known for was the band Voice Of The Beehive.Too bad they broke up right after their 3rd CD though.Although the 3rd one was their weakest one.Their second album moves even more than their first,well for me it does anyway.Their first album came out around 1988 with I Walk The Earth and I Say Nothing.
Don't get me wrong I love the first one too,but the second album was still even stronger and the material was even better.
They Might Be Giants-The first album I really discovered by them was their Flood album from 1990,but then I went back on all of their previous albums,and found that I missed alot of great albums that I hadn't discovered until I bought Flood.
When In Rome-Nobody can really say that their hit The Promise wasn't a New Wave song,and this was still in the late 80's mind you.
If I think long and hard I probably can come up with some more good artists from the late 80's and early 90's that was still making New Wave music.Here are some more off the top of my head.
Underworld-Late 88 to 89 their first two Sire albums were New Wave,and I just love their song Stand Up.
Fine Young Cannibals-Their second album with She Drives Me Crazy from 89 is still considered to be a real New Wave classic by many.
Screaming Blue Messiahs carried on tradition with I Wannna Be A Flintstone back in 1987 or so.
Peter Schilling was still going at it in 89 with what I call my favorite hit of his with his great World Of Lust And Crime.
Royal Crescent Mob in 89 were rolling aloing with Spin The World and their great video from that album Na Na Na Na Na Na.
That is my take on everything thanks. |
| newwavepopman |
Posted - 07/10/2005 : 23:30:09
I voted on the year 1991 because right after 1991 MTV stopped showing music videos by artists that were still recording New Wave music,and also because that was the year that most radio stations that had a 24 hour New Wave format such as WLIR-WDRE completely changed their format to what I call the worst piece of music in the history of rock and roll,that being Grunge and Alternative.Right before 1992 ended,I stopped hearing alot of synthpop and started hearing more and more of those noise Grunge and Alternative acts on the radio like Nirvana,and whoever else was starting to make an impact back at that time.
After then music was just never the same again. |
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