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randy
Room at the Top
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 Posted - 03/23/2005 : 21:04:16
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Anyone else find these to be a pain in the ass??? Hidden lp tracks were fine, even three sided lps-but hidden cd tracks suck! If your gonna give me 5 minutes of silence between songs , just give me another 5 minute song!! Really stinks if you want to add one of those songs to a comp cd too!
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KYYX4ever
Room at the Top
4614 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 21:29:28
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| three sided lps ? |
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Hondo
Personal Jesus
USA
148 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 21:31:36
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Forget it, he's on a roll.  |
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randy
Room at the Top
2409 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 21:34:48
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| Monty Python---Matching Tie And Handkerchief. (3 sided lp ) |
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medication881
Room at the Top
USA
682 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 22:53:35
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Dare I say.....
Genesis - Three Sides Live?
...sorry Randy  |
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oneno
Room at the Top
USA
1704 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 04:33:10
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| I hate hidden tracks just for the sam reason, such a waste. after all is it hidden when it's listed as "extra track". And a three sided lp is dual cut tracks. depending on where you set the needle down at you could listen to one set of tracks (B) or completely different set (C). |
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KYYX4ever
Room at the Top
4614 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 09:23:44
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ohhhh, OK. Thanks. Now I get it. I remember hearing about those.
What about the concept of Easter Eggs on CDs? I am aware they exist for DVDs, but are there any music CDs that have Eggs ? What is the feasibility of that, is it possible ? (and most of all, why?? |
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MikeP
President Am I
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2005 : 09:51:25
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Yeah, it amazes me how many new releases HAVE TO feature hidden bonus tracks. The weirdest ones are the hidden tracks that are placed before track 1 -- you actually have to start playing track 1 then "rewind" past track 1 to the beginning of the hidden track! I encountered an album by The Album Leaf which features a hidden bonus track that is set at a volume level that is almost imperceptible. I had to boost the volume waaaaay up to make it listenable. And how 'bout those multiple hidden tracks all placed on a single track!
When I rip CDs with bonus tracks, I always save the bonus track separately, removing the silence in the process (Audiograbber is a handy free CD ripper that allows you to precisely rip the portions of audio you want). I even go so far as to hunt down the name of the bonus track on the internet. Yes, you could call me anal when it comes to my music!
As for easter eggs on CDs, hidden tracks and those interludes that you sometimes hear between tracks when the time is counting down to the next track are about the only easter egg-like features that can be encoded and still comply with the "red book audio" standard for CDs. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see new types of easter eggs crop up on the newer formats like Super Audio CD (SACD), DualDisc or DVD-Audio. |
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human clone
Room at the Top
Canada
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Posted - 03/24/2005 : 10:27:59
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| I not a fan of hidden tracks, often there is a reason why the track is hidden. It is not good enough to be on the album. My $0.02... |
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Natephish
The Jet Set
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 10:57:26
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| Three sided LP...? How does that work? |
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ekahob
Room at the Top
Vanuatu
618 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 11:40:33
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| And they suck in CD changers too. |
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oneno
Room at the Top
USA
1704 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 12:02:27
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More about 3 or four sided lp's. Typicaly when an album is cut , it's one continuous groove seperated into the various songs. A thress sided has 2 set of grooves running next to each other.One set of grooves would be one side and the other set would be the other side even though it's really on one side. The downside is narrower cut grooves that is more easily scratched andmakes each side shorter.Example: (From a google search)
Matching Tie and Handkerchief (Monty Python) - 3 Sided Album
Get the original LP "Matching Tie and Handkerchief" (Arista Records 1973).
Put it on side 2. Of course, since it's Python both sides are labled side 2 but one has the designation "SB".
Start the album, listen to the opening of the first skit.
Then, restart the album. You may have to lift and place the stylus a few times before you hit the parallel groove, but when you do you will a completely different track. This runs through the whole side.
I had this album for months before I heard the third side. I never could figure out why the second side seemed so much shorter than the first.
Fingerprince / Babyfingers
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Tourniquet of Roses
(1976)
Fingerprince started out as Tourniquet of Roses, which was to be the world's first three-sided album. This idea was abandoned due to the technical difficulties involved, and it's probably just as well: Monty Python had, in fact, beaten The Residents to the punch with their Matching Tie & Handkerchief.
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Grunch
Room at the Top
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Posted - 03/24/2005 : 13:43:47
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While not a 3-sided record, if you have an original James Gang - 'Yer Album, and an older record player that does not automatically lift the needle at the end of the record, there are two fun little surprises:
At the end of Side 1, a repeat groove keeps saying "Turn Me Over, Turn Me Over:
At the end of Side 2, again a repeated message "Play Me Again, Play Me Again"
These repeat forver unless you lift the needle off the record.
Also always thought some of the messages etched in the vinyl near the label was interesting to decipher.
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skinnytie
Room at the Top
USA
1043 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 18:37:30
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Funny this topic should come up, I was thinking how many hidden tracks are out there and was wondering if we put our heads together, we could actually compile a comprehensive list of songs that are getting by us. Here are some I have come across:
"The Street Parade" shows up as a hidden track at the end of the 3rd disc of "The Clash on Broadway" compilation.
There are 2 live Clash songs hidden at the end of the "Rockers Galore" promo CD by the Clash. The sound on them is terrible, though, and I can't identify one of the songs (from what I remember, I think the other is "White Man in Hammersmith Palais").
At the end of the remastered copy of "Talk Talk Talk" by the Psychedelic Furs, the hidden track is actually a medley of songs from the album that is referred to as the radio commerical, or something to that effect. It was originally presented as the playable part of the sleeve of the "Dumb Waiters" 7" UK single, so when I discovered this was actually on the CD, I was pleased, even though it's hidden.
At the end of the "Human Soul" CD by Graham Parker, there is a hidden track which is a 24 second reprise of the song "Everything Goes".
At the end of Disc Two of the "Everything!" compilation by Tones on Tail, there is a radio interview with Daniel Ash that sounded like it took place when the "Pop" album was first released.
Now on to something more recent: There is a hidden track at the end of "Midnite Vultures" by Beck, which is a short instrumental. It is so noisy and unmelodic, I wish I had left it hidden.  |
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2Nu
Room at the Top
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Posted - 03/25/2005 : 10:01:55
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Interesting topic
FYI: For anyone who shares a fascination with finding "Easter Eggs" - How Timely! Lots of neat things hidden all aver the place. Enough that we should have a cyber version of 'geocaching'
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middlesexnj
Room at the Top
Saint Helena
527 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2005 : 05:47:44
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On Bananarama's self-titled album, there was a track that was not listed. You could see it on the record, but there was no reference to it. It was only about a minute long, a nice track, sort of an instrumental but with the girls singing some background instead of melody.
When the CD came out, lo and behold it was a seperate track, and to be added to the list, since the tracks HAD to be numbered to match the readout (whereas on the vinyl it was just ignored in the numbering system). The song was referred to simply as "Link." Strange.
PS. This applies to what is printed on the CD itself. The printed CD pamphlet still ignore the bastard track, and the numbers there are therefore incorrect.
PPS This applies also only to the original version of the LP/CD, with the full length "Hotline to Heaven" and does not include "The Wild Life." I don't know if the "link" is on the alternate version of the LP or CD. |
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Hondo
Personal Jesus
USA
148 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2005 : 07:29:59
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Originally posted by MikeP
When I rip CDs with bonus tracks, I always save the bonus track separately, removing the silence in the process (Audiograbber is a handy free CD ripper that allows you to precisely rip the portions of audio you want). I even go so far as to hunt down the name of the bonus track on the internet. Yes, you could call me anal when it comes to my music!
Thanks for the tip. I guess I'm the same way when it comes to music. Unfortunately I'm not quite so detail oriented in real life. |
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jaybag
The Jet Set
288 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2005 : 10:25:24
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I agree with Randy, and I'm glad someone finally posted on this topic. Those "hidden mystery bonus tracks" are ridiculous. I think bands did it at first to be cool but now seemingly EVERY disc has an extra track on it. I don't know why I always smile whenever I see the last listed song end and then the disc stops (meaning I don't get any more music, which isn't necessarily good) but I guess it's just because a band decided to actually LIST the last song than include it as a "bonus" (and of course avoid the five minutes of silence in the middle).
The only bonus tracks I've ever heard that were worthwhile were on two albums by The Whitlams (from Australia). The albums ended with eight-minute collages of studio talk, answering machine messages, various other odds and ends. It was actually pretty interesting, and you could always stop the disc if you didn't feel like listening to it that day. |
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Surly
Room at the Top
USA
707 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2005 : 06:28:44
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The second CD by Better Than Ezra ("Friction, Baby") has a hidden track that is before track one. Just like the disc that Mike mentioned above, you have to start at track one and scan backwards to find it. It's sung in Spanish (I think) and is kind of funny. Also, at the end of Weird Al Yankovic's "Off The Deep End" album is a hidden track that mocks the hidden song "Endless Nameless" on Nirvana's "Nevermind."
There is a hidden track on the 1986 CD "Walkabout" by The Fixx called "Do What You Can." |
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