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bruiser
Room at the Top
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 Posted - 02/20/2012 : 13:13:23
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...over on the facebook.
apparently they are putting the "sex" release together, and want to put some of the most requested remaining rarities on it, theoretically. of course, that supposes there is room after the usual obscure "relax" 30 minute wankfest remixes are dug up...
i, of course, asked for movement 2 of WTWL.
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cispas
The Jet Set
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 03:45:41
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Hmmm... let's hope that they come up with something better than Volume 2 of The Art Of The 12" series. Apart from the Instinct 12", there's not much on that 2CD... 
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 05:57:47
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Originally posted by cispas
Hmmm... let's hope that they come up with something better than Volume 2 of The Art Of The 12" series. Apart from the Instinct 12", there's not much on that 2CD...
Yeah as well as claiming the version of Cry that's on there hasn't been on CD before which it has. |
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 08:30:07
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| And the 12" instrumental mix of Dr. Mabuse has been repeated twice. It was also on Volume 1. Who else noticed this ? |
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Jeffrey
The Jet Set
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 09:34:20
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I don't know why the label hasn't included any of the famous remix service versions of their catalog on compilations. I know that sometimes the services never asked permission in the first place, but I know some of them have and that is why these services are still in business. Razormaid! did an awesome mix for Frankie's "Warriors of the Wasteland" and Hot Tracks had incredible mixes of "Two Tribes" and "Welcome to the Pleasure Dome" done by the legendary Cameron Paul. This is what I'd be hoping for on the Frankie "Sex" compilation.
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Luke
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 14:49:13
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Originally posted by omar
And the 12" instrumental mix of Dr. Mabuse has been repeated twice. It was also on Volume 1. Who else noticed this ?
Which volume 1 do you mean exactly?
Art of the 12" volume 1, or the first disc of Art of the 12" volume 2? |
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 17:27:56
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| Wait. Maybe i got it wrong. |
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
1039 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2012 : 17:36:49
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| My fault . I know that it appeared some where recently. Cant exactly remember where? |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 01:45:56
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Originally posted by omar
My fault . I know that it appeared some where recently. Cant exactly remember where?
The only time that Dr. Mabuse (Special Instrumental Version) appeared on CD before, was on the German version of Zance. If you ask me.
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Magnum-Truth
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 02/26/2012 : 14:22:55
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Originally posted by Jeffrey
Hot Tracks had incredible mixes of "Two Tribes" and "Welcome to the Pleasure Dome" done by the legendary Cameron Paul. This is what I'd be hoping for on the Frankie "Sex" compilation.
Jeffrey
A little off topic, but maybe worth noting because it was mentioned in this thread and Frankie Goes To Hollywood fans tend to religiously check on this type of information. Cameron Paul did not remix any tracks by “Frankie Goes To Hollywood” for the Hot-Tracks remix service company. There is an error on a later released best of CD series from hot tracks that incorrectly credits him for doing one of the mixes mentioned above.
(1), Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Two Tribes (Hot-Tracks Version Re-Mix named the *Blitz Mix*)
Mix originates from = Hot Tracks Series 3, Issue 7 (1984)
Credited To: by Lester Temple, Zino & Steve Algozino
Never credited to: Cameron Paul on any original hot tracks issues or re-issues with regard to this mix.
(2), Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Welcome To The Pleasuredome (Hot-Tracks Version Re-Mix)
Mix Originates From = Hot Tracks Series 4, Issue 5 (1985)
Original Mix Credited To: Aron Siegel & Randy Dethman
(Aron “Bugsy” Siegel Hot Tracks bio from hotdiscomix link below) List of early mixes he did for Hot Tracks
*Incorrectly Credited to Cameron Paul on 1994 CD releases.
http://www.hotdiscomix.de/stars_clubs/djs/siegel_en.htm
Checking through Cameron Paul’s Mixx-It Label seems to indicate even further he may not have ever done “any” mixes of any songs by “Frankie Goes To Hollywood”.
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Jeffrey
The Jet Set
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Posted - 02/26/2012 : 18:11:16
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Magnum-Truth:
I really appreciate this correction. I apologize for, what I thought was done by Cameron Paul. I do have the best of CD that does list Mr. Paul as the mixer for "Welcome To The Pleasure Dome." I do apologize to all remixers for this blunder on my part.
Still, I would like ZTT records to potentially seek out and include these versions on the upcoming "Sex" compilation by FGTH. I sincerely hope this could be poosible as fans deserve to hear how Frankie has metamorphed through remixes released by remix services from the beginning.
In all honest sincerity,
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Magnum-Truth
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 02/26/2012 : 20:24:27
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Originally posted by Jeffrey
I really appreciate this correction. I apologize
Jeff, there is no reason for you to feel that have to apologize, it's a discussion forum too. If we did not share the "little bits and pieces" of knowledge that all of us have there would be no reason to be here.
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Luke
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 02/27/2012 : 14:10:27
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I can understand that ZTT needs help, after the debacle on Art of the 12" volume 2.
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crystal
The Jet Set
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 05:05:55
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maybe they should rather do a competition...: how many compilations can we still do of FGTH material that include 1 song / mix that so far isn't on cd so the fans will fork out the cash for that.
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schwenko
Room at the Top
USA
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 08:00:38
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Originally posted by Luke
I can understand that ZTT needs help, after the debacle on Art of the 12" volume 2.
what was that?
Sugoi !!! |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 08:14:49
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Andy
Running Up That Hill
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soundstory
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 06:31:02
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Originally posted by Andy
Not in connection with this thread strictly speaking but there's a 30 minute radio programme on the BBC iPlayer about The 12 Inch Single which some of you might find interesting. Link here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ckmgg/The_12_Inch_Single/
Dad, the dog's dead!
it's an excellent documentary, wish I could work out how to download it |
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Magnum-Truth
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 16:41:32
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@ Andy … Thank you a very worth while program. Excellent
@ Soundstory …. Here is the audio file from the documentary. Just for reference I edited out anything that did not have to do with the documentary / interview. (i.e.commercials or announcements) too shorten it a little.
http://www.zshare.net/download/992429378a05369e/
Pass = Radio-Documentary
Once again, not in connection with this thread.
This is an excellent overview of the evolution of the vinyl 12 inch single as a new format back in the 70’s & 80’s. The article touches on a lot of different subjects. As a working club dj back in those days when 12 inch singles first started to come out, I found the article to be very good, defiantly worth a listen. Maybe only a couple of things they left out from a club dj’s perspective, but also possibly worth mentioning. One would be that once club dj,s started getting these new 12 inch single as promotional items, almost all of us would play them in favor of albums, & especially over 7 inch singles, mostly because they were so much more easy to handle and cue up on the turntable. Seven inch singles were always a pain in the ass to use in a club because you would always need to use the 7-inch adapter sleeve and swap it back on forth, not to mention the adapters would always get lost. Sometimes, especially in the 70’s when these new 12 inch singles were first coming out and targeted as give-aways to club dj’s. Some songs would get more exposure in the clubs (even if it was not deserved) just because of what format it came on. There was always something special about playing a record that came with a label on it that stated, in bold print (NOT FOR SALE – FOR DJ USE ONLY).
Every once in a while “just because it was a 12 inch”, it would even help break out something new that might have gotten over looked, simply because we liked these 12 inch singles so much more than there seven inch cousins and played them more often giving them a little more exposure. Long before the record companies started trying to (widely) sell them commercially they knew the club dj’s loved them and it was a cheap way to get a song promoted by simply having a representative from the record company go to all the different night clubs (in person) and give them away to the dj’s, sometimes accompanied by less than legal other gift’s.(wink wink) to guarantee that it would get played that night. It was an easy way to by-pass the radio stations that for lack of a better term “dominated” what would and would not receive air time.
One thing they did not mention but still kind of a part of this vinyl formats history was, once the 12 single format became widely accepted, for “some dj’s” the “12 inch format” became a musical instrument in it’s own right, further increasing its popularity for a while especially if it came with instrumental & dub versions. With 2, copies and a good real to real tape deck and turntable skills, you could make your own version. Prior to this type of format, most dj’s would never even think of abusing a piece of vinyl by playing it over an over including, playing it backwards in certain places (scratching). Standard albums and 7- inch singles back in those days could not take the abuse, but these deep wide grooved 12 inch singles could. As club dj’s, that was one thing we really liked about 12 inch singles, they could really take a lot of abuse in a club environment. Albeit they mention in the article that the 12 inch format gave the producers in the studio’s a more creative platform to work with, when they started making more 12 inch singles that included different versions on the b-sides, it was the very humble beginnings of empowering the end user of the vinyl to become creative beyond what the standard studio versions offered.
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Jeffrey
The Jet Set
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 06:58:21
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Magnum-Truth:
You continually impress me for your vast knowledge of music and the 12-inch single. I really enjoyed you mentioning what the creative jock could do with several singles, their versions and a razor blade. I grew up in the New York tri-state area and was mightily impressed with mix-meisters Tony Moran and Albert Cabrera (aka The Latin Rascals). These guys really exploited 12-inch mixes to their fullest potential. The Latin Rascals and a few others will always be held near and dear to my heart.
Thanks again for your magnificent knowledge!!
Jeffrey |
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