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anfunny2003
Personal Jesus
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magnum
Personal Jesus
United Kingdom
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
 Posted - 05/20/2012 : 10:10:19
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| I miss several tracks like Memories and regular 12 inch version. |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2012 : 22:47:29
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Originally posted by Luke
I miss several tracks like Memories and regular 12 inch version.
Yes a strange compilation. But then again, many (most) CDs today are, from our "fan-atic" point of view. It would have been better then to add the single versions and their B-sides as bonus tracks on CD 1, and the remix album and the 12" mixes on CD 2.
CD 1 extra tracks:
Smalltown Boy 3.58 [single version]
Memories 2.55 [B-side Smalltown Boy]
Why? (Remix) 5.13
Cadillac Car 3.54 [B-side Why]
It Ain't Necessarily So 4.05 [single version]
Close to the Edge 4.43 [B-side It Ain't Necessarily So]
I Feel Love 5.44 [single remix]
Puit D'Amour 1.38 [B-side I Feel Love]
The Potatoe Fields 2.59 [B-side 12" I Feel Love]
Signs (and Wonders) 5.00 [B-side 12" I Feel Love]
Run from Love (edit) 4.36
CD 2 extra tracks:
Smalltown Boy 9.00 [extended version]
Infatuation/Memories 7.38
Why? (Extended Mix) 7.44
Cadillac Car 7.28
It Ain't Necessarily So 5.22 [extended]
Red Dance 6.53
I Feel Love 9.44 [extended remix]
I Feel Love (Vocal - Cake Mix) 8.23
I Feel Love (Inst - Fruit Mix) 8.27
It's possible there would not be any room for all tracks, but I hope you understand my idea behind it: original LP, followed by bonus single tracks. Original remix LP, followed by original 12" single tracks. /JW |
Edited by - discoginfo on 05/21/2012 00:12:03 |
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 00:59:46
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You could do an update Jonas but what about the post JS Bronski Beat? Will we see remasters of Truthdare Doubledare and also 1995's Rainbow Nation. Also Bronski Beat were planning an album in 1987 that never got released. It had guest vocals from various people including the lead singer of Strawberry Switchblade. Then of course we have JS's solo albums from London records (Read My Lips and Dare To Love). Also a DVD would be nice.
Yes I ask for too much.
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 01:03:02
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| And yes I like your idea Jonas. I like having everything in the right order. I think the recent a-ha remasters were quite good at doing that. It is a nightmare collecting an artist like Ryuichi Sakamoto and Yellow Magic Orchestra. Even though there is hardly any b-sides or remixes, all the rare tracks are scattered over several releases, some of which are very rare. |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 01:39:39
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While Edsel claimed that all of Houndreds & Thousands is included, the track Infatuation/Memories on Hundreds & Thousands is missing too.
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 03:16:12
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About Bronski Beat from 1985 onward (without Jimmy), yes I have started preparing a separate discography, because I like their music. All I need is some more time.
JS solo, not sure, first I want to do The Communards.
About HUNDREDS & THOUSANDS, the original vinyl LP only had 6 tracks (see my discography). The cassette and CD edition had four extra tracks: Infatuation/Memories 7.08 [fade-out] [B-side 12" Smalltown Boy], Close to the Edge 4.43 [B-side It Ain't Necessarily So],
I Feel Love [extended remix] 9.43, Cadillac Car 8.11 [B-side 12" Why]. So, these four extra tracks did not really "belong" to HUNDREDS & THOUSANDS, they were fillers. In 1985 after Jimmy left, he also left two new songs behind him: Run from Love & Hard Rain. Perhaps these were part of a planned second "proper" album before he decided to go hiw own way and start The Communards. /JW |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 05:55:21
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| PS another way would be to put THE AGE OF CONSENT (10 tracks) plus HUNDREDS & THOUSANDS (6 original tracks) on CD 1 - which would be the "Albums CD". Then single mixes, B-sides, 12" mixes etc on CD 2. It would look pretty neat. |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3174 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 08:14:15
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| Although these may not be perfect, they are pretty awesome. Looking forward to getting these. |
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anfunny2003
Personal Jesus
175 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 12:54:01
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Well, the release date is not June 25th, it's July 2nd. Also, the guy who does the Jimmy Somerville website has compiled them... so a big fanboy is involved! Also...
Jimmy's Read My Lips and Dare To Love are also coming out as 2CD remasters on July 30th! Tracklists not comfirmed yet. |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 13:24:02
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| Amazon UK says 25 June. |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 23:31:22
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I now added the 1986 Bronski Beat album to my discography
http://www.discog.info/bronskibeat.html
There was a twist, because one of my catalogues list "This Heart" as a single in Aug 1986, but neither www.discogs.com, ebay or amazon list it, so it must be a planned single that never came out. That would solve the "mystery" track on the CD (What Are You Going To Do About It) as it seemed to come out of nowhere. Now we know it was the planned B-side to the unreleased single. That means the CD must have been issued later in 1986, after the vinyl.
What collection CD (Bronski Beat/Communards etc) would you recommend if I want the single versions, preferably also some release info like release date, liner notes etc? |
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 03:37:15
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| Great stuff Jonas. Sorry to be more picky but will you include the late 80's version of BB with Jonathon Hellyer? They had a hit with "cha cha heels" with Eartha Kitt and also released three further singles. |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 05:53:59
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| I started with the 1986 album. I also have plans to include that single, but I only know about two more singles: I'm Gonna Run Away From You & One More Chance (besides their 1995 CD). Perhaps you mean Smalltown Boy (1991 Remix)? |
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 09:20:33
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| A song called "what more can I say". It is listed on some sites as being recoreded, though I guess it may be a b side. |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 11:25:58
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| Interesting. It is listed at wikipedia, and several other sites that rank high on google, however when i checked, there is no proof whatsoever, no further info, no pictures, no cat no, no nothing. As if this was not enough, this song does not exist at discogs.com, ebay, amazon or even youtube, so I must conclude - it does not exist. |
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rewind
Room at the Top
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Posted - 05/22/2012 : 11:43:21
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Originally posted by humanracer
They had a hit with "cha cha heels" with Eartha Kitt...
BTW, "Cha Cha Heels" was recently re-released digitally. |
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 13:53:52
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| I included the stray singles 1989-1991 in my discography now. |
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anfunny2003
Personal Jesus
175 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 16:19:44
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Originally posted by discoginfo
Amazon UK says 25 June.
When I originally posted, Amazon only said "Sign up to be notified when this title is available". HMV meanwhile stated 02/07 and all three were pre-orderable for Ł9. Amazon is now showing 25/06, with a price of Ł12, so I'll stick with HMV and save Ł9 in total! |
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redzone
Running Up That Hill
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Posted - 05/23/2012 : 05:38:38
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| Just saw Jimmy's Read My Lips is also slated for a 2CD release. |
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anfunny2003
Personal Jesus
175 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2012 : 14:48:48
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| ...and Dare To love. I posted that here the other day ^ |
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redzone
Running Up That Hill
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Posted - 05/24/2012 : 03:21:45
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| Oeps, you're right. Sorry. |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
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BigManRestless
The Jet Set
United Kingdom
325 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2012 : 02:42:44
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Originally posted by discoginfo
I completed the discography for Bronski Beat now
http://www.discog.info/bronskibeat.html
In addition to those:
Smalltown Boy (DJ edit) / (single version) BITDJ 1 7" promo
It Ain't Necessarily So / Close To The Edge / Smaltown Boy / Memories 7" double pack (BITE 3)
I remember rightly I think I was told the original plan was to do The Age Of Consent as a double disc and Hundreds and Thousands as a single disc. Clearly plans were changed and two separate releases were combined into one. |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2012 : 04:31:02
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About:
Smalltown Boy (DJ edit) / (single version) BITDJ 1 7" promo
What's strange is that the disc itself has no durations, but they are listed at discogs.com as 5.01 and 3.58. Obviously 3.58 is the single version, but 5.01 would be the album version, which most likely was not even considered at this point. So could the "DJ Edit" be the 9 min 12" version? /JW |
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soundstory
Personal Jesus
214 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2012 : 12:26:45
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I can't believe that they have left off the one reason I would buy it
no Smalltown Boy 12" mix !!
That's insane, it's their biggest single ! |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2012 : 14:00:00
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Originally posted by soundstory
I can't believe that they have left off the one reason I would buy it
no Smalltown Boy 12" mix !!
That's insane, it's their biggest single !
For some reason I really like the 'Hundreds And Thousands' version much more than the original 9-minutes 12 inch version. It's 3 minutes shorter, but not bad at all and a very original approach of the basic song.
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
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Finnatic
Switchin' to Glide
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2012 : 19:11:35
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2012 : 10:51:12
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I believe the real danger here lies in the fact that if CD re-releases are "substandard" (according to "the fans") and therefore sell too little, it will give further weight the record company notion that releasing real CDs is not worthwhile anymore so they focus on digital-only releases instead. Or maybe this is what they want? Digital releases cost little to produce. Some claim that the vinyl market in the late 80s was deliberately sabotaged by record companies, by making the vinyl sound bad and including some extra tracks on CDs, so that they could sell the more profitable CDs instead of vinyls (vinyls could be returned if there was some scratches etc). Not sure if that was true (we will never find out) but it's quite obvious that record companies releasing CDs today are not interested in having "fan input" but rely on a single person to do the track listing. In the case of this 2-CD I believe the compiler focused on including tracks that have not been issued on CD before, which is logical in a way... But unsatisfactroy for fans who want all tracks in one CD set.
About that amazon review, he does not say outright that some tracks were from vinyl, he only thought so, and did not complain about the sound too much, only that the "original" sounded "clearer". Well I don't know, I have not bought it.
/JW |
Edited by - discoginfo on 07/09/2012 05:05:05 |
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soundstory
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 02:13:46
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Originally posted by discoginfo
I believe the real danger here lies in the fact that if CD re-releases are "substandard" (according to "the fans") and therefore sell too little, it will give further weight the record company notion that releasing real CDs is not worthwhile anymore so they focus on digital-only releases instead. Or maybe this is what they want? Digital releases costs little to produce. Some claim that the vinyl market in the late 80s was deliberately sabotaged by record companies, by making the sound bad and including some extra tracks on CDs, so that they could sell the more profitable CDs instead of vinyls could be returned if the was some noise etc. Not sure if that was true (we will never find out) but it's quite obvious that record companies releasing CDs today are not interested in having "fan input" but rely on a single person to do the track listing. In the case of this 2-CD I believe the compiler focused on including tracks that have not been issued on CD before, which is logical in a way... But unsatisfactroy for fans who want all tracks in one CD set.
About that amazon review, he does not say outright that some tracks were from vinyl, he only thought so, and did not complain about the sound too much, only that the "original" sounded "clearer". Well I don't know, I have not bought it.
/JW
Yes I agree, it's hard to tell yet whether this is the case or not.
As it doesn't include the 12" mix of Smalltown Boy I decided not to purchase.
With some of the Cherry Pop releases over the last couple of years, it makes you wonder what's going on.
Are master tapes in general in such a bad state that vinyl is the only option in some cases?.
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2012 : 04:30:57
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| Very surprised about these releases not that i would buy them personally not my cup of tea but i have found the vast majority of Edsels stuff to be good quality. |
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Lois
Take On Me
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 07:05:44
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I'm sad i have a friend who told me that some titles are not very good quality. Its a rotten vinyl. Not directly from master tapes?
I wanted to buy the deluxe edition with this news but I bought more. Not buy. I am disappointed as many fans.
I want the deluxe editions of Samantha Fox is not critical. Perfect sound! |
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Rubellan
Room at the Top
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 12:57:05
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The vast majority of the time, this is a cost saving measure. Master tapes are often available and would transfer just fine with a quick bake in the oven, but companies don't want to pay for that "restoration". Instead, they'll just drop the needle on crackly vinyl and leave it at that.
And I've said it before, the more people who are "just glad it's available" are the same people who ensure this tactic continues. I was eagerly awaiting the release of the new Sony Original Classic Albums for the the Thompson Twins, in hope their 'Set' album would not be the shitty vinyl transfer from the Edsel release. Well, that's all it was. And again, this one was a real insult because the master tapes are pictured on the packaging but not used.
I research and buy any reissues nowadays with great caution, thanks to vinyl remastering and/or brickwalled volume. |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2012 : 15:32:58
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Originally posted by Rubellan
I was eagerly awaiting the release of the new Sony Original Classic Albums for the the Thompson Twins, in hope their 'Set' album would not be the shitty vinyl transfer from the Edsel release. Well, that's all it was. And again, this one was a real insult because the master tapes are pictured on the packaging but not used.
I think you need to post a review on amazon to let people know that they will be buying this crap again. I would also hazard a guess that the recently released box sets by Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet will have the fucked up remasters in them as well. They clearly don't give a flying fuck now what inferior crap they release to the general public. |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3174 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2012 : 23:39:19
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Maybe my ears are going bad and I can't tell the difference anymore but I got the Bronski Beat and the 2 Communards Remasters and think they sound fine and love them.  |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2012 : 02:46:29
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It seems that the "regular 12" Mix" of I Feel Love (1985 single with Marc Almond) is not on CD yet. But there is a "Source Mix" on the new 2-CD that is 10 min 5 sec. According to some info at discogs.com the regular 12" mix is 9 min 44 sec. Have anyone compared them? Maybe the duration is off on the first single, and it's really the same version?
PS the two "demos" were not "previously unreleased" like I had assumed, they were issued on two various artists magazine cassettes and single. /JW |
Edited by - discoginfo on 08/14/2012 02:52:26 |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2012 : 11:58:53
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I have finally started on a discography for THE COMMUNARDS:
http://www.discog.info/communards.html
I did the first album for now. It took a while because there was much research to do and confusion as usual.
/JW
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Bronski Beat/Communards 2CD Remasters! 02/07
