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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
1039 Posts |
 Posted - 06/15/2012 : 07:52:46
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| I've always been confused by the way too many and exotic titled mixes . My basic Fgth need is to have the original 7" mixes of WTTP and WTW. |
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audiodile
Switchin' to Glide
USA
36 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2012 : 10:15:13
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I'm liable to think it's really just someone's idea of a joke, knowing that there are remix fanatics like myself out there that will try to collect all 40 mixes of a song. ZTT has always been fairly blatant about being comically pretentious anyway.
The funny thing is that now that the fans have the tools to do their own remixes, there are often now 100 remixes of any popular song. My life got both better and harder at the same time. ;) |
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anfunny2003
Personal Jesus
175 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2012 : 12:35:10
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| "Volume One". Christ. I hate this milking... all I want is Slave To The Rhythm by Frankie... thye have it, a friend has held the DAT in his hands with it on. Just release it already! |
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yipyipcoyote
Room at the Top
Niue
762 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2012 : 00:19:10
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| Is the other Sex Mix edit on this one? |
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bruiser
Room at the Top
751 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 09:45:22
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| AND STILL THE WILDLIFE "MOVEMENT 2" GOES UNRELEASED! jesus. |
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crystal
The Jet Set
357 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 11:34:07
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Originally posted by bruiser
AND STILL THE WILDLIFE "MOVEMENT 2" GOES UNRELEASED! jesus.
don't worry, there'll surely be a Vol. 2, just thinking of the way ZTT deal with such things usually... |
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soundstory
Personal Jesus
214 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 10:46:19
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| Vol two has been confirmed for release next year |
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Andee1970
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
768 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2012 : 09:35:45
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| Already have this 2cd and it's great |
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soundstory
Personal Jesus
214 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2012 : 02:18:17
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| Welcome To The Pleasuredome (Cassette) is mastered in MONO! |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2012 : 04:25:29
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Originally posted by soundstory
Welcome To The Pleasuredome (Cassette) is mastered in MONO!
Which ZTT were informed about a week ago and have just been ignoring the fact. Luckily enough i have a copy of this incase this release goes tits up. |
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bruiser
Room at the Top
751 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2012 : 09:02:44
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| this mono mastering thing is unbelievable. was there no time to sit down and listen to a fucking test of the new cds, through headphones, with a pad of paper in front of you to jot down notes and fixes? jeez. i don't understand spending all the money to do this project and FUCKING IT UP SO ROYALLY. if there was ever a song suite that begged to be listened to in stereo, it is the very batch of songs mastered in mono. what fucking idiots. i am now officially not interested in this set. |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2012 : 09:47:57
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The FGTH Sexmix - an apology
Posted on 08.07.12
Please note that due to, as they say in the trade, a 'technical f*** up', mono masters were sent to press for CD1 tracks 01-05. One channel is mirrored on both sides.
We wanted to point this out, even if you may not have noticed, even if - like Phil Spector - you would have been delighted.
We hope this will not spoil your enjoyment of the All In The Body, All In The Mind singlette, presented on CD for the first time and, for the first time ever, with Welcome To The Pleasuredome (How To Remake The World) in its original, full length 11:40 incarnation.
If and when a suitable stereo master becomes available, we will offer this as a free, lossless download as per the recent Nasty Rox Inc. update. |
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mgidaho
Take On Me
USA
68 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2012 : 11:35:12
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| where is this available for sale? Curious for those that already have it; confirm the mono topic? |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2012 : 15:12:19
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Originally posted by mgidaho
where is this available for sale? Curious for those that already have it; confirm the mono topic?
I bought it a couple of weeks ago from a seller on the marketplace on amazon.de it's not officially released till the 6th August and yes those tracks are in mono. |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2012 : 08:43:28
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The "apology" isn't any such thing is it? it's obvious Peel doesn't give a shit but is annoyed that the cock up was made public BEFORE the cd got to the shops.
And the solution? a possible free download at some unspecified point in the future if a decent master can be found?
What's the problem in finding a good master? and what about those of us that don't download?
The correct action would to have delayed the release, repressed CD 1.
Simple. And why isn't Peel held to account? He gets away with everything, he should be replaced, and the quality control people too, what they do, or do not do, is a complete joke.
The fans are reacting in the best way by cancelling their amazon orders and saying so on Facebook, that has to be noticed by someone other than Peel, someone who gives a damn.
What bugs me is that some people are saying they will still buy it and
are saying the same old things; 'everyone makes a mistake', 'this is better than nothing', 'what do you expect for the price?' etc. etc. etc.
I wonder what the band members, or Trevor Horn or anyone else originally involved would think if they knew this was how the fans are treated? And that whole so called download "solution" is an insult too.
I eagerly wait for the next mess up, wonder what it will be?
As long as Peel and co. and in charge of the element series fans will continue to be fucked over, and will never get what we want.
Look at the Propaganda entries in the element series. Where is "Complete Machinery"? one of Peels priorities should have been
to get that and "Do Well" on CD, preferably on the "Secret Wish" reissue, and where are the videos that should accompany all ZTT releases? Imagine "Love And A Million Other Things", or "Laughter, Tears And Rage" issued with an extra disc of the videos? they would have been real deluxe collectors sets.
No thought at all goes in the element range, as I said before, Peel works in a vacuum with no idea what the fans want, because he won't communicate with us, so how does that make him suited to the job?
Have Fun.
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BigManRestless
The Jet Set
United Kingdom
325 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 03:05:31
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| Why would there even be a mono master? That makes no sense! |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 07:58:50
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Originally posted by BigManRestless
Why would there even be a mono master? That makes no sense!
It's not even the proper mix that was on the cassingle hell knows where they found this one. |
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blaaah
Personal Jesus
104 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2012 : 05:47:44
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| and thats the odd thing that seems to being missed here - its not the cassingle master, its a bloody different version. ZTT do not know arse from elbow and i have said before, we'll all be dead before they actually release what we want! |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2012 : 06:21:37
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| It sounds like some cut and paste job that somebody has done on their computer and fucked up. I will be surprised if ZTT don't do something soon regarding this as there has been a hell of an uproar with people planning to boycott this release and i don't think even if the master is found a wave file will suffice even if it is free. |
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Magnum-Truth
Personal Jesus
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Posted - 07/15/2012 : 07:45:00
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Why would there even be a mono master? That makes no sense!
More than likely the source was stereo, but in an attempt to make something new out of old tapes, the final rendering was done in mono and overlooked by someone with little experience.
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It's not even the proper mix that was on the cassingle hell knows where they found this one.
Because they are probably making up mixes and mix titles as they go along now and got it mixed up with the real one from the cassette.
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and that’s the odd thing that seems to being missed here - it’s not the cassingle master, it’s a bloody different version. ZTT do not know arse from elbow and I have said before, we'll all be dead before they actually release what we want!
I guess it would not be odd at all if some of these mixes do not actually exist in there archives and they are just making things up now, … or even better for them, … in a couple of months they come out with another exclusive release that you have to spend $$ on.
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It sounds like some cut and paste job that somebody has done on their computer and fucked up. I will be surprised if ZTT don't do something soon regarding this as there has been a hell of an uproar with people planning to boycott this release and I don't think even if the master is found a wave file will suffice even if it is free.
You are probably correct about the mixing done on a pc. When you run out of the real genuine material from the archives and you want to keep selling product, you have to create the illusion that more material has been recently discovered by editing some old material into several new (so called archive) versions.
I would not worry about it ......... in a couple of months from now they will come out with a remastered version of the f##ked up version. 
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If I had to fathom a guess and personal observation, this label has a limited amount of back-catalog materials in its archives. When you get down to it they did not have that many different artists signed up to the label to begin with, and rely heavily on selling the same material over and over and over again to the point were they are selling recently made edits.
What you might be seeing is, … Many years ago when some genuine and unintentional mistakes were made titling mixes, going back to the days of the original vinyl releases. They stumbled upon a formula for selling stuff to devoted fans of a particular artist or group by perpetually releasing material with mistakes, incorrect versions or made up versions with the (hope) and promise that the next release would be better and / or the correct one.
I think it’s catching up with them now. There is only so many ways you can take the same songs and put new names (exotic titles) on them. Or put out releases with obvious mistakes before people start to say f##k-it.
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 01:59:43
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From the HMV website, in the sexmix listing :
July 2012
The first five tracks included on the 'Sex Mix' release have been mastered in mono as these were the only master tapes available & no stereo versions have been located. ZTT felt it would be better to have these tracks on the collection in this form rather than not including them at all.
And the first review there:
Beware - First Five Tracks are in MONO!!!
13 July, 2012
If you're a Frankie nutter and are looking for some stuff that's not been released on CD before, then at 7 this is worth a punt. But the first five tracks have been mismastered in MONO. The choice is yours... |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 03:24:06
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| This shows that despite all the outrage from fans, the release is going ahead as planned. |
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Neil Kelly
Personal Jesus
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 07:05:36
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| Luke... No surprise there TBH. Magnum-Truth, if what you are saying is right, it's very worrying. I can only hope and pray that you are wrong! |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 08:02:27
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Going by the info at the HMV website, presumably posted by ZTT, (going by the wording) that the release is going ahead with no changes made, despite fan concerns about the mono issue.
"The first five tracks included on the 'Sex Mix' release have been mastered in mono as these were the only master tapes available & no stereo versions have been located. ZTT felt it would be better to have these tracks on the collection in this form rather than not including them at all."
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Jeffrey
The Jet Set
291 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 09:39:05
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This really upsets me. I have pre-ordered this because I was hoping for a "phenomenal" release. I do like the ZTT element series, however, this is just a sad and pathetic case. What am I to do? I don't have everything Frankie released, so I was hoping to "catch up" with this compilation. I'm afraid that if I do buy this along with others, that this sets a "standard" for mediocrity for all future releases and other labels as well. Oh, I guess on Volume 2, they'll fix the problem. Hey, I'd rather wait for Ben Liebrand to release these mixes properly. You can always count on Mr. Liebrand. I am so furious and depressed. The people responsible for this should be PUNISHED to the highest degree possible. And what about Trevor Horn and the band!?! What's their opinion? This almost ruins their legacy and commitment to quality. A dirty shame.
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
1039 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 11:38:53
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| On ZTT's webpage this release is being lavishly promoted despite their admitance to the screw ups. |
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blaaah
Personal Jesus
104 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 15:26:54
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| It is shameful. |
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Andee1970
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
768 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 17:36:44
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I'll add my two cents, the remaster (yes I have had this for three weeks now) is bollocks - very very muddy - the mono stuff is shameful and some parts sound like it has been recorded in a kitchen sink.
It's a sad sight to hear and i wished it would of been better. At least I still have my cassingle ripped lovingly.... |
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gazebo
Personal Jesus
Canada
228 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 15:26:02
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Amazon UK has stopped selling it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sex-Mix-Frankie-Goes-Hollywood/dp/B005ELZLSQ/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpi_1
Item Under Review
This product is not currently offered by Amazon.co.uk because a customer recently told us that the item he or she received was not as described.
We are working to resolve this as quickly as possible. In the meantime, you may still find this product available from other sellers on this page. |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 01:37:31
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So, a result at last from Amazon, they’ve listened to their customers and taken action—unlike Peel and Salvo.
They asked for this by the insulting excuse of an “apology”, by then lying to make it sound like they knew about the mono issue all along, by thinking a vague promise of a possible download in the future was an acceptable solution (what about those of us who like actual CDs, not downloads?) , by ignoring all contact from fans and band members, and by informing their website owning sycophants to only allow positive comments about the release and those behind it.
Many people are wary of Salvo/Peel now, and well they should be, they've gotten away with the mono issue, so what is the next fuck up they'll inflict on us?
Because their track record speaks for itself, it's not a case of if another fuck up occurs, but when.
We've seen the damage limitation attempts that certain websites owned by Peels cronies have done, ---like superdeluxe edition--- the way they delete posts that are critical in the hope that that alone will be enough to save Peels reputation, they are seriously deluded if they think that will work!
So will it make those named above do something to rectify the problem? Probably not, they’ll be planning the next fuck up/way to screw over fans.
No one who cares about the music would have allowed such a cock up to be released, there needs to be a shake-up at Salvo, and certain people fired pronto. It's in all our best interests. |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 05:43:23
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| It's back for sale on Amazon that didn't last long. |
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schwenko
Room at the Top
USA
5387 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 06:05:59
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waiting for Rubellan's analysis
Sugoi !!! |
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moni
Room at the Top
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2012 : 15:57:43
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Some news from Salvo Music on the 2xCD Frankie Goes To Hollywood compilation, SexMix...
Stereo masters have been located and have been used to prepare a new, all stereo version of disc one. If anyone would like to replace their current ver
sion of disc one with one of these freshly minted, all stereo versions then all we ask is that you please send us your current disc and provide a return address. We will then forward a copy of the all stereo disc to you by first class post. Please send the discs to the following address:
Salvo
Union Square Music Ltd.
Unit 1.1
Shepherds Studios
Rockley Road
London
W14 0DA
UK
For your reference, the code on the discs featuring the tracks with one channel repeated on both sides is: *053731. The code on the new discs is: *056837. These codes can be found on the underside of the disc in the ring around the centre.
In addition, those who bought digital downloads of the album can now download an updated version at the store from which it was originally purchased. |
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Luke
Personal Jesus
150 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 08:39:57
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This does not mean that the problems are over yet.
Especially if you're planning to buy a copy from a store:
It is likely that stores will continue to stock the ‘wrong’ version of Sex Mix for the near future, until stocks get depleted. Again, as said before, also meant as a reference, the code on the discs featuring the tracks with one channel repeated on both sides is: *053731. The code on the new discs is: *056837. These codes can be found on the underside of the disc in the ring around the centre. |
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thorpy2112
Switchin' to Glide
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2012 : 01:17:57
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So here's today's question - how can I now place an order for FGTH 'Sex Mix' and guarantee that I get one of the revised new copies? Do Salvo / USM ship via their own website?
I also have a copy of the withdrawn 'Liverpool' reissue...wonder why the copy on eBay finished early? Mysterious!
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
1039 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2012 : 09:18:01
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| I also have a copy of the withdrawn Liverpool album. I never bought the Sexmix compilation but will now wait another month or so from Amazon. |
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Finnatic
Switchin' to Glide
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2012 : 10:41:08
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Salvo sent me a corrected copy of disc 1 in the mail as per the previously posted information, and it sounds great. Really nice to see a company provide good customer support like this.
Happy New Year, everyone! |
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yipyipcoyote
Room at the Top
Niue
762 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2012 : 17:31:13
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Looks like Amazon is still selling the mono version  |
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discoginfo
Room at the Top
Sweden
647 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2012 : 00:04:50
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The problem with Amazon in this case is that it's a market place, so naturally Amazon can not make any guarantee that no one amongst their third-party sellers will sell the old edition, especially as Salvo has made it so hard to see the difference (a bar code on the disc) because they were trying to sweep the mistake under the carpet. So, this poses a dilemma: if fans don't complain, the record company will not correct the product, and if fans do complain, the risk is that record companies will simply stop selling physical CDs and resort to digital-only albums, as these can be "replaced" at no cost for them. Duh.
www.jonaswarstad.com
www.discog.info
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darkluna
Switchin' to Glide
49 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2012 : 20:17:28
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| Got my replacement copy today! |
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thorpy2112
Switchin' to Glide
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2013 : 02:29:06
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USM / Salvo replaced my faulty copy of Disc 1 without any hassle or question; they didn't even need the original returned - just a proof of purchase.
Quick service, and although it should never have happened in the first place (and been 'covered up') it has now been dealt with well IMHO.
Just a pain that the major retailers like Amazon etc. still have the incorrect stock; Chas Chandler from USM / Salvo confirmed that they are just not likely to de-stock as it involves quite a high cost.
Cheers
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Qbertqubes
Personal Jesus
USA
198 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2013 : 06:25:08
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where can I buy a good copy of the release now that it is corrected?
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Originally posted by discoginfo
The problem with Amazon in this case is that it's a market place, so naturally Amazon can not make any guarantee that no one amongst their third-party sellers will sell the old edition, especially as Salvo has made it so hard to see the difference (a bar code on the disc) because they were trying to sweep the mistake under the carpet. So, this poses a dilemma: if fans don't complain, the record company will not correct the product, and if fans do complain, the risk is that record companies will simply stop selling physical CDs and resort to digital-only albums, as these can be "replaced" at no cost for them. Duh.
www.jonaswarstad.com
www.discog.info
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thorpy2112
Switchin' to Glide
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2013 : 12:17:28
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Hi there
When I asked that question to USM/Salvo they replied to say that they cannot guarantee that any stockist will only have the corrected version in stock.
The advice was to buy a copy anyway; if it's corrected great - if not please send a proof of purchase to Chas Chandler at USM (address higher up this thread) and it will be replaced FOC.
Cheers
Steve |
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
1039 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 13:24:10
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Maybe it's been mentioned before, but is there a barcode/serial no. or anything that differentiates the new discs from the old ones? Oh By the way did anyone get the Japanese 2cd version of Frankie Said?
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schwenko
Room at the Top
USA
5387 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 15:28:37
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quote:
Originally posted by omar
Maybe it's been mentioned before, but is there a barcode/serial no. or anything that differentiates the new discs from the old ones? Oh By the way did anyone get the Japanese 2cd version of Frankie Said?
from 11/21/12
For your reference, the code on the discs featuring the tracks with one channel repeated on both sides is: *053731. The code on the new discs is: *056837. These codes can be found on the underside of the disc in the ring around the centre.
Sugoi !!! |
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Neil Kelly
Personal Jesus
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 16:11:53
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| Have a search if you are on Facebook. It was mentioned there i think on Ztt or Salvo records page. Difference in matrix numbers i think |
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omar
Room at the Top
USA
1039 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 09:02:59
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| Thanks. |
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FGTH - SexMix : Archive Tapes Vol 1 (2-CD)
