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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
 Posted - 07/17/2012 : 03:31:03
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Odd thread but I am looking to find less common versions of my favourite New Wave albums. We already know about the famous two versions of A Secret Wish but I would also add:
A Broken Frame - US edition has longer version of Leave in Silence and adds Further Excerpts From My Secret Garden.
Construction Time Again - Extended mix of Everything Counts instead of the reprise.
Black Celebration - Different intro to Question Of Time and But Not Tonight is the final track.
Penthouse & Pavement/Luxury Gap - These Heaven 17 albums had totally different US editions but as far as I am aware they were never released on CD.
Poland - Only two 80's versions of this Tangerine Dream album contain the complete recording.
Kraftwerk - Computerwelt. The mix of the title track is different as well as the language.
Illustrated Musical Encylopedia - Japanese edition has more Japanese tracks.
Duran Duran - US edition of debut album has different tracklist and adds Is There Something I Should Know?
Anymore I should hunt out?
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roc51
The Jet Set
Australia
354 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 04:01:23
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Level 42 - World Machine. US version, different track list
Icehouse - Icehouse had different mixes on the US version
Icehouse - Primitive Man. US version, different track list
Cutting Crew - Broadcast. US version, different mixes
Naked Eyes - Burning Bridges. Released as Naked Eyes in US with different track list
Fra Lippo Lippi - Songs. Virgin UK version has different mixes, track list
Duran Duran - Rio. US version, different mixes
Stone Roses - Stone Roses. US version adds Elephant Stone
New Order - Power Corruption & Lies. US version adds Blue Monday
The Smiths - Meat Is Murder. US version adds How Soon Is Now?
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 04:03:56
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Originally posted by roc51
Level 42 - World Machine. US version, different track list
Icehouse - Icehouse had different mixes on the US version
Icehouse - Primitive Man. US version, different track list
Cutting Crew - Broadcast. US version, different mixes
Naked Eyes - Burning Bridges. Released as Naked Eyes in US with different track list
Fra Lippo Lippi - Songs. Virgin UK version has different mixes, track list
Duran Duran - Rio. US version, different mixes
Stone Roses - Stone Roses. US version adds Elephant Stone
New Order - Power Corruption & Lies. US version adds Blue Monday
The Smiths - Meat Is Murder. US version adds How Soon Is Now?
Cheers, didn't know about most of those! |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3169 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 18:10:20
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I believe the Duran Duran self titled LP was released in the US with the same cover as the UK LP but they used the night version of Planet Earth instead of the version that showed up on the release with the Is There Something I Should Know which had a different cover.
The first OMD relesae in the US pretty much picked the best songs from the first 2 UK releases and had a slightly different version of Electricity than the one on the UK self titled.
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obs
Room at the Top
Canada
1774 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2012 : 23:37:14
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> Cutting Crew - Broadcast. US version, different mixes
After hearing the remastered version, I fail to hear what the difference is in these US versions.
> I believe the Duran Duran self titled LP was released in the US with the same cover as the UK LP but they used the night version of Planet Earth instead of the version that showed up on the release with the Is There Something I Should Know which had a different cover.
Correct, as is the Canadian original release.
> A Broken Frame - US edition has longer version of Leave in Silence and adds Further Excerpts From My Secret Garden.
Assuming that the Canadian pressing is the same as the US, the photo of Andy Fletcher on the inside sleeve is different to the UK/DE/etc version. And they cheaped out here, by providing a greyscale inside sleeve instead of the full colour one.
> Construction Time Again - Extended mix of Everything Counts instead of the reprise.
On the CD, yes, but not on the vinyl in Canada. And again, it has a greyscale inside sleeve.
> Black Celebration - Different intro to Question Of Time and But Not Tonight is the final track.
Yeah, the fucked up, repeated intro of Time. Canadian has But Not Tonight, as well.
Canadian CD of Kylie Minogue - Kylie Minogue also includes the French version of Confide in Me. Supposedly, one of the photos in the booklet was unique to this release. Some lying sacks of shit eBayers tried to claim that it had a unique cover (using the aforementioned exclusive photo), but this is a lie. All they did was fold the booklet differently to make it look as though the cover was different.
Blancmange - Second Helpings: supposedly, the CA CD has some different version or extra tracks, but I don't know what.
Saga - Worlds Apart: US vinyl has a completely different cover.
Saga - Silent Knight: I think it is the US CD, where Don't Be Late has a different intro. It could be the DE CD, though.
Oops, re-reading the original post, this is supposed to be about CDs, and not vinyl  . |
Edited by - obs on 07/17/2012 23:39:01 |
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ed4ad
Switchin' to Glide
Belgium
40 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 00:17:14
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The Wolfgang Press : Queer
M/A/R/R/S: Pump Up The Volume
Totally different versions due to clearance of samples |
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hypnohighball
Take On Me
USA
53 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 07:09:48
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The original Columbia US cd of The Boomtown Rats "A Tonic For The Troops" has a different tracklisting, and a superior, rerecorded "Mary Of The 4th Form". Well worth seeking out, great sound, too. Not brickwalled like the remasters. It's always the same - we trade good sonics and dynamic range for extra tracks and expanded artwork - that's why I have so many cds I can't trade or sell when I buy "remasters"!  |
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Spudboy
Personal Jesus
USA
146 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 13:08:40
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Thompson Twins
US "Side Kicks" vs UK "Quick Step and Side Kicks"
Totally different running order.
Still looking for my girl with auburn hair and tawny eyes... |
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blaaah
Personal Jesus
103 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 15:25:15
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| Breathe's All That Jazz US CD has totally different mix of Wont You Come Back |
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obs
Room at the Top
Canada
1774 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2012 : 23:28:08
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> Thompson Twins
US "Side Kicks" vs UK "Quick Step and Side Kicks"
"Into the Gap" has different running orders from pressing to pressing, as well, although I think the early pressing in all countries were the same, then later re-ordered everywhere.
And I think "Roll Over" was a bonus track in some areas, on Future Days (or maybe it was some other track). |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3169 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2012 : 21:13:51
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The Canadian version of Blancmange's "Second Helpings" came with these bonus tracks which made it far superior for years.
13 That's Love, That It Is (Extended Version) 6:56
14 Blind Vision (Extended Version) 9:38
15 Feel Me (Extended Version) 6:57
Red Flag's vinyl version of "Naive Art" with the shorter versions has always been so much better for me than the cd version with the super long versions that seem to go on more than they need to.
Camouflage's original german release of "Love Is A Shield" 12 inch, although somewhat smoother, seemed to not really make sense while the US release seemed to make more sense but the song sounded a little choppier. I like both versions.  |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3169 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2012 : 21:28:22
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For Blancmange, I forgot this was a longer version on the Canadian pressing too.
6 Game Above My Head (Extended Version) 7:14 |
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obs
Room at the Top
Canada
1774 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2012 : 22:53:54
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| Again with vinyl, but the Canadian releases of Simple Mind's "Sons and Fascination" + "Sister Feelings Call" have all the tracks split differently between the two. Combined, I think all the tracks are there, but "The American" and "Themes for Great Cities" are both on "Sons". |
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Fred Taghon
The Jet Set
USA
254 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 00:00:14
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Erasure's "Wonderland" album from 1986
The USA CD version has a completely different mix of "Oh L'Amour" than the UK version. In fact I don't believe the version on the USA CD has ever appeared anywhere else. Funny thing is even after owning it since 1986, I didn't realize it was different until I had both the USA version and the recent UK remastered version playing back to back in my iTunes library. The USA version has a much more "demo" feeling, but it's the first version of the song I ever heard, so it's actually the version I hear in my head when I think about the song!
Besides having a totally different version of "Oh L'Amour", the USA CD also omitted "Pistol" and "Push Me, Shove Me", replacing them with "March On Down The Line".
The USA CD has the remixes of "Who Needs Love Like That" and "Oh L'Amour" as bonus tracks, but "Who Needs Love..." has some awful distortion defect during the intro and the "Oh L'Amour" remix is sped up a bit. |
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budaniel
Room at the Top
1026 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 07:22:16
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Both Yazoo albums have different track listings in the US.
I believe Depeche Mode's Speak & Spell also had a different track listing in the US and UK.
Pat Benatar's Tropico has a different track listing in the UK.
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bruiser
Room at the Top
751 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 08:41:53
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dead or alive "sophisticated boom boom"- different track order.
dead or alive "youthquake"- different mixes of "cake and eat it" and "been a long time"- also various versions of 12" singles tacked on cassettes and cds.
b-52's "mesopotamia"- "extended/dub" mixes of "cake" and "loveland" and "drop that beat" on the uk album.
king "bittersweet" had "these things" in the uk. in the us it was "won't you hold my hand now"- also, different mix of "taste of your tears" |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3169 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 20:35:03
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| This odd thread has turned into a very interesting thread. |
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obs
Room at the Top
Canada
1774 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 23:02:48
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> Erasure's "Wonderland" album from 1986
Oh wow, I totally forgot about this. The version on the UK/DE CD sounds like crap, with thsoe disco sounds.
And on the Mute tip, Nitzer Ebb's That Total Age included the pre-Mute "Warsaw Ghetto" on the US/CA releases, on all formats.
808 State - 90 vs 808 State - Utd State 90.
Not 80s, but Orbital's first album: the US version is more like a compilation than a proper album. On the US CD, that version of "Midnight" may be exclusive. It's an edited version of the 12".
More Erasure, but not 80s: Cowboy. The US version has a slightly different cover, most notably in the colours, and the version of "In My Arms" (?) is different. US also has two extra tracks.
Yazoo - Upstairs at Eric's: In addition to different tracks, the UK/international CD has re-done artwork.
Sinead O'Connor - The Lion and the Cobra: The European releases have a different photo of Sinead on the cover. |
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korova1
The Jet Set
308 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 02:56:28
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Chameleons UK, script of the Bridge LP and CD in Uk have extra tracks. Us version on MCA shorter.
Jesus and Mary Chain - psychocandy CD UK had "some candy talking", US version did not
Cocteau Twins - Garlands UK has early BBC sessions tacked on end, US version does not (or is it the other way around?)
Echo and Bunnymen - Crocodiles has "Do It Clean" tacked on, UK version does not.
EnglIsh Beat - original CD had different cuts on them in US and UK
Depeche Mode - US music for the masses has several bonus tracks
Just a few off the top |
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Neil Kelly
Personal Jesus
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 09:15:18
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| Obs, it was certanily the US version of 'Here's to the future days' that had 'Roll over'. I had listened plenty of times to 'Roll Under' as a 7" vinyl B side to 'King for a day' and absolutely loved it. Sometime in about 1990 i read the story of how the album was pulled and changed at the last minute due of course to Tom's illness and read also about the track 'Roll over' which i presumed was a vocal version of 'Roll under' but didn't know for sure. I finally saw a US CD version of 'Here's...' in about 1995 on a market stool and HAD to buy it. Having finally heard that track with a vocal was incredible to me having not known of it's existance for so long and waiting ten years between hearing both versions. 'Roll over' / 'Roll under' remain so special to me and i love them both. Of course in the years since i have heard a few more different versions. It's bizarre to think of such a great track being lined up for a single release only to get completely removed from the U.K. edition of the album only for it to be given to the U.K. in a new instrumental version via that B side. Come to think of it 'King for a day' had many different vocals on a version which (maybe mistakingly) was put on the 1990 'The greatest hits' which i think was TV advertised and on Telstar. On the many TTT compilations since a mixture of the two main versions of 'KFAD' have been included. I think this to down to the various companies having no idea what they are doing (as usual). |
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obs
Room at the Top
Canada
1774 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 22:55:59
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> Depeche Mode - US music for the masses has several bonus tracks
I think the majority of the CD pressings had those bonus tracks, to entice music fans to buy CDs.
> Obs, it was certanily the US version of 'Here's to the future days' that had 'Roll over'.
Thanks. I knew there was one bonus track, but wasn't sure which. But you UK dudes did get a bonus EP with the original pressing :-). Anyways, Roll Over is a great track. Nice bass, like a lot of TT tracks. |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3169 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 09:00:42
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quote:
Originally posted by obs
> I think the majority of the CD pressings had those bonus tracks, to entice music fans to buy CDs.
The record companies should have continued to supply bonus tracks to cd buyers at the start of the cd vs. mp3 war and maybe they would still have a lot more people buying cd's today. |
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ippudo
Switchin' to Glide
United Kingdom
34 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 21:27:58
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Cupid & Psyche '85 - Scritti Politti (UK vs. US CD)
US CD sounds even worse (flatter) than the UK counterpart and contains the US 7" John Potoker remix of "Perfect Way" and a slightly longer mix of "Lover To Fall", which was earmarked as the final single. |
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obs
Room at the Top
Canada
1774 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 23:39:43
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> The record companies should have continued to supply bonus tracks to cd buyers at the start of the cd vs. mp3 war and maybe they would still have a lot more people buying cd's today.
I'm sure I've said this in these forums, but what they should have done was retire the CD-DA format, and just put albums on DVD-Video discs. They didn't need to do anything with the video (perhaps just a slideshow of photos), but the benefit is a higher resolution LPCM audio track: 96kHz/24bit vs 44.1kHz/16bit.
Unlike those audiophile audio discs, almost everyone has a DVD player, so the majority can still experience an upgrade over CDs (and MP3s).
Thanks for the Scritti Politti info. I have the EU pressing, so I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for a US rip. |
Edited by - obs on 07/22/2012 23:42:00 |
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Lazlo Nibble
Take On Me
87 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2012 : 16:37:46
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Originally posted by roc51
Level 42 - World Machine. US version, different track list
And both the "standard" and "US" versions of the CD were readily available in both the UK and the US. The "US-Version" has a banner on the booklet noting it as such and replaces "I Sleep On My Heart" and "Coup d'Etat" with the previously-released "Hot Water" and "The Chant Has Begun". So kind of a pointless reworking.
Since you mentioned Propaganda we may as well get the other ZTT-related variations out of the way first.
- Initial US pressings of Welcome To The Pleasuredome had a different tracklist from the LP and UK CD.
- The first Japanese release of (Who's Afraid Of?) The Art of Noise! replaces "Close (To The Edit)" with "Closely, Closely (Enough's Enough)" and has the 2:30 version of "Snapshot" instead of the 1:00 edit.
- And the original Japanese black-triangle pressing of Re-Works of Art of Noise has the live "Opus III" as a bonus track.
- There are two versions of Grace Jones' Slave to the Rhythm, one of which (originally intended for Germany I think) omits most of the narration and has different mixes of some tracks.
- The initial UK/Europe release of Seal's debut album has slightly different versions of many tracks and a different version altogether of "Wild".
Then:
- The US version of Yello's One Second added "Oh Yeah" (previously released on Stella).
- In addition to all the variations on the LP versions, many/most 1980s US (Capitol) pressings of The Golden Age of Wireless replaced "...Science" with the 12" version and "Windpower"/"Airwaves" with the 7" versions. But some (later?) pressings have the same mixes as the UK (EMI) CD.
- The US CD of Falco's 3 had remixes of "Rock Me Amadeus" and "Vienna Calling" in addition to the different cover art. But the German version had (has?) a nasty mastering error on "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue".
- I'm pretty sure some CD versions of Sigue Sigue Sputnik's Flaunt It have different inter-ad tracks than others, but can't confirm it.
- Depending on which pressing you have, Jean-Michel Jarre's Zoolook CD will have the original album versions of "Zoolook" and "Zoolookologie" or the single remixes. Track order is a little different too.
- Maybe not as "new wave" but the US version of Basia's Time and Tide dropped a track ("Forgive and Forget"), as did Midnight Oil's Diesel and Dust ("Gunbarrel Highway").
- US pressings of The KLF's The White Room removed the sampled crowd noise from the Stadium House tracks for copyright reasons.
Drifting into esoterica now: early pressings of many titles like Dare!, Penthouse and Pavement, Low Life, Business As Usual and Cargo, Architecture and Morality, Working With Fire and Steel, and Vienna were mastered with pre-emphasis. So keep that in mind or you're gonna have a really tinny-sounding rip! |
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bruiser
Room at the Top
751 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2012 : 20:06:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Lazlo Nibble
I'm pretty sure some CD versions of Sigue Sigue Sputnik's Flaunt It have different inter-ad tracks than others, but can't confirm it.
i am not sure about the ads, although that is ringing a bell. i DO remember a difference in samples from movies in the songs though: the UK album had the real samples, the US album had them done by voice actors/impersonators.
i think. am i high? |
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anorak
Switchin' to Glide
48 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2012 : 01:07:46
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Madonna's first album had different US/UK vinyl versions.
The UK (& Euro) pressings had the dance mix of Burning Up, the US had the shorter version that included prominent guitars. Everybody was shorter on the UK, having an earlier fade out. It was the US version that made it onto CD though.
IS THAT THE TWELVE INCH MIX ? Out late 2010 www.robgrillo.co.uk |
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obs
Room at the Top
Canada
1774 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2012 : 23:14:16
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> US pressings of The KLF's The White Room removed the sampled crowd noise from the Stadium House tracks for copyright reasons.
It also had a different version of Last Train to Trancentral. US/CA included the single/remix. |
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2012 : 06:02:57
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Drifting into esoterica now: early pressings of many titles like Dare!, Penthouse and Pavement, Low Life, Business As Usual and Cargo, Architecture and Morality, Working With Fire and Steel, and Vienna were mastered with pre-emphasis. So keep that in mind or you're gonna have a really tinny-sounding rip!
Same with Human's Lib. I used a program to "de emph" them. |
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Poyns
Running Up That Hill
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Posted - 07/30/2012 : 09:05:21
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quote:
Originally posted by humanracer
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Drifting into esoterica now: early pressings of many titles like Dare!, Penthouse and Pavement, Low Life, Business As Usual and Cargo, Architecture and Morality, Working With Fire and Steel, and Vienna were mastered with pre-emphasis. So keep that in mind or you're gonna have a really tinny-sounding rip!
Same with Human's Lib. I used a program to "de emph" them.
What does this mean? |
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soundstory
Personal Jesus
211 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 05:17:05
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quote:
Originally posted by bruiser
quote:
Originally posted by Lazlo Nibble
I'm pretty sure some CD versions of Sigue Sigue Sputnik's Flaunt It have different inter-ad tracks than others, but can't confirm it.
i am not sure about the ads, although that is ringing a bell. i DO remember a difference in samples from movies in the songs though: the UK album had the real samples, the US album had them done by voice actors/impersonators.
i think. am i high?
you are right 100% |
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soundstory
Personal Jesus
211 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 05:18:37
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| the Divinyls albums, What A Life & Temperamental had very different teacklists between the UK & Australian issues |
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Spudboy
Personal Jesus
USA
146 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 05:57:35
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Icicle Works debut album: different cover and tracklisting for the US version.
Still looking for my girl with auburn hair and tawny eyes... |
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humanracer
Personal Jesus
139 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 15:35:41
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"Some early digital recording & playback equipment, including CD players, used 14-bit converters, even though they were dealing with 16-bit audio. Some also used noisy "brick wall" filters to remove frequencies higher than the Nyquist frequency (22050 Hz). The resulting noise introduced by these converters and filters could be made relatively quiet by using pre-emphasis: boosting the signal (especially the higher frequencies) in the recording before it was put onto CD, and embedding flags in the disc's subcode to tell a CD player to apply de-emphasis on playback. Some CD players even had a de-emphasis button that could be used to manually apply de-emphasis, but now it's just a built-in feature of the analog outputs of nearly all dedicated audio CD players. By the late 1980s, pre-emphasis stopped being used because reliable 16-bit DACs with oversampling and other technologies minimized the conversion & filtering noise without the need for pre-processing the recording.
Most major-label CDs with pre-emphasis were manufactured in Japan in the early and mid-1980s. Relatively recent forum posts indicates that pre-emphasis is still used on newly manufactured CDs by some indie labels, mainly for classical titles. "
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jaybag
The Jet Set
319 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2012 : 22:35:09
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A couple I can think of:
- The U.S. version of the S/T When In Rome CD had only ten tracks, not twelve, as "Big City" and "Whatever the Weather" only appeared on the UK release. The worst thing was the version I purchased LISTED all 12 songs on the back cover but only included the 10. Oddly those two extra tracks aren't even included on the UK version of the iTunes album, so they must be pretty rare.
- The U.S. version of the Boys Don't Cry second album "Who the Am Dam do You Think We Am" had only 9 tracks while the UK version had 13, including an instrumental entitled "The Cure" (a joke on the fact that everyone thought they took their name from the famous Cure song). |
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Sean
Room at the Top
3169 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2012 : 23:00:54
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| I was lucky enough to get the When In Rome that listed the 12 tracks and had all 12. Those two tracks weren't anything to write home about but they were cool to have nonetheless. |
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