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PROPAGANDA MIXES 1984-1985

Below is the tracklist of the original LP of A Secret Wish and the various remixes taken from singles and remix albums.

I haven't included mixes produced after the original lineup disbanded but I have included mixes released afterwards that "claim" to be from the 1984-1985 period.

I haven't included the reworkings by Blank & Jones, live tracks or the demos from the Secret Tapes bootleg.

Thanks to Jonas Warstad.

Dream within a Dream 8.04
-Dream within a Dream (CD mix) 9.10
-Dream within a Dream (Version with Lippo's original mix and Dave's cross-faded intro) 9.10
-Dream Within A Dream (Within A Dream) 4:30

The Murder of Love 5.13
-Testament Three 0:25
-Loved 6.43
-The Murder of Love (Murderous Instrumental) 4.29
-Testament Two 0:28

Jewel 3.07
-Jewel (CD mix) 6.22 [= "Jewel (Cut Rough)" minus the opening sequence]
-Jewel (Rough Cut) 3.39
-Jewel (Cut Rough) 6.53
-Jewelled 7.48

Duel 4.41
-Duel (CD mix) 4.41
-Duel (Eye to Eye) 4.11
*[7" version]
-Duel (Bitter Sweet) 7.36
-Testament One 1.20
-Duel (Thirds) 4.01
*[Top of the Pops Mix]
-Duel (Voiceless) 5:00
-Do Well [The First Cut/Duel/Jewel (Cut Rough)/Wonder/Bejewelled] 20.06
*[Some of the sections were released on their own]

p: Machinery 3.50
-p: Machinery (CD mix) 3.50
*[The first 7" version]
-p: Machinery (Beta) 9.30
-p: Machinery (Beta) 7.59
*[shorter version with different intro]
-p: Machinery (Alpha) 1.59
-p: Machinery (Polish) 9.25
-p: Machinery (Passive) 3.44
-p:Machinery (The Beta Wraparound) 10.47
*[This is the 9:30 beta mix with the 1:15 reprise from the Polish mix at the end]
-p:Machinery (The Voiceless Beta Wraparound Edit) 4.25
-p:Machinery (Goodnight 32) 4.11
*[second 7" version. Also known as Reactivate]
-Machined 6.54
-p :machinery (Zbigniew Rybczynski Video Mix) 4.37
-Complete Machinery
cotaining:
1.Introduction 0.25
2.p: Machinery (Connected) 12.40
*[Connected is an exclusive mix including parts of the original p:Machinery and the Passive and Polish mixes]
3.Separation 0.20
4.Frozen Faces 5.32
-"Extracts From The Cassette Complete Machinery Including p:Machinery (Passive) And Frozen Faces" 10:57
cotaining:
1. Introduction 0:25
2. Extract from "p:Machinery (The Voiceless Beta Wraparound Edit)" 3:26
3. Separation 0:20
4. Frozen Faces 5:28
5. Reprise from "p:Machinery (Polish)" 1:13
-Thought 2.42
*[The first section, up to 2:03 is an instrumental remix of Disziplin, a Throbbing Gristle cover version. This is followed by an extract from p:machinery]

Sorry for Laughing 3.27
-Laughed 8.54
-Loving 0.46
-Testament Five 1.03
-Sorry for Laughing (Unapologetic 12") 10.12
-Sorry For Laughing (Alvin Clarke 12" Mix) 5:27

Dr. Mabuse (First Life) 4.57
-Dr. Mabuse (a paranoid fantasy) 4.16/4:20
*[Alternative names A To-Day/The First Side/7" version]
*[the European 7" fades out 4 seconds longer than the UK]
*[A 3:10 edit of this mix is rumoured to exist on 7"]
-Dr. Mabuse der Spieler (an international incident) 5.43
-Dr. Mabuse (Special Instrumental Mix) 5.18
-Dr. Mabuse (13th Life Mix) 6.34
-(The Ninth Life Of...) Dr. Mabuse 4.06
-Das Testament des Mabuse / The Third Side 10.14
-Das Testament des Dr Mabuse (DJ Promo Version) 9.52
*[same mix as Dr. Mabuse (DJ Remix)]
-Dr. Mabuse 10.41 (CD mix) [= 'Das Testament des Mabuse' (12" mix) seaged with 'Strength to Dream']
-Die Tausend Augen des Mabuse 9.47
-The Lesson 4.14
-Abuse 3.29
-Abuse 4.17
-Dr Mabuse (Outtake 24.04.85) 5.41
-Dr Mabuse (Anton Corbijn Video Mix) 4.52
-Dr Mabuse (Alternate 12" Ending) (Testament Six) 0.32
-Im Stahlnetz des Mabuse 3.16
-Dr Mabuse (12" Master Mix For Germany) 6:04
-Disturbdance Five 2:37
-Disturbdance Seven 3:14

The Chase 4.05
-Lied 2.44
-The Chase (The Goodnight Mix) 4.02
-Testament Eight 1:43

The Last Word / Strength to Dream 3.00
-Strength to Dream (Outtake 04.02.84) 2.29
-Strength to Dream (As Testament Seven) 3.17

B SIDES AND NON LP

Femme Fatale (the woman with the orchid) 3.20
-"Before You Start You Already Bleed" (Testament Four) 0.24
-Femme Fatale (The Orchid) (Piano Instrumental) 3.39

Frozen Faces (7" version) 4.21
-Frozen Faces 5.31
-(Echo of) Frozen Faces 10.19
-Frozen Faces (A Secret Sense of Rhythm) 5.09
-Frozen Faces (A Secret Sense of Sin) 5.30

Awesome share Humanracer and job well done! Will definitely save this list as reference!

Cheers

humanracer wrote:Since I couldn't find such a list anywhere, I decided to make my own. Comments and corrections welcome.

PROPAGANDA MIXES 1984-1985

Below is the tracklist of the original LP of A Secret Wish and the various remixes taken from singles and remix albums.

I haven't included mixes produced after the original lineup disbanded but I have included mixes released afterwards that "claim" to be from the 1984-1985 period.

I haven't included the reworkings by Blank & Jones, live tracks or the demos from the Secret Tapes bootleg.

Thanks to Jonas Warstad.

Dream within a Dream 8.04
-Dream within a Dream (CD mix) 9.10
-Dream within a Dream (Version with Lippo's original mix and Dave's cross-faded intro) 9.10
-Dream Within A Dream (Within A Dream) 4:30

The Murder of Love 5.13
-Testament Three 0:25
-Loved 6.43
-The Murder of Love (Murderous Instrumental) 4.29

Jewel 3.07
-Jewel (CD mix) 6.22 [= "Jewel (Cut Rough)" minus the opening sequence]
-Jewel (Rough Cut) 3.39
-Jewel (Cut Rough) 6.53
-Jewelled 7.48

Duel 4.41
-Duel (CD mix) 4.41
-Duel (7" version) 4.11
-Duel (Bitter Sweet) 7.36
-Testament One 1.20
-Duel (Thirds) 4.01 (Top of the Pops Mix)
-Duel (Voiceless) 5:00
-Do Well [The First Cut/Duel/Jewel (Cut Rough)/Wonder/Bejewelled] 20.06 some of the sections were released on their own

p: Machinery 3.50
-p: Machinery (CD mix) 3.50
-p: Machinery (Beta) 9.30
-p: Machinery (Beta) 7.59
-p: Machinery (Alpha) 1.59
-p: Machinery (Polish) 9.25
-p: Machinery (Passive) 3.44
-p:Machinery (The Beta Wraparound) 10.47
-p:Machinery (The Voiceless Beta Wraparound Edit) 4.25
- p:Machinery (Goodnight 32) 4.11
-Machined 6.54
-p :machinery (Zbigniew Rybczynski Video Mix) 4.37
-Complete Machinery cotaining:
1.Introduction 0.25
2.p: Machinery (Connected) 12.40
3.Separation 0.20
4.Frozen Faces 5.32
-Extracts From The Cassette Complete Machinery 10:57 Including p:Machinery (Passive) And Frozen Faces" containing:
1. Introduction 0:25
2. p:Machinery instrumental 3:26
3. Separation 0:20
4. Frozen Faces 5:28
5. p:Machinery (Polish) edit 1:13
note: this mix despite the title doesn't seem to include the Passive mix?

Sorry for Laughing 3.27
-Laughed 8.54
-Loving 0.46
-Testament Five 1.03
-Sorry for Laughing (Unapologetic 12") 10.12
-Sorry For Laughing (Alvin Clarke 12" Mix) 5:27

Dr. Mabuse (First Life) 4.57
-Dr. Mabuse (a paranoid fantasy) 4.15
-Dr. Mabuse der Spieler (an international incident) 5.43
-Dr. Mabuse (Special Instrumental Mix) 5.18
-Dr. Mabuse (13th Life Mix) 6.34
-(The Ninth Life Of...) Dr. Mabuse 4.06
-Das Testament des Mabuse / The Third Side 10.14
-Das Testament des Dr Mabuse (DJ Promo Version) 9.52
-Dr. Mabuse 10.41 (CD mix) [= 'Das Testament des Mabuse' (12" mix) seaged with 'Strength to Dream']
-Dr. Mabuse (DJ Remix) 9.50
-Die Tausend Augen des Mabuse 9.47
-The Lesson 4.14
-Abuse 3.29
-Abuse 4.17
-Dr Mabuse (Outtake 24.04.85) 5.41
-Dr Mabuse (Anton Corbijn Video Mix) 4.52
-Dr Mabuse (Alternate 12" Ending) (Testament Six) 0.32
-Im Stahlnetz des Mabuse 3.16
-Dr Mabuse (12" Master Mix For Germany) 6:04

The Chase 4.05
-Lied 2.44
-The Chase (The Goodnight Mix) 4.02
-Testament Eight 1:43

The Last Word / Strength to Dream 3.00
-Strength to Dream (Outtake 04.02.84) 2.29
-Strength to Dream (As Testament Seven) 3.17

B SIDES AND NON LP

Femme Fatale (the woman with the orchid) 3.20
-"Before You Start You Already Bleed" (Testament Four) 0.24
-Femme Fatale (The Orchid) (Piano Instrumental) 3.39

Frozen Faces (7" version) 4.21
-Frozen Faces 5.31
-(Echo of) Frozen Faces 10.19
-Frozen Faces (A Secret Sense of Rhythm) 5.09
-Frozen Faces (A Secret Sense of Sin) 5.30
-Disturbdance Five 2:37

Thought 2.42

Testament Two 0:28

Disturbdance Seven 3:14

Actually those Blank & Jones re-workings were well done too.

Jörg Fitzner has had a list here for ages:
http://www.soundslogic.com/fisonic/_legacy/zttvers.html

Or check out the 214 page PDF from postpunkmonk,
for a complete discography:
https://postpunkmonk.files.wordpress.co ... g_2019.pdf

He's also got several lists and reviews there:
https://postpunkmonk.com/2019/07/26/sco ... ls-part-2/

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PKPN wrote:Jörg Fitzner has had a list here for ages:
http://www.soundslogic.com/fisonic/_legacy/zttvers.html

a lot of those lists are very out of date, and not complete.
the 808 state is very old.

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negative1 wrote:Or check out the 214 page PDF from postpunkmonk,
for a complete discography:
https://postpunkmonk.files.wordpress.co ... g_2019.pdf

He's also got several lists and reviews there:
https://postpunkmonk.com/2019/07/26/sco ... ls-part-2/

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Thanks! It’s beautiful. A few mistakes thought. The passive mix is not the album mix. It’s an edit of the Polish mix.

Outside World’s Complete Machinery isn’t from the cassette. It’s the “extracts“ version from a 12”. It also isn’t extracts at all and is a different mix. That’s ZTT for you.

There was a variation with the German edition of ‘Outside World’ - it has the ‘Connected’ mix from the ‘Complete Machinery’ cassette singlette - mastered from one of the tapes, as the sleeve notes warned... https://www.discogs.com/Propaganda-Outs ... ease/82515

Yes and oddly enough that Connected mix sounds better on the Complete Machinery released on one of the ZTT compilations.

Regarding the "Extracts from Complete Machinery". It seems that instrumental part is - p-Machinery (The Voiceless Beta Wraparound Edit)

Updated first post. Thanks to those that helped.

Would anyone know what the difference is between the The Chase (The Goodnight Mix) and the album version? I can for the life of me not hear any difference.