Kraftwerk - 3d Catalog boxsets, bluray and audio, vinyl

[Barmy]

The live versions were generally just the albums (ALL of which are not that long) plus greatest hits. I really can't imagine why this project even exists. Kraftwerk LIVE on CD is just absurd on its face. I've already commented on the pointlessness of the videos.

[WLR]

Forgot to ask, where are you getting the timings from in respect of the Live Versions??

They are from the bootlegs of the paradiso concerts.

later
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So timings should be spot on. Seen those bootlegs knocking around, I presume they are audience recordings are they?

[negative1]

Forgot to ask, where are you getting the timings from in respect of the Live Versions??

They are from the bootlegs of the paradiso concerts.

later
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So timings should be spot on. Seen those bootlegs knocking around, I presume they are audience recordings are they?

yes.

later
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[negative1]

here's a comparison for 'radioactivity', this album fared much better, but is still slightly shorter:
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6. Geiger Counter (Bonus Content)
7. Radioactivity (Bonus Content)
8. Radioland (Bonus Content)
9. Airwaves (Bonus Content)
10. Intermission (Bonus Content)
11. News (Bonus Content)
12. The Voice Of Energy (Bonus Content)
13. Antenna (Bonus Content)
14. Radio Stars (Bonus Content)
15. Uranium (Bonus Content)
16. Transistor (Bonus Content)
17. Ohm Sweet Ohm (Bonus Content)


2 radioactivity
SET LIST:

01. [00:40] [intro]

02. [00:30] Geiger Counter
03. [06:28] Radioactivity
04. [05:12] Radioland
05. [06:36] Airwaves
06. [00:24] Intermission
07. [01:19] News
08. [00:49] The Voice Of Energy
09. [03:45] Antenna
10. [02:09] Radio Stars
11. [01:27] Uranium
12. [01:13] Transistor
13. [03:14] Ohm Sweet Ohm
============================
total : 33min


Side one
No. Title Writer(s) Length
-----------------------------------------------
1. "Geiger Counter" ("Geigerzähler") 1:07
2. "Radioactivity" ("Radioaktivität") 6:42
3. "Radioland" 5:50
4. "Airwaves" ("Ätherwellen") 4:40
5. "Intermission" ("Sendepause") 0:39
6. "News" ("Nachrichten") 1:17

Side two
No. Title Writer(s) Length
7. "The Voice of Energy" ("Die Stimme der Energie") 0:55
8. "Antenna" ("Antenne") 3:43
9. "Radio Stars" ("Radio Sterne") 3:35
10. "Uranium" ("Uran") 1:26
11. "Transistor" 2:15
12. "Ohm Sweet Ohm" 5:39
===========================
Total time : about 40min

so this album, might come off decent.

trans europe express is next.

later
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[WLR]

here's a comparison for 'radioactivity', this album fared much better, but is still slightly shorter:
------------------

===========

6. Geiger Counter (Bonus Content)
7. Radioactivity (Bonus Content)
8. Radioland (Bonus Content)
9. Airwaves (Bonus Content)
10. Intermission (Bonus Content)
11. News (Bonus Content)
12. The Voice Of Energy (Bonus Content)
13. Antenna (Bonus Content)
14. Radio Stars (Bonus Content)
15. Uranium (Bonus Content)
16. Transistor (Bonus Content)
17. Ohm Sweet Ohm (Bonus Content)


2 radioactivity
SET LIST:

01. [00:40] [intro]

02. [00:30] Geiger Counter
03. [06:28] Radioactivity
04. [05:12] Radioland
05. [06:36] Airwaves
06. [00:24] Intermission
07. [01:19] News
08. [00:49] The Voice Of Energy
09. [03:45] Antenna
10. [02:09] Radio Stars
11. [01:27] Uranium
12. [01:13] Transistor
13. [03:14] Ohm Sweet Ohm
============================
total : 33min


Side one
No. Title Writer(s) Length
-----------------------------------------------
1. "Geiger Counter" ("Geigerzähler") 1:07
2. "Radioactivity" ("Radioaktivität") 6:42
3. "Radioland" 5:50
4. "Airwaves" ("Ätherwellen") 4:40
5. "Intermission" ("Sendepause") 0:39
6. "News" ("Nachrichten") 1:17

Side two
No. Title Writer(s) Length
7. "The Voice of Energy" ("Die Stimme der Energie") 0:55
8. "Antenna" ("Antenne") 3:43
9. "Radio Stars" ("Radio Sterne") 3:35
10. "Uranium" ("Uran") 1:26
11. "Transistor" 2:15
12. "Ohm Sweet Ohm" 5:39
===========================
Total time : about 40min

so this album, might come off decent.

trans europe express is next.

later
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That seems better

[negative1]

for the 3rd show, this album is represented with almost all the songs,
however they are much shorter than the album versions.

3 trans europe express
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18. Trans Europe Express (Bonus Content)
19. Metal On Metal (Bonus Content)
20. Abzug (Bonus Content)
21. Franz Schubert (Bonus Content)
22. Europe Endless (Bonus Content)
23. The Hall Of Mirrors (Bonus Content)
24. Showroom Dummies (Bonus Content)



SET LIST:
live times take from Paridiso concert
============================================
01. [00:46] [intro]

02. [03:20] Trans-Europe Express
03. [00:46] Abzug
04. [03:23] Metal On Metal
05. [01:12] Franz Schubert
06. [05:57] Europe Endless
07. [05:29] The Hall Of Mirrors
08. [03:53] Showroom Dummies
============================
Total time : about 24 minutes

Side one
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
1. "Europe Endless" ("Europa Endlos") 9:40
2. "The Hall of Mirrors" ("Spiegelsaal") 7:56
3. "Showroom Dummies" ("Schaufensterpuppen") 6:15

Side two
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
4. "Trans-Europe Express" ("Trans Europa Express") 6:52
5. "Metal on Metal" ("Metall auf Metall") 2:11
6. "Abzug[a]" 4:53
7. "Franz Schubert" 4:26
8. "Endless Endless" ("Endlos Endlos") 0:55
-------------
Total time : about 43 minutes


A short review of the concert:

The show starts promptly again at 20:30 and 'Trans-Europe Express' is
performed in full. Well, I say "in full", but a little qualification is needed
here. 'Endless Endless' isn't played, but since it's just a 55 second reprise of
'Europe Endless', I doubt anyone in the audience cares.
On the other hand, whilst the 'Trans-Europe Express' album clocks in at nearly
43 minutes, this evening's rendition of it is a mere 24. 'Europe Endless' is
nearly 4 minutes shorter than on record, 'The Hall Of Mirrors' is 2 1/2 minutes
shorter, 'Showroom Dummies' 2 minutes shorter and 'Franz Schubert' reduced to
a third of its album length. Even the title track is significantly shorter
than its studio counterpart.

If you'd come specifically to hear this album, you might be left feeling a
little short-changed by this abridgement.
========================================================

later
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[WLR]

for the 3rd show, this album is represented with almost all the songs,
however they are much shorter than the album versions.

3 trans europe express
------------------------------------------------------------------
18. Trans Europe Express (Bonus Content)
19. Metal On Metal (Bonus Content)
20. Abzug (Bonus Content)
21. Franz Schubert (Bonus Content)
22. Europe Endless (Bonus Content)
23. The Hall Of Mirrors (Bonus Content)
24. Showroom Dummies (Bonus Content)



SET LIST:
live times take from Paridiso concert
============================================
01. [00:46] [intro]

02. [03:20] Trans-Europe Express
03. [00:46] Abzug
04. [03:23] Metal On Metal
05. [01:12] Franz Schubert
06. [05:57] Europe Endless
07. [05:29] The Hall Of Mirrors
08. [03:53] Showroom Dummies
============================
Total time : about 24 minutes

Side one
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
1. "Europe Endless" ("Europa Endlos") 9:40
2. "The Hall of Mirrors" ("Spiegelsaal") 7:56
3. "Showroom Dummies" ("Schaufensterpuppen") 6:15

Side two
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
4. "Trans-Europe Express" ("Trans Europa Express") 6:52
5. "Metal on Metal" ("Metall auf Metall") 2:11
6. "Abzug[a]" 4:53
7. "Franz Schubert" 4:26
8. "Endless Endless" ("Endlos Endlos") 0:55
-------------
Total time : about 43 minutes


A short review of the concert:

The show starts promptly again at 20:30 and 'Trans-Europe Express' is
performed in full. Well, I say "in full", but a little qualification is needed
here. 'Endless Endless' isn't played, but since it's just a 55 second reprise of
'Europe Endless', I doubt anyone in the audience cares.
On the other hand, whilst the 'Trans-Europe Express' album clocks in at nearly
43 minutes, this evening's rendition of it is a mere 24. 'Europe Endless' is
nearly 4 minutes shorter than on record, 'The Hall Of Mirrors' is 2 1/2 minutes
shorter, 'Showroom Dummies' 2 minutes shorter and 'Franz Schubert' reduced to
a third of its album length. Even the title track is significantly shorter
than its studio counterpart.

If you'd come specifically to hear this album, you might be left feeling a
little short-changed by this abridgement.
========================================================

later
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Blimey that is even worse than "Autobahn".......strange that still no official CD track listing has appeared?

[Barmy]

for the 3rd show, this album is represented with almost all the songs,
however they are much shorter than the album versions.

3 trans europe express
------------------------------------------------------------------
18. Trans Europe Express (Bonus Content)
19. Metal On Metal (Bonus Content)
20. Abzug (Bonus Content)
21. Franz Schubert (Bonus Content)
22. Europe Endless (Bonus Content)
23. The Hall Of Mirrors (Bonus Content)
24. Showroom Dummies (Bonus Content)



SET LIST:
live times take from Paridiso concert
============================================
01. [00:46] [intro]

02. [03:20] Trans-Europe Express
03. [00:46] Abzug
04. [03:23] Metal On Metal
05. [01:12] Franz Schubert
06. [05:57] Europe Endless
07. [05:29] The Hall Of Mirrors
08. [03:53] Showroom Dummies
============================
Total time : about 24 minutes

Side one
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
1. "Europe Endless" ("Europa Endlos") 9:40
2. "The Hall of Mirrors" ("Spiegelsaal") 7:56
3. "Showroom Dummies" ("Schaufensterpuppen") 6:15

Side two
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
4. "Trans-Europe Express" ("Trans Europa Express") 6:52
5. "Metal on Metal" ("Metall auf Metall") 2:11
6. "Abzug[a]" 4:53
7. "Franz Schubert" 4:26
8. "Endless Endless" ("Endlos Endlos") 0:55
-------------
Total time : about 43 minutes


A short review of the concert:

The show starts promptly again at 20:30 and 'Trans-Europe Express' is
performed in full. Well, I say "in full", but a little qualification is needed
here. 'Endless Endless' isn't played, but since it's just a 55 second reprise of
'Europe Endless', I doubt anyone in the audience cares.
On the other hand, whilst the 'Trans-Europe Express' album clocks in at nearly
43 minutes, this evening's rendition of it is a mere 24. 'Europe Endless' is
nearly 4 minutes shorter than on record, 'The Hall Of Mirrors' is 2 1/2 minutes
shorter, 'Showroom Dummies' 2 minutes shorter and 'Franz Schubert' reduced to
a third of its album length. Even the title track is significantly shorter
than its studio counterpart.

If you'd come specifically to hear this album, you might be left feeling a
little short-changed by this abridgement.
========================================================

later
-1

Blimey that is even worse than "Autobahn".......strange that still no official CD track listing has appeared?

This. Nuff said. Don't send money to these lazy money-grubbers.

[negative1]

next up : man machine,

this album is very well represented, but the track order is different..

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4 man machine
25. The Man Machine (Bonus Content)
26. Spacelab (Bonus Content)
27. The Model (Bonus Content)
28. Neon Lights (Bonus Content)
29. The Robots (Bonus Content)
30. Metropolis (Bonus Content)


SET LIST: from live at paridiso
-----------------------------------
01. [00:48] [intro]

02. [05:19] The Man-Machine
03. [05:28] Spacelab
04. [03:42] The Model
05. [06:01] Neon Lights
26. [07:46] The Robots
06. [05:25] Metropolis
=============================
total time : about 34 minutes


Side one
No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. "The Robots" ("Die Roboter") 6:11
2. "Spacelab" 5:51
3. "Metropolis" 5:59

Side two
No. Title Writer(s) Length
4. "The Model" ("Das Model") 3:38
5. "Neon Lights" ("Neonlicht") 9:03
6. "The Man-Machine" ("Die Mensch-Maschine") 5:28
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Total length: 36:10

here's a short review of it:
---------------------------------------------------------------
The show kicks off as punctually as ever, with 'The Man-Machine' leading the
charge. As with 'Trans-Europe Express', the playing order has been shuffled
for the live performance, but it would be quite the puritan who fretted about
such things.

'The Robots' was certainly never going to start the show, anyway, as it's
consistently saved for the first encore, when our flesh and blood friends are
replaced by their nattily dressed, youthful likenesses.

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next up : computerworld

later
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[negative1]

onto the best one of them all, computerworld..

the track order is very different too.
the album is very well represented.. however computer world 2 is left off,
and the songs are a lot shorter. an estimate for
'its more fun to compute' is 6-7 minutes.. but it's still much shorter overall..

====================================
5 computerworld

1. Numbers (Bonus Content)
2. Computer World (Bonus Content)
3. It’s More Fun To Compute (Bonus Content)
4. Home Computer (Bonus Content)
5. Computer Love (Bonus Content)
6. Pocket Calculator (Bonus Content)
7. Dentaku (Bonus Content)


SET LIST: live times from Paridiso concert
--------------------------------------------------------
01. [00:43] [intro]

02. [03:10] Numbers
03. [03:17] Computer World
04. [06:05] Home Computer
05. [05:56] Computer Love
06. [02:59] Pocket Calculator
07. [03:22] Dentaku
--------------------------------------
total time : about 23 minutes + 'its more fun to compute'

- its more fun to compute 6 minutes - Fox Theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXmYhyWKFAI

- its more fun to compute 7 minutes - Verona
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvDJSvl6iE

Side one
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
1. "Computer World" ("Computerwelt") 5:05
2. "Pocket Calculator" ("Taschenrechner") 4:55
3. "Numbers" ("Nummern") 3:19
4. "Computer World 2" ("Computerwelt 2") 3:21
Side two
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
5. "Computer Love" ("Computerliebe") 7:15
6. "Home Computer" ("Heimcomputer") Schneider 6:17
7. "It's More Fun to Compute" 4:13
===============================================================
total time : about 34 minutes


here's a review of the concert
----------------------------------------
The live execution of the 'Computer World' album omits 'Computer World 2' and
'It's More Fun To Compute'. 'Computer World 2' is basically just a reprise, so
it's not really missed, but 'It's More Fun To Compute' is arguably a more
substantial omission.One could contend that 'It's More Fun To Compute' and 'Home Computer' are
actually seamlessly blended together nowadays, but I have chosen to credit
only the latter to remain consistent with 'The Mix' and 'Minimum-Maximum'
albums, both of which also feature the segued version of the two songs, but
include only 'Home Computer' in the track listing.

The live playing order is once again not that of the album, and some of the
songs are again abbreviated, so that even with the addition of the non-album
'Dentaku' (the Japanese version of 'Pocket Calculator'), the live performance
of the album is almost a third shorter than the original. Again,
this is not an implicit complaint, but merely an observation. 'Pocket
Calculator' is a great version, even though it's been shorn of two of its five
minutes.

=========================

next up electric cafe - techno pop

later
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[WLR]

onto the best one of them all, computerworld..

the track order is very different too.
the album is very well represented.. however computer world 2 is left off,
and the songs are a lot shorter. an estimate for
'its more fun to compute' is 6-7 minutes.. but it's still much shorter overall..

====================================
5 computerworld

1. Numbers (Bonus Content)
2. Computer World (Bonus Content)
3. It’s More Fun To Compute (Bonus Content)
4. Home Computer (Bonus Content)
5. Computer Love (Bonus Content)
6. Pocket Calculator (Bonus Content)
7. Dentaku (Bonus Content)


SET LIST: live times from Paridiso concert
--------------------------------------------------------
01. [00:43] [intro]

02. [03:10] Numbers
03. [03:17] Computer World
04. [06:05] Home Computer
05. [05:56] Computer Love
06. [02:59] Pocket Calculator
07. [03:22] Dentaku
--------------------------------------
total time : about 23 minutes + 'its more fun to compute'

- its more fun to compute 6 minutes - Fox Theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXmYhyWKFAI

- its more fun to compute 7 minutes - Verona
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvDJSvl6iE

Side one
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
1. "Computer World" ("Computerwelt") 5:05
2. "Pocket Calculator" ("Taschenrechner") 4:55
3. "Numbers" ("Nummern") 3:19
4. "Computer World 2" ("Computerwelt 2") 3:21
Side two
No. Title Lyrics Music Length
5. "Computer Love" ("Computerliebe") 7:15
6. "Home Computer" ("Heimcomputer") Schneider 6:17
7. "It's More Fun to Compute" 4:13
===============================================================
total time : about 34 minutes


here's a review of the concert
----------------------------------------
The live execution of the 'Computer World' album omits 'Computer World 2' and
'It's More Fun To Compute'. 'Computer World 2' is basically just a reprise, so
it's not really missed, but 'It's More Fun To Compute' is arguably a more
substantial omission.One could contend that 'It's More Fun To Compute' and 'Home Computer' are
actually seamlessly blended together nowadays, but I have chosen to credit
only the latter to remain consistent with 'The Mix' and 'Minimum-Maximum'
albums, both of which also feature the segued version of the two songs, but
include only 'Home Computer' in the track listing.

The live playing order is once again not that of the album, and some of the
songs are again abbreviated, so that even with the addition of the non-album
'Dentaku' (the Japanese version of 'Pocket Calculator'), the live performance
of the album is almost a third shorter than the original. Again,
this is not an implicit complaint, but merely an observation. 'Pocket
Calculator' is a great version, even though it's been shorn of two of its five
minutes.

=========================

next up electric cafe - techno pop

later
-1

Another disappointment.....why oh why have they discarded "It's More Fun To Compute"? Crazy!

[negative1]

onto the best one of them all, computerworld..

the track order is very different too.
the album is very well represented.. however computer world 2 is left off,
and the songs are a lot shorter. an estimate for
'its more fun to compute' is 6-7 minutes.. but it's still much shorter overall..

====================================
5 computerworld


3. It’s More Fun To Compute (Bonus Content)



later
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Another disappointment.....why oh why have they discarded "It's More Fun To Compute"? Crazy!

They haven't, i think you misread the post. They ARE including it, i just didn't have a time from the
concert I had to give an estimate. They may not have played it that often, but it is there.

Check out the video clip links i posted to get an idea of what it will sound like.

later
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[postpunkmonk]

The only appeal any of this has for me is the notion of hearing "Trans-Europa Express" live, my favorite Kraftwerk album and the one that I never hear my favorite songs from when I see them live! Now I see that the album is truncated anyway. Sigh. I only got "Minimum/Maximum" on CD/DVD recently and that will have to do for my "live" Kraftwerk needs; unless I will be able to download "Europa Endlos," my absolute favorite Kraftwerk song. I'll never have a 3D TV or probably even Blu-Ray so there we go. No interest. Too bad Kraftwerk were completely dance oriented for the last 40 years. It's limited their development and got them trapped in a stylistic cul-de-sac.

[negative1]

electric cafe is another great album, and all the
tracks are represented in shorter form.

the track order is different of course, as they use
musique non stop as the last track in all their shows.

techno pop is severly shortened.
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6 electric cafe - techno pop

8. Electric Cafe (Bonus Content)
9. The Telephone Call (Bonus Content)
10. House Phone (Bonus Content)
11. Sex Object (Bonus Content)
12. Boing Boom Tschak (Bonus Content)
13. Techno Pop (Bonus Content)
14. Music Non Stop (Bonus Content)

SET LIST: live times from Paridiso
-------------------------------------------
01. [00:42] [intro]

02. [03:50] Electric Cafe
03. [02:44] The Telephone Call
04. [02:29] House Phone
05. [05:36] Sex Object
31. [02:33] Boing Boom Tschak
32. [02:45] Techno Pop
33. [07:54] Musique Non Stop
===========================================
total time : about 28 minutes

Electric Cafe (1986)

Side one
No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Boing Boom Tschak" 2:57
2. "Techno Pop" 7:42
3. "Musique Non-Stop" 5:45
Side two
No. Title Writer(s) Length
4. "The Telephone Call*" ("Der Telefon-Anruf") 8:03
5. "Sex Object" ("Sex Objekt") 6:51
6. "Electric Cafe" 4:20
Notes
-------------------------------------------
total time : about 35 minutes




here is a brief review of it:
-------------------------------------

The album's running order is necessarily altered tonight to allow the
aforementioned three song suite to close the show, as it always does.
Even allowing for that, however, 'Electric Cafe' is still moved to the top of the
set, whereas it comes last on the actual album.
-----------------------------------------

next up is the mix

later
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[WLR]

electric cafe is another great album, and all the
tracks are represented in shorter form.

the track order is different of course, as they use
musique non stop as the last track in all their shows.

techno pop is severly shortened.
------------------------------------------

6 electric cafe - techno pop

8. Electric Cafe (Bonus Content)
9. The Telephone Call (Bonus Content)
10. House Phone (Bonus Content)
11. Sex Object (Bonus Content)
12. Boing Boom Tschak (Bonus Content)
13. Techno Pop (Bonus Content)
14. Music Non Stop (Bonus Content)

SET LIST: live times from Paridiso
-------------------------------------------
01. [00:42] [intro]

02. [03:50] Electric Cafe
03. [02:44] The Telephone Call
04. [02:29] House Phone
05. [05:36] Sex Object
31. [02:33] Boing Boom Tschak
32. [02:45] Techno Pop
33. [07:54] Musique Non Stop
===========================================
total time : about 28 minutes

Electric Cafe (1986)

Side one
No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Boing Boom Tschak" 2:57
2. "Techno Pop" 7:42
3. "Musique Non-Stop" 5:45
Side two
No. Title Writer(s) Length
4. "The Telephone Call*" ("Der Telefon-Anruf") 8:03
5. "Sex Object" ("Sex Objekt") 6:51
6. "Electric Cafe" 4:20
Notes
-------------------------------------------
total time : about 35 minutes




here is a brief review of it:
-------------------------------------

The album's running order is necessarily altered tonight to allow the
aforementioned three song suite to close the show, as it always does.
Even allowing for that, however, 'Electric Cafe' is still moved to the top of the
set, whereas it comes last on the actual album.
-----------------------------------------

next up is the mix

later
-1

Thanks for the clarification on the "Computer World" album, "I love "Electric Cafe", the best sounding Kraftwerk album for me, again disappointed that they have truncated this one quite a bit.

.....I still can't find an official track listing for the CD's!!