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The Cars remasters


Re: The Cars remasters

Postby obs » Wed May 24, 2017 1:17 am

ABOATES wrote:Someone likes old Furs someone likes new Furs someone still thinks the Furs are relevant... that's based on like or not like..completely subjective.


It was just that the dude said that I was part of the problem ... 30+ years after the fact :D . If it were still the 80s, then maybe his statement would have been valid.

BTW, I always get a kick out of people who claim that Ministry's Twitch isn't industrial :D .
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby ABOATES » Wed May 24, 2017 4:58 am

I am a noob here...have hovered in the background for years, so i do not know anyone from anyone else...I'm not trying to start my posting here in a negative light at all..I have been a NW fan really since I discovered Devo in 1979...I don't like all NW bands...particularly the poppy ones...I lean more towards the Fad Gadget, 1980s Depeche Mode, 70s/80s Kraftwerk, Talking Heads, Brian Eno, Cluster, Talk Talk, China Crisis and some post-punk stuff Echo, The Chameleons, The Church...stuff like that. I was just simply surprised to see someone say The Cars weren't NW...like, what the heck... I mean you can like them or not like them, but you can't change facts just because it suits you. Frankly, The Police and the Go Gos were also totally New Wave bands when they started out. There is not a debate. Anyway... it's all good...
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby MissingPersons » Wed May 24, 2017 9:18 am

Anyway since we talk about The Cars here...what Ric Ocasek is meaning by his lyrics sometimes?


i get rhythm
i get Cornflakes
i get fast love
i get wasted

Cornflakes...WTF?

or...

the seven floors of walkup
the odor musted cracks
the peeping keyhole introverts
with the monkeys on their backs


Since Shake It Up he stopped using those quirky lyrics he used to in the first three albums.
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby ABOATES » Wed May 24, 2017 2:39 pm

Some goofball cheesy lyrics for sure!
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby MrOktober » Wed May 24, 2017 4:08 pm

obs wrote:Geez, you guys are arguing about shit from 30 years ago?





That's why the internet is great! Who else would even care about this?

Hopefully in 20 years we'll still be around to argue about shit from 50 years ago.
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby ABOATES » Wed May 24, 2017 4:47 pm

The site itself is called New Wave...New wave by definition is a long time ago.
Also, if someone said to me in person that The Cars weren't New Wave, I would disagree with them too. :-)
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby MrOktober » Wed May 24, 2017 5:22 pm

If I even met someone who knew enough about new wave to discuss whether or not The Cars qualified as such I would be quite pleased. And, count me as one who believes The Cars were at least partly new wave although they also were part rock, as I remember kids in junior high who liked Rush and Journey who also liked The Cars :)
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby ABOATES » Thu May 25, 2017 3:55 am

I agree...they were one of those bands that had crossover appeal for sure. They were played on MOR as well as alternative stations. Also, later, they were on top 40 radio with hits like Magic, You Might think, and Drive. They were a hybrid rock group...but the spiky hair, new romantic clothing, obtuse lyrics, synths/electronics, aloof stage presence...etc. surely set them apart from bands like Foreigner/Styx/Journey..maybe slightly less musically than the actual presentation.
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby MissingPersons » Fri May 26, 2017 2:01 am

The Cars were much closer to Foreigner than Journey (pre-Steve Perry era) or Styx. Especially Styx were much more "serious". The only thing that set The Cars apart from Foreigner was Stage Presence/Vocal Style, imo.
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby ABOATES » Fri May 26, 2017 4:17 am

I suppose I can hear some similarity (both bands have guitars that have a "70s" vibe to them)...but not very much... the look, the sound, the lyrical content, the style...totally different to me. But I do see your point....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81-ph0YYLOE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7lTFzdSn0
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby FanFan » Sun May 28, 2017 7:51 am

I doubt that I can reignite this conversation, but just wanted to add that The Cars were definitely considered New Wave within the industry — which was a great thing for the broad genre, since plenty of failed (but great) acts popular on this forum then got record deals. Same goes for The Pretenders.
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby profil » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:21 am

I love the early years of The Cars – and Candy-O is one of my all-time favourite albums.

And yes - during the era of their first three or four albums (1978-1981) we called their music New Wave based on their attitude, outfit and their heavily synth-based sound at least starting with their second album.
And yes - I already bought the box-set last year, but as I have waited so long to get some additional tracks associated with their early albums I’m more than glad and have already ordered Candy-O and Panorama as cd and vinyl – again :lol:
These album covers look gorgeous.
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby negative1 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:31 pm

I'm not changing my mind anytime soon.

I'll just let Ric Ocasek say it for me:
===================================================
From the 'just what i needed' boxset booklet:
==================================================================
The name of Ocasek’s first post-
Milkwood band was supplied by one of his
musical heroes, Modern Lovers leader
Jonathan Richman. Ocasek mentioned that
he was putting together a rock ’n’ roll
band
, and Richman replied, “Then you’ve
got to call it Richard & The Rabbits.” So he
did, and that band hit the clubs with Orr
and Hawkes in tow.
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Elliot Easton:
“We were walking a fine line, and it
contributed a great deal to the success of
the band,” notes lead guitarist Elliot
Easton. “The Cars would have that one
record in a punk rocker’s collection that
was just a little right of center. And it might
be that one record for mainstream fans
who thought they were being really punky.
We managed to span those two audiences.
It’s not something you can calculate, just
that we had the songs. And we really had
great songs.”


A description of their themes:
Of course, a smart, idiosyncratic
band needs material to match; and song-
writer Ric Ocasek supplied that by the
trunk load. Informed by Beat poetry and
steeped in rock ’n’ roll tradition, Ocasek’s
songs were as literate as they were acces-
sible. And for all his Kerouac-inspired
leanings, Ocasek never failed to address
the things that really mattered — girls, fast
cars, and nightlife; girls, reckless
romance, and girls.


Making their first appearance here
are two songs from the 1977 demo session
that were never officially released, or even
bootlegged, during the band’s lifetime.
“Take Me Now” is the first in a string of
moody, hypnotic Cars ballads, while “Cool
Fool” catches them in full-throttle rock ’n’
roll mode
. It’s the only Cars song to sport
an Ocasek/Easton writing credit; Easton’s
writing wouldn’t be heard again until his
one solo album in 1984. “It would have
been harder to do within the group,” he
says. “Ric’s writing was so stylized and
idiosyncratic that every time I tried to
write for The Cars, I’d be trying to write a
Ric Ocasek song.”



Hawkes:
“There was definitely a little self-con-
scious irony in there,” says Hawkes, who
usually cowrote one song per album. “We
started out wanting to be electric and
straight-ahead rock
, and it turned into an
artier kind of thing.”



I've digitized and OCR'ed the booklet into Word, text, epub, and PDF if you're interested.
I can post some more text also.

So basically
==============================
- no new wave themes in their songs
- no recognition as a new wave band (tours, reunions, festivals, or even on compilations)
- 1 12" inch remix of hello again, barely any b-sides
- standard rock videos
- recognition by rock'n'roll hall of fame (although they allow folk, rap, etc)

Yeah, i'm not buying it, even when the band doesn't even think that new wave means anything.

You can claim keyboards all you want,
but then pink floyd, supertramp, elo, rush, styx, van halen, yes all would have to be new wave also..

van halem - 1984
supertramp - breakfast in america
elo - discovery
rush - signals
yes - 90125 - possibly new wave, and the album after it
styx - mr roboto - possibly new wave.
etc

later
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby ABOATES » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:45 pm

Start at 3:00 minute mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8P_rIowJCA


Ric Ocasek refers to his own band from his own mouth... "...New Wave band..."

btw New Wave was a style of rock music. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Re: The Cars remasters

Postby MissingPersons » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:52 am

Here's another article about Foreigner's Hot Blooded and The Cars' Just What I Needed (pages 30-31):


https://books.google.gr/books?id=-MVrM3 ... page&q=the cars foreigner new wave&f=false

It explains somehow, why The Cars were New Wave unlike Foreigner. It says that Foreigner had blues influences, while The Cars hadn't. And also it was about their dressing style.
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