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Re-issue coming in December. One more album off the wish list!

https://www.discogs.com/Trees-Sleep-Con ... e/10924664

This is not an official CD. I know because this is the album that I submitted to license from Universal back in September and I have been in touch with the artist. For anyone wanting this album, best to hold off from this bootleg because if my license request goes through I will be sourcing original studio master tapes and am even aware, courtesy of the artists wife, of outtakes that may be included.

Rubellan wrote:This is not an official CD. I know because this is the album that I submitted to license from Universal back in September and I have been in touch with the artist. For anyone wanting this album, best to hold off from this bootleg because if my license request goes through I will be sourcing original studio master tapes and am even aware, courtesy of the artists wife, of outtakes that may be included.

That's great news but I'll buy the bootleg one for now & once your remastered one is released will buy that too.

Agree with the above. First in wins the game. Thanks for the info.

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It's already blocked from sale at discogs.com

Yes, we managed to get it blocked. I'm not messing around after all of that Altered Images box set nonsense that caused me to (foolishly) cancel my reissue plans. I'm not about to let some bootleg steal the thunder of my potential official release next year. I'm going to be having a discussion soon with Dane Conover of Trees about the bonus material he has from that era that I could include as bonus tracks once Universal provide me a quote for the album. Dane also posted a comment on the Discogs page regarding that Singapore CD.

Wow! I am floored! This is hypocrisy at it's finest.
Scott have you forgotten your humble beginnings?
I've bought Bootlegs and CD-Rs from several people on NWO and discogs.com over the years.
What about the sale of used CDs?
The record companies and the artists don't see a dime from those sales, while the re-seller site makes a commission.

I wasn't going to buy the Trees "Sleep Convention" CD/Bootleg but now I think I will out of protest of these strong-arm tactics.

I've have a box of over 300 CDs many rare and oop. I was going to list on discogs.com. Not any more. I'm deleting my account with discogs.com and never buying a CD from the site again. I will pay the higher commission fees at amazon.com out of spite.

discoginfo wrote:It's already blocked from sale at discogs.com

Rubellan wrote:Yes, we managed to get it blocked. I'm not messing around after all of that Altered Images box set nonsense that caused me to (foolishly) cancel my reissue plans. I'm not about to let some bootleg steal the thunder of my potential official release next year. I'm going to be having a discussion soon with Dane Conover of Trees about the bonus material he has from that era that I could include as bonus tracks once Universal provide me a quote for the album. Dane also posted a comment on the Discogs page regarding that Singapore CD.

You bought CD's from me, what, 15-20 years ago? It's called growing up. I'm not a twenty something struggling through college anymore. I'm trying to start a legit business that is going to get the artist royalties and fans access to CD's produced from masters. Plenty of people can bootleg all they want but if I'm going to be paying thousands of dollars to Universal and working directly with the artist on this release (which was in progress before my less than pleasant dealings with another artist), then I should ensure that my OFFICIAL release is the one people purchase. There was nothing on that listing indicating that it was a bootleg CD to potential buyers. I never tried to be sneaky to people who received my CD's all those years ago, so spare me. Plus, I was ONLY offering things not on CD, and as soon as it would come into print I would no longer offer it. Give that attitude back to Barmy please.

Sometimes it's difficult for people to admit they screwed up.
I could care less that you are upset and decide to get personal.
You used strong-arm techniques justified by sanctimony.
That "Bootleg" wouldn't affected the sales of your superior product,
but you were overcome with fear and had to annihilate the so called competition.

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You've really shown your true colors today.
The process of Rationalization is the currency of the world and you are a wealthy man.

I like New Wave music because it has an honesty and an integrity to it.
I'm just glad you are a knob-tweeker and not a musician.

Rubellan wrote:Yes, we managed to get it blocked. I'm not messing around after all of that Altered Images box set nonsense that caused me to (foolishly) cancel my reissue plans. I'm not about to let some bootleg steal the thunder of my potential official release next year. I'm going to be having a discussion soon with Dane Conover of Trees about the bonus material he has from that era that I could include as bonus tracks once Universal provide me a quote for the album. Dane also posted a comment on the Discogs page regarding that Singapore CD.

You are probably not even aware that there are other ways to buy that bootleg CD, so blocking it on Discogs won't do anything. When I receive my copy in mail, I'll let you guys know how it sounds.

I'm very aware there are other ways (as indicated in my response about the unnamed veteran bootlegger). But Discogs is a very high profile marketplace so it will definitely limit some of the purchases for people who aren't necessarily searching for it. The attempted deceptiveness of the seller trying to pawn it off as an official release is just wrong, and had I unknowingly bought the CD only to find it's some novices vinyl rip would have definitely pissed me off.

Rubellan wrote:I'm very aware there are other ways (as indicated in my response about the unnamed veteran bootlegger). But Discogs is a very high profile marketplace so it will definitely limit some of the purchases for people who aren't necessarily searching for it. The attempted deceptiveness of the seller trying to pawn it off as an official release is just wrong, and had I unknowingly bought the CD only to find it's some novices vinyl rip would have definitely pissed me off.

What are the odds that you and Dane could get this released? Any roadblocks through Universal that might derail the project?