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Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue


Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby Thefxc2 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:40 am

Pylon records is on a roll lately: Nitzer Ebb, Xymox, and now they're doing a 2CD reissue of Red Flag's Naive Art:

http://pylonrecords.com/DetailRedflagCD.html

Looks like everything from the album and the Naive Dance comp, plus some B-sides and mixes from the 'Broken Heart' and 'All Roads Lead To You' singles.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby discoginfo » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:41 pm

Great news! I'm pretty sure some mixes will be missing by necessity, as there were many, especially on vinyl.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby negative1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:55 am

no, just no.

yes, i know its not economical.

but try to get it right. it will take 3/4 discs to properly
do the mixes.

if you're going 2cd, pick out the rare mixes, and not
just the plain ones.

ughh.

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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby ABOATES » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:06 am

I think it's hilarious that two of the biggest Depeche Mode copy bands of all time are releasing remastered albums at the same time. While neither Camouflage nor Red Flag were horrible, I always kind've laughed at them because it was so obvious how much they were trying to copy D Mode and how so far away from that level they really were. Two other bands I would put in the same basic boat would be Celebrate the Nun and Cause and Effect. Sorry to be negative about albums that some seem excited about, but to me that were all wannabees.
I do think that Camouflage's second album (produced by Dan Lacksman of Telex fame) was half decent though.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby postpunkmonk » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:35 pm

ABOATES wrote:I think it's hilarious that two of the biggest Depeche Mode copy bands of all time are releasing remastered albums at the same time. While neither Camouflage nor Red Flag were horrible, I always kind've laughed at them because it was so obvious how much they were trying to copy D Mode and how so far away from that level they really were. Two other bands I would put in the same basic boat would be Celebrate the Nun and Cause and Effect. Sorry to be negative about albums that some seem excited about, but to me that were all wannabees.


Right there with you. I remember hearing Red Flag's "Russian Radio" single on the radio and wondering "where did this obscure and mediocre Depeche Mode song originate?" I collected DM at the time and was stymied. I found and bought a copy of the CD single but only held onto it for a few years before trading it in. I see some people were willing to pay far more than the $2.00 trade value I got at the time for it.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby negative1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:04 pm

and yet,

some camouflage, red flag, and celebrate the nun singles
(and ceta javu) go for hundreds of dollars with synthpop fans.

i like them as depeche mode clones.

they got interesting when they tried not to be copycats, and clones.

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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby ABOATES » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:32 pm

No. It's cool...I have the first two Camouflage records. Can't say I listen to them often, but when I do, I enjoy them. I just found the timing of the re-releases kind've funny, that's all....
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby Sean » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:43 pm

What would be awesome is if they put the tracks from the vinyl album on cd.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby humanracer » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:28 am

Album is not very original but still good.
I prefer Moskwa TV.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby discoginfo » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:24 pm

As far as I have been able to analyze, here are all non-LP mixes/tracks:

1988 - Broken Heart 12"

Broken Heart (Extended Remix) 5.41 [remix by Don Nedler/Karl Moet]
Broken Heart (U.K. Remix) 5.16 [remix by Jon St. James]
Re-Broken 0.59
Broken Heart (Radio Edit) 3.50
Control 5.30

1988 - Russian Radio

Russian Radio (Radio Edit) 3.30
Russian Radio (Fresh Radio Mix) 3.42
Russian Radio (Glasnost Club Mix) 7.28 [remix by Paul Robb]
Russian Radio (Tremont And Webster Mix) 4.40 [remix by Paul Robb]

1989 - Russian Radio [Razormaid Remixes]

Russian Radio (Razormaid Club Mix) 6.13
Russian Radio (Razormaid Fresh Radio Mix) 3.42
Russian Radio (Razormaid 12" Dub Mix) 6.44

NAIVE ART CD Bonus tracks:

If I Ever (Extended Remix) 6.31
Broken Heart (Razormaid Dub) 6.01
Rain 5.11 [unlisted and untitled piano-and-vocals-only remix]

1989 - If I Ever 12"

If I Ever (12" Dance Mix) 6.51
If I Ever (Instrumental) 4.44 [actually 6.48]
If I Ever (Dub Mix) 6.39
If I Ever (The 1000 Years Mix) 6.35
If I Ever (Thepsychoacidicfantasy Dub) 5.35
If I Ever (Hot Radio Mix) 3.51

1989 - All Roads Lead to You 12"

All Roads Lead To You (After Hours Mix) 6.13
All Roads Lead To You (After Hours Radio Mix) 4.35
All Roads Lead To You (After Hours Instrumental Mix) 4.35
All Roads Lead To You (Heart of Darkness Mix) 4.05
All Roads Lead To You (Heart of Dubness Mix) 4.05

1990 - Count to Three 12"

Count to Three (Power Mix) 6.59 [remix by Danny Tenaglia]
Give Me Your Hand (Razormaid Mix) 6.53
Count to Three (Razormaid Remix) 6.49
Count to Three (House Mix) 7.35 [remix by Danny Tenaglia]
Count to Three (House Dub) 6.07 [remix by Danny Tenaglia]
Count To Three (7" Edit) 4.22

1990 NAÏVE DANCE - Unique mixes

Pretty in Pity (Painless Mix) 4.34 [remix by Jon St. James]
If I Ever (Razormaid Mix) 6.51 [remix by Joseph Watt] [previously unreleased]

2001 CD bonus tracks:
Black Rose 3.49 [previously unreleased]
Lovers Unite 4.49 [previously unreleased]
Russian Radio (Siebold Mix) 5.16 [remix by Siebold] [previously unreleased]
Russian Radio (Decade Mix) 4.55 [remix by Red Flag] [previously unreleased]

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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby VicT » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 pm

Just listen to the 3rd Camouflage LP - "Meanwhile". It was two years ahead SOFAD of DM and full of acoustic instruments - guitars, drums, electric violin almost all the way through. Nothing in common with DM. Then 1995, "Spice Crackers" - once again nothing in common with what DM were doing in the 90s. And, finally, how can you can compare "Spirit" and "Greyscale" - two very different things: lush, diverse and orchestrated top-notch production of Camouflage vs clanky lo-fi electro-blues of DM. I saw the bands playing live a lot of times from 2001 and own all of their LPs and would say that they're very different to each other expect for the debut Camouflage album which was definitely inspired by DM.

When it comes to Red Flag, and wouldn't say RF also has their bright moments and can't be compared directly to DM - just have a listen to "Lighthouse" for example.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby Sean » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:49 pm

humanracer wrote:Album is not very original but still good.
I prefer Moskwa TV.


Would love a Moskwa TV compilation of all their tracks from their 12 inches. I have asked around to see if anyone would be interested in doing that but Moskwa TV doesn't seem to get anyone really excited. They never seem to fit to any of the reissue label release plans. I was hoping it would happen with the Westside resurgence from several years ago but that resurgence ended really quickly. Blank & Jones, being that they are also German, would be another possibility but commercially, Moskwa TV was never really recognized. If the tracks don't show up on the compilations, it's a slim a chance they will get an individual compilation. Anyways, still hoping for it to happen.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby Thefxc2 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:56 pm

Sean wrote:Would love a Moskwa TV compilation of all their tracks from their 12 inches. I have asked around to see if anyone would be interested in doing that but Moskwa TV doesn't seem to get anyone really excited. They never seem to fit to any of the reissue label release plans. I was hoping it would happen with the Westside resurgence from several years ago but that resurgence ended really quickly. Blank & Jones, being that they are also German, would be another possibility but commercially, Moskwa TV was never really recognized. If the tracks don't show up on the compilations, it's a slim a chance they will get an individual compilation. Anyways, still hoping for it to happen.


I still hold out hope that Infacted might do Moskwa TV as part of their Classixx series...they've done some related and semi-related bands like Axodry and Robotiko Rejecto, so they're already in the ballpark.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby Sean » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:27 am

I have suggested that and others to Torben. He’s come through with most of my request except Moskwa TV and Microchip League “Code Numbers”.
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Re: Red Flag: Naive Art 2CD/LP reissue

Postby djKLANGkrieg » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:46 am

Sean wrote:I have suggested that and others to Torben. He’s come through with most of my request except Moskwa TV and Microchip League “Code Numbers”.


Yes “Code Numbers”! Plus, they have other stuff that's never been released you could add. (I wanted to suggest that for Rubellan Remasters, but I was too lazy.) Also, Rheingold, "Distanz", has never been on CD, so that would be good, too.
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