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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby humanracer » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:48 am

I have updated the list and also put in bold what has not been released on CD yet.

Virgin was a great label so anything called the Virgin Years is bound to be good. Japan next maybe?

It would have been better maybe had they just done 2 CD deluxes of the first three albums. The China Crisis ones were really good, missing very few tracks.

I don't think the Lady Ice remix will be on there because when I alerted Glenn to it some years ago he had no idea it existed. I can't honestly hear the difference anyway between that and the album version.

You will have to weight up whether the extra non CD tracks, mostly instrumentals, will be worth this deluxe edition. Also I want to know if they are sourced from masters. They fact they were left off previous deluxes makes me think the masters might be lost.

Here is MY OWN TRACKLISTING. I haven't included the actual albums, just the bonus tracks.

PENTHOUSE & PAVEMENT:

I have only included BEF stuff where it appears on a Heaven 17 release.
As far as I know, there isn't a real 7" version of Facist Groove Thang.

(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Censored Version)
B.E.F.: Ident 1 0.35
B.E.F.: Decline of the West 7.15
I'm Your Money 7" 3.17
Are Everything 7" 3.04
Play To Win 7" 3:24
Play (instrumental) 7" 3:36
Penthouse and Pavement 7" edit 4.02
Penthouse and Pavement [Instrumental - fade-out] 4.35
B.E.F.: Groove Thang 4.06
B.E.F.: Honeymoon in New York 2.12
I'm Your Money (12" Version) 5.09
B.E.F. Ident 2 0.35
Are Everything (12" Version) 4.26 [B-side 12" I'm Your Money]
Play To Win 12" 7.29
Play To Win [edited 1981 12" mix] 5.02 - from ENDLESS
Play (instrumental) 12" 8.30
Penthouse and Pavement [Extended] 6.57
Penthouse and Pavement [Instrumental - full length]
At the Height of the Fighting (He-La-Hu!) (1982 remix) 2.55
He-La-Hu [Instrumental 1982 12" remix] 2.55

1980 Demos:

Penthouse and Pavement (Original Demo) 5.31
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Original Demo) 4.37
Play To Win (Original Demo Instrumental) 3.27
Soul Warfare (Original Demo) 3.55
Are Everything (Original Demo) 3.07
B.E.F. Ident (Alternate Version) 0.29
B.E.F.: Decline of the West (Alternate Version) 7.19
B.E.F.: Rise of the East (Alternate Version) 5.01
B.E.F.: Music To Kill Your Parents By (Alternate Version) 1.21
B.E.F.: Uptown Apocalypse (Alternate Version) 3.02
B.E.F.: A Baby Called Billy (Alternate Version) 2.49
Rhythmic Experiment 1 (2.00)
Rhythmic Experiment 2 (0.51)
Boys of Buddha Experiment 0.23
At the Height of the Fighting (Original Rhythm Track) 0.43
Rhythmic Loop Experiment 3.48
Funky Experiment 0.44
Song Experiment 2.59
Heavy Drum Experiment 0.31
Play To Win (Original Demo with Vocals) 3.31

LUXURY GAP
Let Me Go! (US edit) 4.13
Let Me Go! (Instrumental) 4.59
Temptation (single version) 3.08
We Live So Fast 3.50 [Special B-side Remix]
Come Live with Me 3.35
Let's All Make a Bomb (New Version) 5.07
Song with No Name (New Version) 4.13
Crushed by the Wheels of Industry (part one) 3.34
Crushed by the Wheels of Industry (part two) 3.15
Let Me Go! (Extended) 6.22
Let Me Go! (Extended Instrumental) 6.23
Temptation (Special Dance Mix) 4.37
Who'll Stop the Rain (Special Dance Mix) 6.12
Who'll Stop The Rain (Dub) 06:15
Who'll Stop The Rain (Dub) Instrumental 06:50
We Live So Fast (Special Dance Mix) 6.01
Come Live with Me 4.33 [12" version] - longer than album version
Crushed by the Wheels of Industry (part I + II uninterrupted) 6.57
Crushed by the Wheels of Industry (Extended Dance Version) 6.17
Temptation (Backing Track)
Come Live With Me (Backing Track)
Temptation (demo)
Lady Ice & Mr Hex (remix)


HOW MEN ARE
Chase Runner 2.59
Counterforce 2.59
Counterforce II 3.08
Flamedown 3.14 (slightly longer b side version)
This Is Mine (single version) 3.20
Skin 3.40
Mine 5.10
..(And That's No Lie) 3.25 (single version)
(And That's No Lie) (album version edit from Higher & Higher compilation)
The Fuse 3.53 (slightly longer b side version)
Sunset Now (Extended Version) 5.21
Sunset Now (instrumental)5:21
This Is Mine (Extended Version) 5.30
This Is Mine (Filmix) 7.18
This Is Mine (Cinemix) 7.25
This Is Mine (Cinemix) 8:56
(And That's No Lie) (Re-mixed To Enhance Danceability) 6.10
Sunset Now (Full Length Version)5:15
The Fuse (Full Length Version) 5:26
Flamedown (Full Length Version)4:01
Reputation (Full Length Version) 3:26
The Heaven 17 Megamix (Remix by Sanny X) 8.25

Instrumental demos:
1 Totgagol (The Skin I'm In).mp3
2 Jazz Song (Reputation).mp3
3 Blood Feud (Five Minutes To Midnight).mp3
4 Starwalk (Sunset Now).mp3
5 Strange Tales (Shame Is On The Rocks).mp3
6 Evereddi (This Is Mine).mp3
7 Commador (The Fuse).mp3
8 Itser (And That's No Lie).mp3
9 Recharge (Flamedown).mp3

ENDLESS/PLEASURE ONE/TEDDY BEAR, DUKE & PYSCHO
Let Me Go 6.47 [12" version - 1986 remix]
Penthouse & Pavement 6.33 [remix by John Potoker]
The Height of the Fighting (He-La-Hu) 3.06 [1986 remix of 1982 remix]
Heaven 17 Megamix 7.50 [edit]
The Foolish Thing To Do (Version 1) 3.37
My Sensitivity (Gets in the way) 3.32
The Foolish Thing To Do (Instrumental)
The Foolish Thing To Do (Version 2)
Contenders (single version) 4.29
Contenders (instrumental) 5.19
Excerpts from "Diary of a Contender" 5.24
Contenders (Dance Version) 6.23
(Big) Trouble 5.49
Trouble (U.S. Club Mix) [remix by Bruce Forest]
Contenders (U.S. Club Mix) [remix by Bruce Forest]
The Ballad Of Go Go Brown (Extended Version) 4.37
The Ballad of Go Go Brown (Version) 4.29
Train of Love in Motion (7" Version) 3.27
Train of Love in Motion (The Mainline Mix) 5.58

1992/1993 MIXES
Temptation (Brothers in Rhythm Remix Edit) 4.01
Temptation (Brothers in Rhythm Remix) 6.56
Temptation (7" Backing Track) 4.00
Temptation (Brothers in Rhythm Instrumental) 4.00
Temptation (Orchestral Theme from Temptation) 3.55
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Rapino Edit) 4.15
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Democratic Edit) 4.34
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Rapino Club Mix) 5.56
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Democratic Rapino) 6.04
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Democratic Instrumental) 5.57
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Rapino Instrumental)
Penthouse and Pavement (Tommy D's Master Edit) 3.58
Penthouse and Pavement (Tommy D's Master Remix) 7.04
Penthouse and Pavement (D's Super Disco Dub Mix) 5.36
Penthouse And Pavement (Mr Big Buckles And His Amazing Ride)
Let Me Go ("Hon, Its Flawless" Mix)
Let Me Go (I Trance Alone Mix)
Let Me Go (Let Me House You)
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby ZippY » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:14 am

negative1 wrote:
ZippY wrote:
df118 wrote:Soul Warfare (Instrumental) [I know it was a Hot Gossip b-side release, but it's basically the album instrumental]
Lady Ice & Mr Hex (Remix)
This Is Mine (Cinemix) 8:56


I would be happy if they left off 'edit's, but included 'version's. I'm also hoping a full instrumental of Let Me Go 12" appears.


You mean this one:
https://www.discogs.com/Heaven-17-Let-M ... se/1608933

I remember having a mixtape with this version on it. Indeed it is not released on CD yet. Some US 12'' Promo vinyl even had a dub version of Let Me Go, but I can't confirm this because it can also be the edited instrumental version of 4:59min:
https://www.discogs.com/Heaven-17-Let-M ... ase/123502

Someone who knows if there's a dub mix/version in existence?


the dub is the same as the instrumental, check youtube.

we had a long discussion and list of heaven 17 mixes here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41257&hilit=heaven+17&start=15#p371055

still have to update and fix tracks and times.

later
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Thanks for clearing this out. Only thing is: the dub mix seems to be a few seconds shorter that the instrumental version (7 inch that is).
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby humanracer » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:58 am

Thanks for clearing this out. Only thing is: the dub mix seems to be a few seconds shorter that the instrumental version (7 inch that is).


It's the same song but the Dub mix, on both the Deluxe CD (titled instrumental there) and the vinyl rip by DJPaul, plays faster than the instrumental mix.

Or it could be that all the vinyl rips of the instrumental mix play slow. I have only compared a few.
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby humanracer » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:10 pm

On a similar note however I just realised that the dub mix and instrumental of Who'll Stop The Rain is different. The dub mix has more vocals and is shorter. I have amended my list. The instrumental can be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsQwPSAvA74
I am assuming this is the 06:50 labelled as a dub version found on the US 12"

Dub mixes and instrumentals are usually different - I found out recently with Alphaville's Red Rose which had the same duration for both dub and instrumental but they are different.

It does have me wondering about Let Me Go Again. I would be curious to hear the so called full instrumental.

My theory is that the dub of LMG should be different but they put the instrumental on the US promo by mistake. The Dub would likely have more vocals, including the chorus.
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby humanracer » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:16 pm

Also added US edit of Let Me Go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvjP3hsrho
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby ZippY » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:49 pm

humanracer wrote:On a similar note however I just realised that the dub mix and instrumental of Who'll Stop The Rain is different. The dub mix has more vocals and is shorter. I have amended my list. The instrumental can be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsQwPSAvA74
I am assuming this is the 06:50 labelled as a dub version found on the US 12"

Dub mixes and instrumentals are usually different - I found out recently with Alphaville's Red Rose which had the same duration for both dub and instrumental but they are different.

It does have me wondering about Let Me Go Again. I would be curious to hear the so called full instrumental.

My theory is that the dub of LMG should be different but they put the instrumental on the US promo by mistake. The Dub would likely have more vocals, including the chorus.


Thank you anyway!

Now, wouldn't it be cool if we find out that there's gonna be a real 1982 "Dub Mix" of LMG on the boxset ... which is 4:50min. ... or even longer ... or 2 versions, a short and a long mix which are both different. :)
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby df118 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:39 pm

There are very distinct differences to the Lady Ice & Mr Hex Remix.

http://www.muzines.co.uk/mags/es/85/04/755

https://archive.org/details/ecsm-07-1985-04

I hope there is a copy in Martyn's vault. He seems to have found plenty of stuff for the previous box set/digital reissues.
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby BigManRestless » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 am

Track list is up...first thing I can see is missing (STILL!) is the 7" version of We Live So Fast. ARGH!!!!

Play to Win: The Virgin Years – 10CD box set

CD 1: PENTHOUSE AND PAVEMENT

Pavement Side

(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang
Penthouse And Pavement
Play To Win
Soul Warfare
Penthouse Side

Geisha Boys And Temple Girls
Let’s All Make A Bomb
The Height Of The Fighting
Song With No Name
We’re Going To Live For A Very Long Time
Bonus tracks – A-Sides

(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [7” version]
I’m Your Money
Play To Win [7” version]
Penthouse And Pavement [7” version]
The Height Of The Fighting (He-La-Hu)
Bonus tracks – B-Sides

The Decline Of The West [by B.E.F]
B.E.F. Ident [by B.E.F]
Are Everything
Play
Honeymoon In New York [by B.E.F]
He-La-Hu*
CD 2: THE LUXURY GAP

Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry
Who’ll Stop The Rain
Let Me Go
Key To The World
Temptation
Come Live With Me
Lady Ice And Mr Hex
We Live So Fast
The Best Kept Secret
Bonus tracks – A-Sides

Let Me Go [US 7” version]
Temptation [7” version]
Come Live With Me [7” version]
Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry (Part 1)
Bonus tracks – B-Sides

Let Me Go [instrumental]
Let’s All Make A Bomb [new version]
Song With No Name [new version]
Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry (Part 2)
CD 3: HOW MEN ARE

Five Minutes To Midnight
Sunset Now
This Is Mine
The Fuse
Shame Is On The Rocks
The Skin I’m In
Flamedown
Reputation
And That’s No Lie
Bonus tracks – A-Sides

This Is Mine [7” version]
…(And That’s No Lie) [7” version]
Bonus tracks – B-Sides

Counterforcce
Counterforce II
Skin
Mine [instrumental]
The Heaven 17 Megamix
CD 4: PLEASURE ONE

Contenders
Trouble
Somebody
If I Were You
Low Society
Red
Look At Me
Move Out
Free
Bonus tracks – A-Sides

The Foolish Thing To Do [featuring Jimmy Ruffin] [Version 1]
Contenders [7” version]
Contenders [US 7” edit]
Trouble [7” version]
Bonus tracks – B-Sides

My Sensitivity (Gets In The Way) [featuring Jimmy Ruffin]
The Foolish Thing To Do [featuring Jimmy Ruffin] [Version 2]
The Foolish Thing To Do [featuring Jimmy Ruffin] [instrumental]
Excerpts from ‘Diary Of A Contender’
CD 5: TEDDY BEAR, DUKE & PSYCHO

Big Square People
Don’t Stop For No One
Snake And Two People
Can You Hear Me?
Hot Blood
The Ballad Of Go Go Brown
Dangerous
I Set You Free
Train Of Love In Motion
Responsibility
The Last Seven Days
The Foolish Thing To Do
Bonus tracks – A-Sides

The Ballad Of Go Go Brown [version]
Train Of Love In Motion [7” version]
Bonus tracks – B-Sides

Slow All Over
Work
Giving Up
CD 6 : DEMONSTRATION DISC: THE LOST DEMOS 1980

Penthouse And Pavement [original demo]
(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [original demo]
Play To Win [original demo instrumental]
Soul Warfare [original demo]
Are Everything [original demo]
BEF Ident [alternate version]
Decline Of The West [alternate version]
Rise Of The East [alternate version]
Music To Kill Your Parents By [alternate version]
Uptown Apocalypse [alternate version]
A Baby Called Billy [alternate version]
Rhythmic Experiment 1
Rhythmic Experiment 2
Boys Of Buddha Experiment
At The Height Of The Fighting [original rhythm track]
Rhythmic Loop Experiment
Funky Experiment
Song Experiment
Heavy Drum Experiment
Play To Win [original demo with vocals]
Bonus tracks

Groove Thang
Temptation [original demo]
CD 7: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY #1

(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [12” version]
I’m Your Money [12” version]
Play To Win [12” version]
Penthouse And Pavement [12” version]
Let Me Go [12” version]
Temptation [12” version]
Who’ll Stop The Rain [12” version]
Come Live With Me [12” version]
Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry [Parts I & II – uninterrupted single version]
Sunset Now [extended version]
This Is Mine [extended version]
…(And That’s No Lie) [remixed to enhance its danceability]
CD 8: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY #2

Penthouse And Pavement [Remix]
Let Me Go [Endless Version]
Play To Win [Endless Version]
Contenders [Dance Version]
Contenders [Go Go Version]
(Big) Trouble
The Ballad Of Go-Go Brown [Extended Version]
Train Of Love In Motion [The Mainline Mix]
Temptation [Brothers In Rhythm Remix]
(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Rapino Club Mix]
Penthouse And Pavement [Tommy D’s Master Remix]
Let Me Go [“Hon, Its Flawless” Mix]
CD 9: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY #3

Play [12” version]
Penthouse And Pavement [instrumental 7” version]
Penthouse And Pavement [instrumental 12” version]
Who’ll Stop The Rain [US dub version]
We Live So Fast [12” version]
Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry [dub version]
Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry [The Extended Dance Version]
This Is Mine [Filmix]
This Is Mine [Cinemix]
Contenders [US Club Mix]
Trouble [US Club Mix]
CD10: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY#4

Temptation [Brothers In Rhythm Remix Edit]
(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Rapino Edit]
Penthouse And Pavement [Tommy D’s Master Edit]
(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Democratic Edit]
Let Me Go [I Trance Alone Mix]
Temptation [Brothers In Rhythm instrumental]
(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Democratic Rapino]
Penthouse And Pavement [Mr Big Buckles And His Amazing Ride]
Temptation [7″ backing track]
(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Democratic Instrumental]
Penthouse And Pavement [Original Vibe Mix]
Let Me Go [Let Me House You]
Penthouse And Pavement [D’s Super Disco Dub Mix]
Temptation [Orchestral Theme From Temptation]
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby BigManRestless » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:10 am

Aren't the 7" 12" and album version of Fascist Groove Thang the same? Doesn't the 12" just have the BEF ident on it?

No How Men Are instrumentals...*sigh*.

No one, but no one, wants that 10th disc.
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby anfunny2003 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:34 am

humanracer wrote:
PENTHOUSE & PAVEMENT:

(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Censored Version) *
Are Everything 7" 3.04 *

LUXURY GAP

We Live So Fast 3.50 [Special B-side Remix]
Let Me Go! (Extended Instrumental) 6.23
Temptation (Backing Track) *
Come Live With Me (Backing Track) *
Lady Ice & Mr Hex (remix)

HOW MEN ARE

Chase Runner 2.59
Flamedown 3.14 (slightly longer b side version)
(And That's No Lie) (album version edit from Higher & Higher compilation)
The Fuse 3.53 (slightly longer b side version)
Sunset Now (instrumental) 5:21
Sunset Now (Full Length Version) 5:15 *
The Fuse (Full Length Version) 5:26 *
Flamedown (Full Length Version) 4:01 *
Reputation (Full Length Version) 3:26 *

Instrumental demos:
1 Totgagol (The Skin I'm In).mp3
2 Jazz Song (Reputation).mp3
3 Blood Feud (Five Minutes To Midnight).mp3
4 Starwalk (Sunset Now).mp3
5 Strange Tales (Shame Is On The Rocks).mp3
6 Evereddi (This Is Mine).mp3
7 Commador (The Fuse).mp3
8 Itser (And That's No Lie).mp3
9 Recharge (Flamedown).mp3


ENDLESS/PLEASURE ONE/TEDDY BEAR, DUKE & PYSCHO

The Height of the Fighting (He-La-Hu) 3.06 [1986 remix of 1982 remix]
Heaven 17 Megamix 7.50 [edit]


Quoted above then is all those tracks which are not on the box set, or there abouts, for whatever reasons.

A few notes;

* = currently still exclusively available to download (8 tracks)

There is a 7" version of Fascist Groove Thing - it's 4:08, but the last 30 seconds or so are the BEF Ident, so it's more like 3:40.

Aren't Chase Runner (from Electric Dreams soundtrack) and Counterforce (B-side) the same track?

Where do the How Men Are instrumentals actually originate from? Are they an official release and if so, where can I see it? It's not on Discogs, that I can find?

Heaven 17 Megamix [Edit] literally just chops off the closing beats abruptly. Out of the Endless album sequence, it sounds crap.
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby humanracer » Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:43 pm

I've email them to see if they can add the 9 tracks that are still available to purchase digitally:
(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang (Censored Version)
Are Everything 7"
Temptation (Backing Track)
Come Live With Me (Backing Track)
Sunset Now (Full Length Version)
The Fuse (Full Length Version)
Flamedown (Full Length Version)
Reputation (Full Length Version)
Sunset Now (12" instrumental)

Also the below should have been included:
Chase Runner - from Electric Dreams Soundtrack
The Height of the Fighting (He-La-Hu) - from the compilation "Higher and Higher", originally on Endless

If they included that it would be perfect. I am not surprised the How Men Are Instrumentals or Lady Ice remix was not included. They probably don't have them anymore in the archives.

Not bothered about the b side versions of Flamedown and The Fuse provided they had included the full length versions.

The extended instrumental of Let Me Go continues to have mythical status.

So really if you get this boxset AND the 2006 digital versions, you have nearly everything.

Is the 7" of We Live So Fast really different?
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby humanracer » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:28 pm

Is seems there is an extended version of Skin I forgot about.
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby omar » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:35 pm

I’m gonna hold off on this one for now. Want to see what errors occur initially. Edsel was behind the Dead Or Alive box that was full of screwups. Let’s see how this one turns out.
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby blaaah » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:39 pm

Surely they can put on the 2006 digital exclusives, they cant have lost those? Petition to have them added!!!
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Re: heaven 17 play to win the virgin years

Postby humanracer » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:46 pm

blaaah wrote:Surely they can put on the 2006 digital exclusives, they cant have lost those? Petition to have them added!!!


Looking at it, I honestly think there is no space on the CD.
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