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[quote][i]Originally posted by TragicMagic[/i]
<br>Didn't mainstream dance music (things like stock aitken waterman productions, hip-hop, etc) signal the end of new wave?

I look at grunge as more an evolution that sat between the rock and metal scene. I actually think grunge was rather important to music history in some ways.

Fluffy dance music and other non-instrument based bollocks on the other hand...


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At least somebody gets it. Holy fuck ... I knew before I opened this thread that it would likely be full of a bunch of whiny bitches and wow, you ladies certainly didn't disappoint

Did grunge kill new wave? Of course not. New wave was dead at least 5 years before anyone outside of a few of us with taste had ever even heard of Nirvana. It was boring, dancy shit like TragicMagic mentioned that finally killed it off, a category which also includes your beloved Pet Shop Boys (who were not then, nor will they ever be, new wave).

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Did grunge kill new wave? Of course not. New wave was dead at least 5 years before anyone outside of a few of us with taste had ever even heard of Nirvana. It was boring, dancy sh*t like TragicMagic mentioned that finally killed it off, a category which also includes your beloved Pet Shop Boys (who were not then, nor will they ever be, new wave).
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you need to re-read the main page about this:
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http://www.nwoutpost.com/history.asp

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[quote][i]Originally posted by negative1[/i]
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Did grunge kill new wave? Of course not. New wave was dead at least 5 years before anyone outside of a few of us with taste had ever even heard of Nirvana. It was boring, dancy sh*t like TragicMagic mentioned that finally killed it off, a category which also includes your beloved Pet Shop Boys (who were not then, nor will they ever be, new wave).
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you need to re-read the main page about this:
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http://www.nwoutpost.com/history.asp

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I don't "need" to do anything because I lived it and I have an astounding memory. I highly doubt that it contradicts a single thing I stated ... but even if it does, you need to keep in mind that the act of owning a new wave website doesn't automatically make one the world's foremost authority on the subject (see Andy for further proof of this).

You are now at -2.
Later.

I use to think that Grunge killed New Wave but now I realize that even if Grunge didn't happen, New Wave would have either died out or been overplayed till the point of us disliking it. I think something like us becoming like Gary King in The World's End who was stuck in some sort of time warp of listening to Madchester music.

In other news, Madonna killed techno (electronica, for those of you who weren't there from the start [;)]).

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by TragicMagic[/i]
<br>Didn't mainstream dance music (things like stock aitken waterman productions, hip-hop, etc) signal the end of new wave?

I look at grunge as more an evolution that sat between the rock and metal scene. I actually think grunge was rather important to music history in some ways.

Fluffy dance music and other non-instrument based bollocks on the other hand...


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At least somebody gets it. Holy fuck ... I knew before I opened this thread that it would likely be full of a bunch of whiny bitches and wow, you ladies certainly didn't disappoint

Did grunge kill new wave? Of course not. New wave was dead at least 5 years before anyone outside of a few of us with taste had ever even heard of Nirvana. It was boring, dancy shit like TragicMagic mentioned that finally killed it off, a category which also includes your beloved Pet Shop Boys (who were not then, nor will they ever be, new wave).
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hehe

yeah I kinda started reading stuff about Nirvana-hate and Pet Shop Boys and lost interest from that point on....


Obs - Ahh techno - definitely closer to another (actual) nail in the coffin IMO...

Grunge almost killed Depeche Mode.

Songs like these killed New Wave. In no way, ever, would I give Nirvana any credit for it. It was dead long before they showed up. Anyone clubbing back in the day (ahem, pointing at me) saw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xur3Kt1PPKw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQY9mQ02mM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6bmnOLoHl4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYC5VFuiblU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bzrCCKDwc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I8mWG6HlmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nA7KZF94wk

Lest we forget we went from this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTV5lOjuuYw

To this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQozjL_Xi88


to this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxaPj19VnRA

Nirvana..........pffft. Hell, Ministry killed New Wave. Settled.

Not even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcdlKB3eDo

I fail to see how NW was brought down by a bunch of songs very few people ever heard (with the exception of "Sanctuary" by The Cult which is more Metal than NW). If you want to point fingers, review "Mirror Moves" by The Psych Furs or anything off the last two Thompson Twins albums. Dreck like that more negative impact than anything Ministry or other fringe bands ever did.

Other dribble such as "Human" by Human League "Rock Me Amadeus"- Falco, "Shout"- Tears For Fears, etc. didn't help. Hell, if I was 14 at the time I'd switch over to Rap too.

[quote][i]Originally posted by plagiarism[/i]
<br>Not even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcdlKB3eDo
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The only thing AFTC ever killed is the innocence of a few underaged boys.

agree with djcraig. industrial was a minor fad. And Mirror Moves is a great leading edge (1984) example of what New Wave was sadly heading for as it reached critical mass. I still remember buying it and being totally disgusted. Took a few years but similar things were happening across the board to many formerly beloved artists. while grunge was likely a contributor in the US, remember that much of new wave came from the UK which was already morphing into the whole Shoegazer / Britpop movement. Old new wave became lame and the next trends on both sides of the Atlantic handily unseated it. Ah, the Circle of Life...

p.s. The excreable cover of Mirror Moves to topped only by the emetic cover of their followup Midnight to Midnight. Richard Butler as a 30+ leathered up teen idol ... someone pass me a bucket

[quote][i]Originally posted by Chuck[/i]
<br>Grunge almost killed Depeche Mode.
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what do you mean?

they're still dead, especially
after black celebration. at least to me.

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