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by **MARV** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:20 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by edisonoside[/i]
 Does it teach us that the only way to solve our problems is through violence? Tazering is torture, Torture is violence, Violence is terror....isn't there a war on terror???[/quote]

You have always had some of the most over-simplistic, misguided philosophies I have ever seen. You're comparing law enforcement to MIddle East terrorisism? Are you high? Holy shit dude, that's out there, even for you.

[quote][i]Originally posted by edisonoside[/i]
 .....my grown-up adult senses.[/quote]

LOL, no comment.....

[i]Eyewitness account by UF student Tyler Antar:

So I went to the John Kerry town hall forum this morning trying to get students registered to vote. I run a student government organization called Chomp the Vote. Anyway I went inside to watch the event. Senator Kerry took the podium and began delivering a speech about the Middle East, Iraq, dimplomacy, etc. Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students. There were two
microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyer’s side. Senator Kerry began answering the student’s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.
However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student’s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should “spend time to answer everyone’s questions!” Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would “stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.” The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying “what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!” The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the
police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student’s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).
Meyer approached the microphone and began to talk about a book he had which stated that Kerry won the 2004 election because of disenfranchisement of black voters and faulty voter machines that produced “Bush” as the winner. He then posed another question about why President Bush had not been impeached. “President Clinton was impeached because of a blowjob, why not Bush?”. The third and strangest question he posed to Senator Kerry was asking him if he was part of the skull and bones society with Bush at
Yale. Meyer’s mic cut off after that, probably because he had mentioned the word “blowjob”. The cops grabbed him, but Meyer was able to get away several times. Eventually more cops were brought in to help subdue Meyer. Meyer continued to resist arrest, scream, curse; however he was enventually subdued by about six cops up around the entrance. As he is on the ground, he is told several times to put his hands around his back. He is also warned that he will be tasered if he does not comply. Eventually he is tasered twice. The video does not show whether he complied or not.
Senator Kerry was trying to answer his question to the audience, mostly the one about faulty voter machines. I am a die hard conservative Republican but I do respect Senator Kerry for trying to soothe the situation as best he could and trying not to escalate the situation. He DID intervene by letting the student at least present his question. I never received an opportunity to ask my question, but when Senator Kerry ended the show after the Meyer incident, he did come off stage to shake hands and give autographs. At that point, I was able to ask him my question, shake his hand, and get a autograph at the same time. Now why couldn’t Andrew Meyer do that?
I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but Andrew Meyer is a former sports writer for the school newspaper The Alligator. In his columns, he has been known to make ridiculous statements in order to gain attention for himself. Was today a publicity stunt?[/i]

Lots more:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17/st ... rry-forum/

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by **eight6** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:33 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by edisonoside[/i]
 Just as I thought...You may be well "conditioned/programed" to see this as non-violence through movies, video games, T.V show COPS etc...

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I don't watch a lot of T.V. and what I do watch is History Channel/National Geographic in nature. I'll try to look away the next time a croc snags a baby gazelle.

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Your reaction is quite common these days especially amongst teens...Maybe you would've liked to have seen more?

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Sorry, all my psychoanalytical needs are taken care of by Shovelbum. (Shhhhh, she hates when I use that line.)

I think you're the one with the problem: you can't recognize a reasonable reaction to an asshat's antics. [i]. Forced on a fellow student who was there with fellow students who had to witness such a horrible thing as one of their own was treated as such. This will long be in their memories.[/i]... and of course...[i] Tazering is torture, Torture is violence, Violence is terror....isn't there a war on terror???[/i] Get real drama queen.

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I still like to think that I and many others have my humanity intact and violence has not dulled my grown-up adult senses.

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I think your "grown-up adult senses" are quite dull...you've totally misread a situation, you're apparently convinced everyone who witnessed the event will need years of therapy, and seem to see this event as apocolyptic in nature.

Again, I say AHAHAHAHAHA!

by **drsevrin** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:27 pm

by **djcraig** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:00 am

My only regret is that it wasn't Chris Crocker getting tazered. That I would pay money to see.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/britney- ... 61178.html

[i]A week ago Chris Crocker was the laughing stock of the internet, but he will almost certainly have the last laugh - his nutty diatribe has helped land him his own TV show.

The overtly gay 19-year-old, who lives with his grandmother in Tennessee, posted an emotional video clip on YouTube last week in which he hysterically defended Britney Spears's abysmal performance at the MTV Video Music awards.

The clip, reportedly made in Crocker's closet and titled LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!, has been viewed almost 8 million times. It is the most discussed YouTube video of all time in the entertainment category, and ranks 12th on the list of most viewed entertainment clips.

And now, Hollywood newspaper Variety is reporting that Crocker could be getting his own TV show. He has inked a deal with production company 44 Blue Productions, which plans to create a reality TV show around Crocker and his life as a gay man in a small US town.

"It's going to pretty much be the 'Chris Crocker experience'," Rasha Drachkovitch, the co-founder of the production company, told Variety.

"We consider him a rebel character that people will find interesting. He's going to be a TV star."[/i]

Talk about torture...

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by **WolverineSyr** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:12 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
create a reality TV show around Crocker and his life as a gay man in a small US town.

"It's going to pretty much be the 'Chris Crocker experience'," [/quote]

Great, another flaming stereotype - but this time he's bi-polar! yay.

by **MARV** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:15 am

Yeah, I saw that last night. All the more reason to stay away from mainstream TV.....

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by **shovelbum** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:29 am

Marv and *gasp* eight6, I couldn't agree with you more.

I am not conditioned by violence on tv. I am conditioned from 17 years of violence in my home growing up. I HATE violence with a violent vengeance (if that's possible) and very much believe in human rights... All that being said, that idiot really did get what he deserved. He did not follow protocol, he created a situation where no one knew how far he would/could take it, and did not submit to authorities. If I were a cop and someone I was holding wouldn't be still and struggled against me I'd taze his ass too.

It's amazing what cooperation will do: why, just yesterday I got pulled over for doing 80mph in the 55 zone. I had my registration and driver's license ready, put on a meek smile, and admitted I had strayed over the limit. He thanked me for my cooperation and let me go. Now, if I'd argued with him or lied he would have given me a $450 ticket and 6 points on my license. If I'd tried to outrun him I would be in JAIL right now (and certainly not calling eight6 for bail, lol).

Hey, eight6, why are you so paranoid about being psycho-analyzed? [;)]

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by **MARV** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:59 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
 he created a situation where no one knew how far he would/could take it,[/quote]

LOL, the way this kid was acting, you'd swear he was being taken to the guillotine. EVen Saddam Hussein walked there with more dignity.

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by **edisonoside** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:21 am

I was once almost shot by a couple of police officers who WRONGLY arrested me (for what was an hour later found to be someone else's crime..One of the officers 'while pointing a gun at me' yelled for me to "PUT IT DOWN"!! I was holding a coke can for Chris-sakes, He SCREAMED PUT IT DOWN... NOW!! I was thinking 'Am I going to get shot for holding a coke can'??? I put it down they grabbed me and slammed my head on to the trunk of the cruiser, cuffed me and threw me to the back of the car seat..My arms hurt alot, the cuffs where put on extremely tight. The officers made comments on just how cute I was and said that I will be popular with the boys while locked up...In the police station they put me in a room with a bunch of black thugs who thought I was white...three of them tried to grab me, I beat one of them senseless while the other two grabbed and kicked my face breaking my nose and knocking out my one of my teeth...the officers heard the commotion but did nothing..later they came by and saw me bleeding and said I could go....no apology nothing but a hard time. I did nothing wrong. I pray that our Bill of rights won't be abolished..We need these rights to protect us from police brutality and I champion anyone who stands and believes that...to all the rest well I don't care what you believe, but believe this..I won't let that happen to me as long as there is breath in me..I will kill any cop who wrongfully tries to arrest me again for no crime committed.

by **MARV** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:35 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by edisonoside[/i]
 I pray that our Bill of rights won't be abolished..We need these rights to protect us from police brutality and I champion anyone who stands and believes that...to all the rest well I don't care what you believe, but believe this..I won't let that happen to me as long as there is breath in me..I will kill any cop who wrongfully tries to arrest me again for no crime committed.[/quote]

That's your problem. "I champion anyone." You can't discriminate between the legitimate and the loonbat Bill of Rights champions. As far as you killing cops goes, do keep us posted. I for one will enjoy the aftermath of that unfortunate circumstance.

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by **SwampThing** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:59 am

edisonoside,

While I feel for your situation, if you had a strong case why didn't you get a lawyer and sue??? I imagine (depending where you lived at the time) there would be any number of civil rights lawyers that would have taken you case per diem. We've had several cases of police brutality in the Seattle area and there never seems to be any shortage of lawyers and media willing to get involved. Of coarse all the right-wing nuts side with the police and the liberals side with the supposed victim, never mind the facts...

by **edisonoside** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:07 am

I did and I won! $$$$.[:)]

by **eight6** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:36 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
 Marv and *gasp* eight6, I couldn't agree with you more.

I am not conditioned by violence on tv. I am conditioned from 17 years of violence in my home growing up. I HATE violence with a violent vengeance (if that's possible) and very much believe in human rights... All that being said, that idiot really did get what he deserved. He did not follow protocol, he created a situation where no one knew how far he would/could take it, and did not submit to authorities. If I were a cop and someone I was holding wouldn't be still and struggled against me I'd taze his ass too.

It's amazing what cooperation will do: why, just yesterday I got pulled over for doing 80mph in the 55 zone. I had my registration and driver's license ready, put on a meek smile, and admitted I had strayed over the limit. He thanked me for my cooperation and let me go. Now, if I'd argued with him or lied he would have given me a $450 ticket and 6 points on my license. If I'd tried to outrun him I would be in JAIL right now (and certainly not calling eight6 for bail, lol).

Hey, eight6, why are you so paranoid about being psycho-analyzed? [;)]

"I'm subversive as hell!" ~Theodor Geisel

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Another Toronado driver I see. [i]Paranoid about being psychoanalyzed?[/i]...nah. What does make me nervous are the people who have offered their psychoanalytical services so far; a list you don't want to be on.

by **shovelbum** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:41 pm

Awww, come on, it could be fun!

Nah, I really am not interested in psycho-analyzing you (I think I'd need therapy if I ever really DID figure you out). If I ever stray that way it is just in an effort to understand your motives. [;)]

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by **enzfan** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:42 am

I didn't know Ice-T was a board member.

[quote][i]Originally posted by edisonoside[/i]
 I will kill any cop who wrongfully tries to arrest me again for no crime committed.
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