Your next president ?

[KYYX4ever]

I agree, club80; well-stated.

But overall, going up a few posts, the tactics of terrorists do not overly concern me, beyond academic discussion and research. There are some polls going around showing that most Americans feel the same (for what polls are worth, anyway). The Repub's scare tactics are starting to fade. I'm more concerned about our own cities, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, people, children, etc. This is where, traditionally, the Dems focus their efforts. Domestic policy. Something sorely lacking under this regime of GOP thugs. We need a good dose of community service performed ON this country, by our own communities. It is difficult to be a charitable, exemplary country if our own needs are not met. Let's fix ourselves first before we worry about a bunch of disaffected militants in the Middle East.

[club80]

[quote][i]Originally posted by KYYX4ever[/i]
<br>I agree, club80; well-stated.

But overall, going up a few posts, the tactics of terrorists do not overly concern me, beyond academic discussion and research. There are some polls going around showing that most Americans feel the same (for what polls are worth, anyway). The Repub's scare tactics are starting to fade. I'm more concerned about our own cities, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, people, children, etc. This is where, traditionally, the Dems focus their efforts. Domestic policy. Something sorely lacking under this regime of GOP thugs. We need a good dose of community service performed ON this country, by our own communities. It is difficult to be a charitable, exemplary country if our own needs are not met. Let's fix ourselves first before we worry about a bunch of disaffected militants in the Middle East.
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I couldn't agree more, KYYX4ever! Our infrastructure needs an overhaul and the Democratics traditionally pay more attention to this. I hope that Obama surrounds himself with good, sound advisors. My biggest concern with him continues to be his lack of experience and the lack of a well-stated plan of action.


We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-

[WLIRRIP]

[quote][i]Originally posted by KYYX4ever[/i]
<br>I agree, club80; well-stated.

But overall, going up a few posts, the tactics of terrorists do not overly concern me, beyond academic discussion and research. There are some polls going around showing that most Americans feel the same (for what polls are worth, anyway). The Repub's scare tactics are starting to fade. I'm more concerned about our own cities, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, people, children, etc. This is where, traditionally, the Dems focus their efforts. Domestic policy. Something sorely lacking under this regime of GOP thugs. We need a good dose of community service performed ON this country, by our own communities. It is difficult to be a charitable, exemplary country if our own needs are not met. Let's fix ourselves first before we worry about a bunch of disaffected militants in the Middle East.
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Wow. I'm stunned. I must ask you, was 9/11 just a Republican fear tactic? Or perhaps just a theoretical topic for a research paper? What about the first Trade Center bombing? Was that not a real, deadly attempt to destroy part of our city? Or, since Clinton was in office, perhaps that was just a Democratic fear tactic? Or what about the attempt in 2006 to launch TEN suicide airline flights into the United States that was THWARTED by Republican thugs water-boarding Khalid Sheik Muhamed? Or what about the Madrid bombings that killed about 198 people? Or in Bali, where about the same number were killed in a club? Or in Russia, where 150 school kids (300 people total) were killed? Or in Nigeria, where hundreds were killed in an embassy bombing? Or the USS Cole? Or... never mind. Honestly, if you still don't believe there's any danger, especially after the horrors of 9/11, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. I don't believe even another terrorist hit, even one close to home, would ultimately do it for you. My only question is why. It seems to me that unless you or someone you know are DIRECTLY hit, you won't be convinced. Our "own cities, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, people, children, etc." are the very things these loons wanna destroy, but you believe that just be ignoring them, they'll go away. What has happened over the past 30 years to lead you to that conclusion?

And who was talking about being charitable? Perhaps Obama was? I'm talking about killing them, demoralizing them. This has started to happen in Iraq (finally) because of GW taking the fight to them hard. Like it or not folks we live in a jungle. We can not simply wish these problems away. If we ignore them they will (and have) come to us. The rest of the world doesn't give a rat's behind about our bridges, schools or kids. If they did they'd ALL be fighting with us in Afghanistan right now. While these domestic problems can not be ignored, what's going on in the world isn't going to go away just because you hide your head in the sand. We are not an isolated island and talking nicely with the natives is not going to make everything all better.

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12

[KYYX4ever]

All good examples. But all these events would have happened regardless of who is in the White House. I just would not prefer that it be used and twisted to keep us all in a state of fear. It has nothing to do with hiding one's head in the sand. I passionately believe that our "own cities, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, people, children, etc" take precedence. I do a lot of work in my community in my zeal to help who I think really needs help. The people with whom I interact could care less about Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions, or al-Qaida's designs on the Middle East. It doesn't mean those dangers do not exist. It just means it's not as salient to our daily lives as the ability to pay our bills, put food on the table, or afford necessary items.
You are correct, though; we will not change each other's minds. And it's OK.[:)]

[club80]

[quote][i]Originally posted by WLIRRIP[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by KYYX4ever[/i]
<br>I agree, club80; well-stated.

But overall, going up a few posts, the tactics of terrorists do not overly concern me, beyond academic discussion and research. There are some polls going around showing that most Americans feel the same (for what polls are worth, anyway). The Repub's scare tactics are starting to fade. I'm more concerned about our own cities, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, people, children, etc. This is where, traditionally, the Dems focus their efforts. Domestic policy. Something sorely lacking under this regime of GOP thugs. We need a good dose of community service performed ON this country, by our own communities. It is difficult to be a charitable, exemplary country if our own needs are not met. Let's fix ourselves first before we worry about a bunch of disaffected militants in the Middle East.
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Wow. I'm stunned. I must ask you, was 9/11 just a Republican fear tactic? Or perhaps just a theoretical topic for a research paper? What about the first Trade Center bombing? Was that not a real, deadly attempt to destroy part of our city? Or, since Clinton was in office, perhaps that was just a Democratic fear tactic? Or what about the attempt in 2006 to launch TEN suicide airline flights into the United States that was THWARTED by Republican thugs water-boarding Khalid Sheik Muhamed? Or what about the Madrid bombings that killed about 198 people? Or in Bali, where about the same number were killed in a club? Or in Russia, where 150 school kids (300 people total) were killed? Or in Nigeria, where hundreds were killed in an embassy bombing? Or the USS Cole? Or... never mind. Honestly, if you still don't believe there's any danger, especially after the horrors of 9/11, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. I don't believe even another terrorist hit, even one close to home, would ultimately do it for you. My only question is why. It seems to me that unless you or someone you know are DIRECTLY hit, you won't be convinced. Our "own cities, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, people, children, etc." are the very things these loons wanna destroy, but you believe that just be ignoring them, they'll go away. What has happened over the past 30 years to lead you to that conclusion?

And who was talking about being charitable? Perhaps Obama was? I'm talking about killing them, demoralizing them. This has started to happen in Iraq (finally) because of GW taking the fight to them hard. Like it or not folks we live in a jungle. We can not simply wish these problems away. If we ignore them they will (and have) come to us. The rest of the world doesn't give a rat's behind about our bridges, schools or kids. If they did they'd ALL be fighting with us in Afghanistan right now. While these domestic problems can not be ignored, what's going on in the world isn't going to go away just because you hide your head in the sand. We are not an isolated island and talking nicely with the natives is not going to make everything all better.

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12
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Don't get me wrong. I KNOW these events occurred and I know we are susceptible to additional attacks. I, personally, don't think the war in Iran is the be-all, end-all to terrorism. Far from it. Terrorists exist everywhere including within the boundaries of the U.S. We can hope to contain. We can hope to uncover. We can hope to disarm. And...we can hope to win the long-term battle. I don't want us to ignore the threat and hope it goes away. It won't. However, I don't want us to ignore what lies within our boundaries either. We need a better balance. While we prepare to protect ourselves from those that hate us, we still need to make our lives and the lives of our children better. I just don't see that being addressed enough by the Republicans. Just my opinion.




We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-

[WLIRRIP]

[quote]Don't get me wrong. I KNOW these events occurred and I know we are susceptible to additional attacks. I, personally, don't think the war in Iran is the be-all, end-all to terrorism. Far from it. Terrorists exist everywhere including within the boundaries of the U.S. We can hope to contain. We can hope to uncover. We can hope to disarm. And...we can hope to win the long-term battle. I don't want us to ignore the threat and hope it goes away. It won't. However, I don't want us to ignore what lies within our boundaries either. We need a better balance. While we prepare to protect ourselves from those that hate us, we still need to make our lives and the lives of our children better. I just don't see that being addressed enough by the Republicans. Just my opinion.[/quote]

Ya know what Club? You expressed yourself well and I do hear you. But the Republican Party has a public relations problem, because they DO address those issues. They just have a different tack on handling them.

And you're right, there's a balance that needs to be achieved. That being said, I'm afraid that our nation may have to suffer somewhat because these people are going to do all that they can to wear us down. That indeed seems to be their strategy. The "little people" that KYYX4ever cares for (kudos to you on that, BTW), don't care now because they already have the 800lb gorilla of poverty on their backs. But if a terrorist hits again, they may very well change their perspective.

What's the proper balance? I don't know. Perhaps trying to give equal priority to both is the answer, since we must take the fight to these SOBs, but we mustn't let national morale break down either. Because then we'll lost to the psychos anyway. How do we achieve that balance? I'm not sure. Like any war, it's a fluid situation requiring constant course adjustments, and the man sitting in the White House will get scrutinized, justifiably or not, for every little thing he does (I don't know why anybody wants that job). I don't believe there's a person alive who could achieve that perfect balance. No matter whom we vote for, things will not be perfect simply because a) everyone can't be made happy at the same time, and b) the person sitting in that seat is himself (and it will be a man this year) imperfect.

Whew. I'm drained. How're you folks?

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12

[club80]

To be fair, WLIRRIP, you are right. I should not have lumped all Republicans into that category not should I champion all Democrats. I am truly bipartisan and believe in voting based on the candidate's ideas, plans and capability, male or female. Yes, I am a male and was rooting for Mrs. Clinton.
I guess I just don't believe that Bush was very capable or willing to cast an eye upon our internal needs. My opinion is that McCain is just a smarter version of the current president. Same ideas. Just more of them. LOL!
I don't know the answer on how to achieve that balance either. I hope that someone smarter than I can figure that out. I just believe that Obama is more likely to be that person and, if not, he is more likely to fix some of those things that need fixing here at home.
Time will tell.


We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-

[WLIRRIP]

[quote]Time will tell.[/quote]

Time indeed will tell Mr. 80. If the eloquent senator wins, I do hope you turn out to be correct and me wrong.

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12

[club80]

[quote][i]Originally posted by WLIRRIP[/i]
<br>[quote]Time will tell.[/quote]

Time indeed will tell Mr. 80. If the eloquent senator wins, I do hope you turn out to be correct and me wrong.

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12
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I think that we all have to remember that it isn't that important to be pleased the day after the election. It is much more important to be pleased a year later.


We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-

[WLIRRIP]

[quote]I think that we all have to remember that it isn't that important to be pleased the day after the election. It is much more important to be pleased a year later.[/quote]

Damn bro. That's so simple yet... so true.

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12

[ghosty]

This is going to cause heads to explode and people to question their own reality but billionaire and Fox News head honcho Rupert Murdoch appears to be an Obama supporter.

[KYYX4ever]

[quote][i]Originally posted by club80[/i]
<br>To be fair, WLIRRIP, you are right. I should not have lumped all Republicans into that category not should I champion all Democrats. I am truly bipartisan and believe in voting based on the candidate's ideas, plans and capability, male or female. Yes, I am a male and was rooting for Mrs. Clinton.
I guess I just don't believe that Bush was very capable or willing to cast an eye upon our internal needs. My opinion is that McCain is just a smarter version of the current president. Same ideas. Just more of them. LOL!
I don't know the answer on how to achieve that balance either. I hope that someone smarter than I can figure that out. I just believe that Obama is more likely to be that person and, if not, he is more likely to fix some of those things that need fixing here at home.
Time will tell.

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I agree. (except for the part of being male, which I am not[;)], or the part of McCain being a "smarter version"[V]). Thanks for keeping it civil, y'all.[:)]

[club80]

[quote][i]Originally posted by KYYX4ever[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by club80[/i]
<br>To be fair, WLIRRIP, you are right. I should not have lumped all Republicans into that category not should I champion all Democrats. I am truly bipartisan and believe in voting based on the candidate's ideas, plans and capability, male or female. Yes, I am a male and was rooting for Mrs. Clinton.
I guess I just don't believe that Bush was very capable or willing to cast an eye upon our internal needs. My opinion is that McCain is just a smarter version of the current president. Same ideas. Just more of them. LOL!
I don't know the answer on how to achieve that balance either. I hope that someone smarter than I can figure that out. I just believe that Obama is more likely to be that person and, if not, he is more likely to fix some of those things that need fixing here at home.
Time will tell.

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I agree. (except for the part of being male, which I am not[;)], or the part of McCain being a "smarter version"[V]). Thanks for keeping it civil, y'all.[:)]
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It was a good, meaty discussion!


We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-