Election Day !!!!!!!!!

[coop41]

[quote][i]Originally posted by enzfan[/i]
<br>With all the celebrations I thought OJ had been acquitted again.[:)]
[/quote]


LOL!!!!!!!!

[salsynth]

Very good ENZFAN. I was just about to say that one good thing (probably the only good thing I can think of) about Obama winning is that there were no riots today. If he would have lost there probably would have been some problems around the country.

[zill]

What I'm really amazed about is that California voted against gay marriages. Really? I wouldn't have called that one.

[eight6]

I wonder how long the euphoria of Obama's election will last? I can't see him making an appreciable dent in the problems facing the U.S. without fundamental change to the status quo, and that change will get much less popular once people realize the sacrifices that will have to be made.

People here were all for sweeping environmental changes until the economic downturn became the central issue of our recent election. The party that touted themselves as the environmental choice got skewered in the election once it became known what the cost of such an environmental program would cost. Suddenly, having money in your pocket became much more important than pie in the sky environmental goals.

Eh, what do I know...I liked Bush.



[b] ...is there a lawyer in the house? [/b]

[eight6]

[quote][i]Originally posted by zill[/i]
<br>What I'm really amazed about is that California voted against gay marriages. Really? I wouldn't have called that one.
[/quote]

I found that surprising as well. Shocking really.

[b] ...is there a lawyer in the house? [/b]

[iposse]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by zill[/i]
<br>What I'm really amazed about is that California voted against gay marriages. Really? I wouldn't have called that one.
[/quote]

I found that surprising as well. Shocking really.

[b] ...is there a lawyer in the house? [/b]
[/quote]

I read that a big reason why Prop 8 won in blue-state California was, ironically, because of Obama. He motivated a lot of lower-income minorities (blacks/hispanics) who wouldn't have normally voted to cast their ballots, and those people are overwhelmingly traditional marriage. It does makes sense in a strange way.

[djcraig]

[quote][i]Originally posted by iposse[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by zill[/i]
<br>What I'm really amazed about is that California voted against gay marriages. Really? I wouldn't have called that one.
[/quote]

I found that surprising as well. Shocking really.

[b] ...is there a lawyer in the house? [/b]
[/quote]

I read that a big reason why Prop 8 won in blue-state California was, ironically, because of Obama. He motivated a lot of lower-income minorities (blacks/hispanics) who wouldn't have normally voted to cast their ballots, and those people are overwhelmingly traditional marriage. It does makes sense in a strange way.
[/quote]

The passage of Prop. 8 may have been partially because people resented the court and activist judges making laws and wanted to send a message. I'm sure it will be challenged in court but for now, the judges who created the legal precedent to allow gay marriage have actually set their cause back.

I say let the legislature do it's job to create laws based on the will of the people. If the judges want to get involved they can run to become representatives.

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[marie3]

[quote][i]Originally posted by enzfan[/i]
<br>That is one good side effect, maybe HBO will get rid of that hack Bill Maher now that he will have nothing to say.
[/quote]

Bill Maher ROCKS!!!!

[NuWaveRx]

[quote]activist judges making laws and wanted to send a message.
[/quote]

Ah, yes the two great buzzwords for those who want to tell other consenting adults how to live their lives: "Activist Judges" and the "will of the people" I always seem to have the same two questions about them:

1-Since most people who espouse the notion of "Activist Judges" seem to be socially conservative, I always wonder if they would have the same reaction to an "Activist Judge" who repealed Roe v Wade--something tells me probably not.

2-I wonder if it was correct for the "will of the people" to have been upheld in the South before Brown v Board of Education or Loving v Virginia. I think history tells us the "will of the people" was dead wrong in permitting segregation and banning inter-racial marriage.

That being said the people of California have spoken. My guess is the next stop may be the SCOTUS.

[iposse]

[quote][i]Originally posted by NuWaveRx[/i]
<br>[quote]activist judges making laws and wanted to send a message.
[/quote]

That being said the people of California have spoken. My guess is the next stop may be the SCOTUS.
[/quote]

Even though I voted NO on Prop 8 and do think that it was a horrendous proposition to begin with, I think it's silly that the ban is being challenged so soon (and you knew it would):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27557521/

This is really turning into a colossal waste of the state's resources (as if they didn't waste so much already). If a gay couple wants to be called "married," then that's fine by me whether there's a legal precedent for it or not. But honestly, I'm going to tune this fight out for now.

[club80]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>I wonder how long the euphoria of Obama's election will last? I can't see him making an appreciable dent in the problems facing the U.S. without fundamental change to the status quo, and that change will get much less popular once people realize the sacrifices that will have to be made.

People here were all for sweeping environmental changes until the economic downturn became the central issue of our recent election. The party that touted themselves as the environmental choice got skewered in the election once it became known what the cost of such an environmental program would cost. Suddenly, having money in your pocket became much more important than pie in the sky environmental goals.

Eh, what do I know...I liked Bush.



[b] ...is there a lawyer in the house? [/b]
[/quote]

I believe the women who voted for Prop 8 in California are big fans of bush too!

We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-

[iposse]

[quote][i]Originally posted by club80[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>I wonder how long the euphoria of Obama's election will last? I can't see him making an appreciable dent in the problems facing the U.S. without fundamental change to the status quo, and that change will get much less popular once people realize the sacrifices that will have to be made.

People here were all for sweeping environmental changes until the economic downturn became the central issue of our recent election. The party that touted themselves as the environmental choice got skewered in the election once it became known what the cost of such an environmental program would cost. Suddenly, having money in your pocket became much more important than pie in the sky environmental goals.

Eh, what do I know...I liked Bush.



[b] ...is there a lawyer in the house? [/b]
[/quote]

I believe the women who voted for Prop 8 in California are big fans of bush too!

We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-
[/quote]

I think you meant the women who voted [b]against[/b] Prop 8.

Yes = pro-Bush.
No = pro-bush.

[manekineko]

As I was in line to vote there was an African-American family behind me: a mother and four children. The kids were all excited, saying, "Mommy, I want to vote!" Their mother said, "You'll have to wait until you're 18, and then you can vote." It warmed my heart to see kids so excited about the democratic process--kids who finally see a candidate who looks just like them.

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[club80]

[quote][i]Originally posted by iposse[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by club80[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>I wonder how long the euphoria of Obama's election will last? I can't see him making an appreciable dent in the problems facing the U.S. without fundamental change to the status quo, and that change will get much less popular once people realize the sacrifices that will have to be made.

People here were all for sweeping environmental changes until the economic downturn became the central issue of our recent election. The party that touted themselves as the environmental choice got skewered in the election once it became known what the cost of such an environmental program would cost. Suddenly, having money in your pocket became much more important than pie in the sky environmental goals.

Eh, what do I know...I liked Bush.



[b] ...is there a lawyer in the house? [/b]
[/quote]

I believe the women who voted for Prop 8 in California are big fans of bush too!

We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-
[/quote]

I think you meant the women who voted [b]against[/b] Prop 8.

Yes = pro-Bush.
No = pro-bush.
[/quote]

er...right. Thanks iposse.

We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-

[djcraig]

[quote][i]Originally posted by manekineko[/i]
<br>As I was in line to vote there was an African-American family behind me: a mother and four children. The kids were all excited, saying, "Mommy, I want to vote!" Their mother said, "You'll have to wait until you're 18, and then you can vote." It warmed my heart to see kids so excited about the democratic process--kids who finally see a candidate who looks just like them.
[/quote]

<u>You did NOT just really say that!</u>

I believe your statement to be well intentioned but you might want to reconsider that final sentence.





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