Youth of Today and Sex!

[phillyidol]

Let me start by saying I graduated h.s. in 82 and NOBODY was having sex. It just wasn't going on. I guess you could have got laid by a tramp but it really didnt happen that much. Just getting your first girlfriend was a big deal. Now it is just crazy. Even the shows about h.s. show sex and abortions.
Whats your views?

[Bitter Almonds]

<p align="justify">There weren't any good ol' days and kids back then were having sex... maybe not us[:I] but, certainly, other kids were seeing action the same way kids are having sex now. The only difference is, people nowadays lack the discretion and class to keep personal things private. With proper parenting and values, it still is a big deal for some kids to have their first boyfriend or girlfriend.

[jaybag]

"I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not for our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex." - Jack Handey

I just always wonder - where were all these trampy 16-year-old girls when I was in high school??? Girls DEFINITELY dress trampier than 20 years ago. But are they actually trampier, or do they just dress the part?

[newwavepunkgirl]

The world's gone crazy. I mean get this, they are thinking to hand girls morning after pills at the school gates, when the hussies should just try and keep their legs shut LOL.[:D]

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[newwavepunkgirl]

[quote][i]Originally posted by jaybag[/i]
<br>"I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not for our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex." - Jack Handey

I just always wonder - where were all these trampy 16-year-old girls when I was in high school??? Girls DEFINITELY dress trampier than 20 years ago. But are they actually trampier, or do they just dress the part?
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Maybe fashion is more slutty? I've noticed skirts have gotten alot shorter...[}:)]

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[Grunch]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br><p align="justify">There weren't any good ol' days and kids back then were having sex... maybe not us[:I] but, certainly, other kids were seeing action the same way kids are having sex now. The only difference is, people nowadays lack the discretion and class to keep personal things private. With proper parenting and values, it still is a big deal for some kids to have their first boyfriend or girlfriend.
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If you don;t think there were the good 'ol days, you aren't old enough to appreciate there really were simpler times. Not just sex, but everything from respect of people, property, authority, respect for the elderly, helping others, respect for teachers.....at least back in the 60s this was common, not the exception. Today I think it is the exception. This is a scary world, and with the age of information technology and computers, as Spirit once said, we are becoming a mechanical world. You can chit chat with strangers, tell people to go get fucked, have on-line sex, you name it......all from the easy chair. Recently people at work were talking about how long it had been since they wrote cursive, because of pc's, etc....sad, but for all the things information can do for us, it has, or maybe people have simply allowed, some of the humanity to become extinct.

[KYYX4ever]

good points Grunch.

Yes, these kids are definately having more sex nowadays. Although part of it is that they use less discretion and the culture encourages early sexuality and bragging.
I teach high school. Trust me, these kids treat sex )and love, to a lesser extent) VERY cavalierly. The girls have these "First Night" parties wherein bunch of kids get together and the girls pair off with the guys, and then afterwards the girls all discuss it and how "special" it was, barf. Although there are plenty of virgins, there are also plenty of sexually active kids as well.

Another glaring change is back when I went to school, if a girl got pregnant, it was usually shameful. She'd drop out of school, have the pregnancy and baby elsewhere (often in another state), and then return to school the next year. Now--every year I have pregnant students ! Who bring their sonagrams to class! And wear cute stretchy clothes to show off their bellies! And the other girls are all like "awwwww". It kills me. I have a lot of Senior girls who had a baby when they were 14, 15, or 16.
I just don't recall anything like this back in the day.

[SomebodySomewhere]

[quote][i]Originally posted by phillyidol[/i]
<br>Let me start by saying I graduated h.s. in 82 and NOBODY was having sex. It just wasn't going on. I guess you could have got laid by a tramp but it really didnt happen that much. Just getting your first girlfriend was a big deal. Now it is just crazy. Even the shows about h.s. show sex and abortions.
Whats your views?
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Guess I was ahead of the times. It was '83 for me. Not that I graduated h.s.. That I first had sex! She was my camp counselor, too, so... it was like every kid in "Meatballs'" fantasy come true.

Yeah, she was a slut. So what. So was I. At least I didn't knock her up or nothing. I mean, at least not that I'm aware of. I didn't go to camp the next summer. Who knows -- there might be a SomebodySomewhere Jr. somewhere out there.

[Mechi]

It's not completely like that. I know many people that waited until they were in college to have sex and some (like myself) who still are virgins.
First of all, the idea of having sex never crossed my mind until I was 17. And at that point, I analised very carefully the situation and decided that I was not ready for it and that I would wait.
Maybe today things are different from me because my views associated to love and meeting the right person have changed... life expeerience sometimes modifies one's feelings.
Anyway... if parents do their jobs well, their kids will only have sex if they feel ready for it (emotionally and psychologically speaking) and will do it safely.
First time parties??? That sounds awful and almost like a cliché.

Yes, yes... I'm a nun!!! Hehehe... but actually there's a lot you can do without having sex. [:D]

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[glokstadt]

Alright, what's the deal with Kindergarten and 1st/2nd graders have girl-/boyfriends already... WTF is that about?! [V]

I just talked to my ex-girlfriend from college, who is still not married, is a devote catholic, and she's still a virgin at 44... sounds like a good movire plot, oh shit, already done, "The 40-yera-old Virgin!" [:(]

Seriously, kids/children/teens are starting a lot earlier, or did i miss the boat in my teen-hood, school daze by not having sex...

Mechi also mentions that you can do other "sexual" things without having intercourse... I watched some show on Link TV, where girls said they were virgins still, even though they did anal sex with a boy, and were sacing themselves... wow, [:I] excure me... where were these chicks in my high school daze???? [8)] [:I]

OK, feel like I'm ranting and raving now. [B)] Any of you have any comments/thoughts to add??? [?]

[newwavepunkgirl]

[quote][i]Originally posted by glokstadt[/i]
<br>Alright, what's the deal with Kindergarten and 1st/2nd graders have girl-/boyfriends already... WTF is that about?! [V]

I just talked to my ex-girlfriend from college, who is still not married, is a devote catholic, and she's still a virgin at 44... sounds like a good movire plot, oh shit, already done, "The 40-yera-old Virgin!" [:(]

Seriously, kids/children/teens are starting a lot earlier, or did i miss the boat in my teen-hood, school daze by not having sex...

Mechi also mentions that you can do other "sexual" things without having intercourse... I watched some show on Link TV, where girls said they were virgins still, even though they did anal sex with a boy, and were sacing themselves... wow, [:I] excure me... where were these chicks in my high school daze???? [8)] [:I]

OK, feel like I'm ranting and raving now. [B)] Any of you have any comments/thoughts to add??? [?]
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I agree but when I look back I was a precosious child who couldn't wait to grow up at under 10 but in those days it was more innocent like singing and trying to look like toyah and be punk or something, I still palyed with dolls til I was 12, actually I still do! [:I]Iwas so NOT interested in boys in that way when I was little I was too busy collecting bugs with them! Yep I was always a bit of a Tomboy, older brother you see...The guys in my highschool were foul and the whole threat of AIDS scared me out of it til later! I actually think we were more knowledgeable about contraception though, I mean I knew all about that stuff way before I lost my vriginity, there ar eso many teenage pregnancies now and pre-teen you have to wonder if people are getting thicker...

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[WolverineSyr]

The agency I work for has been around for 30+ years. A major component of the agency is teen pregnancy prevention. Although my job focuses mostly on HIV education, I still do a lot of work on the teen pregnancy side of things. I know this is way too long & I apologize.

If you are to believe the statistics from government and non-government funded organizations - teen pregnancy rates are lower today than they were in the 70's & 80's. Teen sex rates are also lower, as well as abortion rates. Only 4% of babies born to teen mothers are given up for adoption.

Lots of things have changed since we were younger. Culturally it is much more acceptable for a girl to get pregnant & for a boy to have multiple children. I recall in high school that a girl would "disappear" and suddenly, we'd have a new girl in school who was also pregnant. The school system used to trade off pregnant girls to "spare the family the shame," or whatever. KYYX once posted her experiences being a high school teacher & kids in classes who had, or were having babies. I hope she chimes in here.

Our sex education has changed a lot in the past 20 years. If a kid is in a school that teaches comprehensive sex ed - they'll get info on contraception, but it's not until later - maybe 10th or 11th grade, when they already may have been sexually active. If it's a school that teaches only abstinence, then they may not get any contraceptive info. It's difficult for someone like myself, who may get called to do a contraception class & try to cover everything in 40 minutes - and then, that's it - the kids get no more info for the rest of their high school career. If you look at drop-out rates and compare them to what year health classes teach sex-ed - you'll see most drop-outs never made it that far.

Abortions are not accessed as much as they used to be. It's harder to get one today, and there's no such thing, in most cases, as a "free" abortion. Most kids & adults are only exposed to what the anti-abortion groups publicize - which are pure scare tactics, and misinformation. Most of us see images of "partial birth abortion," and may assume that's what every termination looks like. It's not. Late term abortion is also never done because a mother "has changed her mind." A physician who performs that on a healthy fetus will lose their license - that's the way it's always been. Anyways - it may appear that more girls are pregnat than ever before because of that & that many races may think that abortion is a form of genocide.

It used to be that families would make kids get married if the girl was pregnant. These days, that just doesn't happen. Boys are held less accountable than ever before & it's not uncommon to find that a teen father has more than one child from more than one girl. The stigma of a girl as a "tramp" & is held solely accountable for a pregnany is still alive & well. boyssuffer no social stigma at all. We have to start making young men as responsible for the children they father as the girl is & we need to support hard-line child support laws.

Many agencies that advocate abstinence define sexual behavior as vaginal penetration only - so you can have oral or anal sex & still be abstinent & a virgin. That's not how I ever defined it when I was a kid. Did you? Kids that get only abstinence education are more likely to not use contraception when they do have sex.

I think all of this appears that kids may be having sex younger, and doing it more than we did. I honestly don't think they are - I just think our culture has changed an awful lot. Technology is better - we have way more access to information, communication & hooking up than when we were young, the media is better, so issues are more publicized & families don't necessarily keep a pregnant kid "under wraps" or ship them off somewhere like they used to.

Here's something to think about though - of all NEW HIV infections - 64% are girls between 13 & 24 years old. Talk to your daughters about safer sex.

[SwampThing]

WolverineSyr,
I heard there was some other sexual disease in young woman that can lead to cervical cancer that is very common. I can't remember the name or acronym, but I think they now have a vacination. I'm wondering how many parents are in denial about their childs sexual activity and deny them access to proper healthcare. Even if your daughter isn't sexual active today, seems it be better just to get them the vaccination. Any thoughts?



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[WolverineSyr]

It's Human Papillomavirus (HPV) which generally refers to genital warts. Really any wart on your body is HPV - it's a huge family of viruses. Only a few strains cause genital warts.
The warts that you may have on your finger or on your foot will not transfer to your genitals, and vice versa. They are very specific to the types of skin they infect. Genital warts can infect someone's mouth, but it's really, really rare.

It's estimated that 70 - 90% of people carry HPV - whether they've had an outbreak or not. That sounds astoundingly high - but there is no test that determines if it's a finger wart or genital wart. The only way to tell is for a doctor to do an exam.

Genital warts are almost impossible to self-diagnose. 90% of the time they look like the head of a pin. Those pictures you see online are generally wickedly extreme cases - usually the person is co-infected with HIV or something that's really damaging their immune system which can make the warts larger.

There is a vaccine for HPV. It came on the market a month or two ago. The recommendation is that all girls aged 9 and over get it. You want to vaccinate them before they are sexually active, since it will do no good if they are already infected. I have no clue why boys are not recommended since they too spread the virus.

Vaginal HPV has two major types - high risk & low risk. Low risk tends to cause actual warts & nothing more. High risk tends not to cause warts, but can lead to cervical cancer. An OB/GYN will test to see which type a woman has if she has an abnormal pap smear.

Once you have HPV - you will carry it for the rest of your life. It may cause warts or it may not. You can always spread it to your partners and condoms really don't always do a great job of preventing it. Remember though, like any disease, you can be exposed multiple times & never become infected, or you may be infected the first time.

Anyways - get ready for a lot of outraged parents and special groups to be all up in arms that their 9 year old will need to be vaccinated for an STD. I doubt everyone will have the foresight to see that this is an awesome & essential discovery.

[newwavepunkgirl]

I blame the parents, tey don't bring their children up to fear things anymore, I was brought up catholic, I would have been MURDERED if I had gotten pregnant as a kid...There's just no disapline and moral standards thesedays...*shuffles off*[V][xx(]Seriously though it was ALWAYS available sex I mean but it wasn't the be all and end all, it's amazing we had less technology and things to do but we were actually more clued up on these things, I blame the media too for shoving sex in our faces, if I was kid I would rebel against all that and kinda be the same, the thought of being a slut never appealed...And I'll bring any kids I have up right and teach them to take care and not be easily influenced, if they got pregnant young they'd be on their own I'm afraid LOL!MIND YOU WE DID HAVE BETTER MUSIC DIDN"T WE?!!

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