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The political party thread makes me ask--and this is a serious inquery--Does ANYONE here-seriously-even if a Republican-think Bush really IS a good President? Seriously? Not a joke!!
I ask because--seriously,not just cause I hate him--I only know 2 people--TWO--from EVERYONE I know--that support him.
One truly thinks he's good, the other is just so Pro Republican that he supports him.
Anyone?

I know LOTS of people who think he's a good president. But these people also are government property, have sworn their allegiance to the commander in chief, and have been indoctrinated to actually believe the war in Iraq is necessary.

When I'm around these people I wear my black rubber bracelet that says, "I did not vote 4 Bush."

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Bush and seriously do not belong on the same page.

Could you believe that ALL of my best friends are Republican Bush supporters! Every single one! They have been my friends for years and I can't let a stupid president destroy my friendship with them. One of my best friends has a poster oh Bush hanging in the living room wall! Every time I visit him and his wife they have Fox news on. We never discuss politics. They collect elephant trinkets and have them all around their house. Wherever I travel I make sure to get them one. I do learn alot about the mindset of a republican through them.

My best friend is a Bush supporter. We never talk politics.
My sister in law was a big Bush lover but has since changed her mind. She now feels our country will implode with his leadership.

My stepfamily are staunch Reagan conservatives . . . now given that, W. has provided the most interesting quandries from them that I have never seen before of the over twenty years I've known them. I seem to get certain silences and my step uncle who was always a fiscal conservative has been quoting Bill Moyers lately regarding class issues and grave concerns he has of Bush's policies. . . One of my stepbrothers is still a major W. supporter, but even he questions what the hell we're doing in Iraq, and hopes there's some logic to it all.

And so far, it looks like these values are not continuing into the next generation. My step nephews/nieces who are of voting age are certainly liberals. (My blood/genetic family have traditionally been Democrats--and I would include my father, who is still registered Republican, but hasn't voted for one in over twenty-five years. He's really a libertarian)

Some of my friends from school days are still conservatives, but even they seem wary . . . My friends up in Oakland, well we're talking moderate to liberal, though a lot would rather call themselves independent or "progressives"--here I hear nothing but vocal, vocal anger and frustration of Bush. Some of my friends do not watch television anymore, participate in grassroots drives, and are being exposed to new wave music from "The Majority Report" on Air America
--this is quite different from the few years back in the 90's when I lived in Fort Collins, Colorado, where Rush Limbaugh was invited to speak as part of some "bake sale" and I know very well where Bush gets his support--they are NOT idiots--they just have certain belief systems and faith, etc. in someone like W. and just simply cannot believe someone of that kind can do no wrong. There are a number of people I knew and still know who I greatly respect that I'm sure think he's the greatest leader we've ever had. I think they need to be woken up, but that's just my opinion, and sometimes easier said than done when one's asking to deconstruct one's world outlook.

My parents think Bush is a "good, Christian man." I beg to differ.

They truly think he is genuine and has America's best interests at heart, and therefore, they blindly swallow everything they are fed by him.

"Liberal" issues scare them. The thought of gays getting married freaks them out. They believe 9-11 and Iraq are linked. *They* scare me.

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My best friend had been a longtime Republican. We're talking Rush Limbaugh fan here. But, for the first time in his life, he has been seriously disappointed. Calls Bush a puppet.

My in-laws are moderate Republicans. But they hate Bush. My mother-in-law says she starts yelling at the tv whenever he appears. Last election, she wrote her own name in.

A political independent, I confess, the first time around I voted for Bush. Now I think it was the worst vote I've ever cast. I voted against him the second time around and now believe he is the worst president in modern US history: Leading us into a war based on nothing but lies, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands, irreparably damaging our reputation the word over, completely bungling our Middle East foreign policy, engendering the hatred of nearly 1 billion Muslims, rolling back our civil liberties while telling us he's fighting for our "freedom" . . . the list goes on.

I live in Utah, the most "red" state in the Union, where most folks still blindly support Bush in all he does. It's a biproduct of a culture of conformance and blind, unthinking respect for authority. Thinking for one's self is not encouraged here. Fortunately, Salt Lake City is an exception to the rule, being much more progressive than the rest of the state.

If you haven't seen it, this is worth a view . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1wogkDmLlQ

Is it scary to live in a RED state?[:o)]

I think Red/Blue states are a fictional construct. We are all more or less purple. Those of us who know California know it is a big state, and if we cut off the Los Angeles, San Francisco Bay, and certain college towns in this state, we'd be quite red--especially heading Eastward.

[quote][i]Originally posted by randy[/i]
<br>Is it scary to live in a RED state?[:o)]
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Yep, especially if you hear banjos.

[quote][i]Originally posted by waldnorm[/i]
<br>I think Red/Blue states are a fictional construct. We are all more or less purple. Those of us who know California know it is a big state, and if we cut off the Los Angeles, San Francisco Bay, and certain college towns in this state, we'd be quite red--especially heading Eastward.
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That's true in many cases. I've lived in your neck of the woods (Oakland, Berkeley) and can see your point about CA. Utah may be an exception due to the religious situation. Blows me away how so many people here still swear by Bush. He could be convicted of mass murder and many here would still think he is great. It's just an artifact of the local culture of slavish obedience to authority and all things "conservative". Still, it's actually a nice place to live . . .