Site Announcements

View the results of the New Wave Outpost 20th Anniversary Top Songs Poll here:
http://www.nwoutpost.com/poll/results


Coming Soon: Top Albums Poll. Stay tuned!

Welcome to the new forum!
If you are a previously registered user, you must do the following:

1) Click on 'I forgot my password' at the login prompt
2) Enter your username and email you registered with and submit
3) You will receive an email with an activation link. Please click it and then log in using the random password provided
4) Go to your User Control Panel and click on the Profile tab
5) Click on 'Edit Account Settings' and enter your new password twice followed by the random password provided earlier. Click Submit.
6) That's it...you're back in! You may have to log in again with your new password.


If you forgot your email address, please email me (MikeP) at: mikepaulsen12@gmail.com

Note: you must now use bb code buttons in the Post form for embedded images, YouTube videos, etc.
For example, to post embedded YouTube videos: paste in the link (e.g., http://www.youtube.com/watch?XYZ1234567), highlight it and then click the YouTube button.

What does "Phony Beatle Mania" mean?

New Wave/Punk music, culture, genres, memories. '80s revivalism and other relevant topics.

What does "Phony Beatle Mania" mean?

Postby n/a5 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:43 am

I was listening to London Calling and wondered what they meant by "phony beatle mania has bitten the dust"? Was this a Punk angst against the establishment?
n/a5
The Jet Set
 
Posts: 620
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:59 am
Location:

Postby waukena » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:32 pm

The whole song is apocalyptic...'This is London Calling' was the sign on for BBC World Services during the blitz in WWII, and they broadcast on a mediumwave frequency, kinda like AM radio...'the top of the dial', even though MW is generally lower in bandwidth than AM...anyway, the line tells that the shallow showy hipster attitudes of the past have been stripped away by the brutality at hand...

London calling to the faraway towns
Now war is declared, and battle come down
London calling to the underworld
Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls
London calling, now don't look to us
Phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust
London calling, see we ain't got no swing
'Cept for the ring of that truncheon thing


a truncheon is a nightstick or other club used by paramilitary types...

that's what I think it means, anyhoo...
waukena
Room at the Top
 
Posts: 1334
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:10 am
Location: Burundi

Postby MARV » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:36 pm

Wauk, you are a veritable Clash philosopher [;)][8D]
MARV
Room at the Top
 
Posts: 7419
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:09 am
Location:

Postby ghosty » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:40 pm

Strummer was a walking encyclopedia of Rock and was a big fan of Beatles, Dylan, Elvis, Little Richard, etc. I don't think he meant it personally. If he had though, he could've taken The Beatles in a fight (maybe not ALL four...).[:D]
ghosty
Room at the Top
 
Posts: 1892
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:37 am
Location: USA

Postby Eeyore2 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:46 pm

[quote]Originally posted by Nero Lance
[br]I was listening to London Calling and wondered what they meant by "phont beatle mania has bitten the dust"? Was this a Punl angst against the establishment?
[/quote]

He was railing against "Beatlemania", which was a Broadway show featuring Beatles look-alikes.
Eeyore2
Take On Me
 
Posts: 53
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:07 am
Location: USA

Postby waukena » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:50 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by ghosty[/i]
<br> I don't think he meant it personally.
[/quote]

yeah, I agree...I think the line was an attack on the phony (obviously) attitudes that were around in Britain in 78/79 when he wrote the track...remember the big mods comeback in the UK in the late 70s...

[quote][i]Originally posted by Eeyore2[/i]
<br>He was railing against "Beatlemania", which was a Broadway show featuring Beatles look-alikes.
[/quote]

yeah, that too...that show opened in 77 here, I remember it...it was that whole revolting scene...ugh
waukena
Room at the Top
 
Posts: 1334
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:10 am
Location: Burundi

Postby Spaz » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:31 pm

It could have been a literal rip on the money-making, ridiculous ideals of the people behind Beatlemania, the silly Broadway-like show featuring four people dressed like th Beatles playing Beatles songs. It was huge in the late '70s but had essentially died out by the time the Clash kicked it's ass, lyrically. The idea was created by Americans for Americans, using British musical icons....

Soundtrack LP released, movie released, etc. Shame.

http://beatlemaniaalumni.com
Spaz
The Jet Set
 
Posts: 612
Joined: Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:32 pm
Location:

Postby 2Nu » Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:58 pm

Personally I loved the 1978 Pythonesque TV mockumentary of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rutles#The_Rutles_.281978.29" target="blank">"The Rutles"</a> in the film <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_You_Need_Is_Cash" target="blank">'All You You Need Is Cash"</a> Great lampoon of the whole Beatlemania phenomenon.[:D]
2Nu
Room at the Top
 
Posts: 2711
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:27 am
Location:

Postby Crimsor » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:00 am

I had always heard that it was a line against a mass re-release of Beatles records that was happening at the time. Not 100% sure though.

Keith
Crimsor
Take On Me
 
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:14 am
Location: USA


Return to General New Wave & '80s Discussions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests