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by **SuNomi** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:47 pm

Forget the Brits for a moment. Punk was born in the USA (with the Ramones), but is often overlooked in the mainstream. Aside from Joey & the boys, who best embodies the spirit of American Punk?

by **Peter Venkman** » Wed May 17, 2006 6:11 pm

I'd put X above the Ramones.

The inclusion of Patti Smith and Sonic Youth made me laugh. Patti Smith annoys me to no end; her version of "Hey Joe"--with it's Patty Hearst references--has all the timelessness and staying power of "Pac Man Fever". Sonic Youth are about as punk as the Fixx.


[i]"So I kill children, I love to see them die
I kill children and make their mamas cry
I kill children, I bang their heads in doors
I kill children, can't hardly wait for yours"[/i]--The Dead Kennedys, "I Kill Children"

by **Frau_Blucher** » Wed May 17, 2006 8:22 pm

X are my favorite of the bunch, but I never really marginalized them as just "punk". I voted for Black Flag, not just for their music alone but for the fact that they seemed to be part of the vanguard of American Punk that had elements of and eventually became the ongoing Hardcore scene.

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by **Rokkr** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:16 pm

Television
They were considered by all the punks I knew, when I was a punk in the late 70's to be punk, so they deserve inclusion.

In fact they DEMAND inclusion.

by **SwampThing** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:16 am

[quote]The inclusion of Patti Smith [/quote] I agree. I still don't get the connection between Patti Smith and punk/new wave.

Also, where does Iggy Pop/the Stooges fit in with regards to american punk rock. It's a given they they were more rock than punk, but they had the right attitude for sure.

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by **Frau_Blucher** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:27 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by SwampThing[/i]
<brI agree. I still don't get the connection between Patti Smith and punk/new wave.

Also, where does Iggy Pop/the Stooges fit in with regards to american punk rock. It's a given they they were more rock than punk, but they had the right attitude for sure.
[/quote]
I guess I'm fine with Patti since she was contemporaries with all those Max's/CBGB's guys all hanging out together, cross-polinating with the Cleveland folks, etc etc. She's more aligned with these guys than anymore else, so why not.

Iggy's the godfather man. [i]Prepunk?[/i]

by **SwampThing** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:42 am

[quote]I guess I'm fine with Patti since she was contemporaries with all those Max's/CBGB's guys all hanging out together, cross-polinating with the Cleveland folks, etc etc. She's more aligned with these guys than anymore else, so why not.
[/quote] I see you point. It's just weird to think how the soft artzy fartzy types could intersect with the working class knucklehead punks.

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by **Ollie Stench** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:51 am

I had to go with The Dead Boys. "Young Loud & Snotty" was my favorite album for years and years. It's funny, because I haven't listened to it in probably 5 years now. Maybe it's time to throw it on the turntable again.

by **rotator** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:46 am

Pre Rollins Black Flag is the purest essence of American punk rock.

by **EverydayItsTomorrow** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:14 am

The confusion about Patti Smith is bizarre!
MANY people think Horses(1975) is the first punk record

She has been labelled the "Poetess of Punk" since the beginning of punk
To say she is "soft artzy fartzy" makes me think that
the only song you've heard is because the night

She could kick All your asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Frau_Blucher** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:49 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by EverydayItsTomorrow[/i]
 She could kick All your asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/quote]
She DID kick my ass! Her 2 hour 15 minute set on her 59th birthday last December kicked...my...ASS. I was more worn out than her, and I bet MikeP, Schwenko, Abacab, Atreidesny, and Waukena would concur. She was amazing. Has lost NONE of her spit and fire. She's The Goddess for sure.

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by **Quite Life** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:13 am

I don't mean to be a homer here but I really favor the SF bands that played at the Mab.

The Avengers
Negitive Trend
Flipper
Crime
VKTMS
The Offs
DK
The Nuns
The Mutants

late,
jr

by **SuNomi** » Thu May 18, 2006 4:45 am

The reason I didn't include Television in the poll is that I felt they were more musically sophisticated than their contemporaries and fit into the more arty new wave paradigm of Talking Heads...just my opinion.

As for Patti, "Hey Joe" aside, her cover of "Gloria" is pure punk bliss. She was essential.

by **SwampThing** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:18 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by EverydayItsTomorrow[/i]
 ...because the night
[/quote] That and "Dancing Barefoot" [:p]

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by **WolverineSyr** » Thu May 18, 2006 6:53 am

I went with Patti Smith. Besides the Ramones, she is the most recognizable of the true punk scene for me.

Punk wasn't just about working class kids. I felt there was a place for someone like her that challenged what music should sound like, what lyrics should be, what a female rock artists should look like. She wasn't much of a singer, had the angst, energy, dissatisfaction and the look. Horses and Easter are astounding albums.

Honestly though - I really like almost everyone listed.

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