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by **EverydayItsTomorrow** » Thu May 18, 2006 8:09 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by WolverineSyr[/i]
 I went with Patti Smith. Besides the Ramones, she is the most recognizable of the true punk scene for me.

Punk wasn't just about working class kids. I felt there was a place for someone like her that challenged what music should sound like, what lyrics should be, what a female rock artists should look like. She wasn't much of a singer, had the angst, energy, dissatisfaction and the look. Horses and Easter are astounding albums.

Honestly though - I really like almost everyone listed.
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I agree with what wolverine said
It's hard to pick when everyone on there is so great.

by **EverydayItsTomorrow** » Thu May 18, 2006 8:12 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
 [quote][i]Originally posted by EverydayItsTomorrow[/i]
 She could kick All your asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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She DID kick my ass! Her 2 hour 15 minute set on her 59th birthday last December kicked...my...ASS. I was more worn out than her, and I bet MikeP, Schwenko, Abacab, Atreidesny, and Waukena would concur. She was amazing. Has lost NONE of her spit and fire. She's The Goddess for sure.

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I'm jealous

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by **coop41** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:58 pm

I had to vote Black Flag but minutemen, Descendents, Circle Jerks and Suicidal Tendencies were my true favorites!

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by **guyinsf** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:33 pm

The problem with American punk is the original wave that came with the Ramones didn't last and fizzled out after 2 albums at the most and you just can't that iconic or legendary if you were that short-lived. The early 80's scene in LA are known mainly for hardcore punk which is too raw and too underground to be representative of "American punk" like the Ramones can be. Punk has always been identified as a group-phenomenon and that's the flaw of choosing Patti Smith, cuz the line between her as a solo and her band has always been very confusing to many people. By process of elimination, I would choose X because a lot of people seem to be big fans and they lasted, even thought Exene's voice is really whiny for punk standards.

by **Jim2** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:42 pm

I'm sorry, but you missed the New York Dolls
and the Stooges.

...and I haven't felt so alive, in years.

by **Peter Venkman** » Thu May 18, 2006 7:05 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by EverydayItsTomorrow[/i]
 The confusion about Patti Smith is bizarre!
MANY people think Horses(1975) is the first punk record[/quote]

Many people think Tom Petty is new wave.

[quote] She has been labelled the "Poetess of Punk" since the beginning of punk[/quote]

Poetry and rock very rarely mix; it takes someone with more skill than Patti to make it work. There are few things worse than listening to a record and having the rock stop for a poetry bridge; who does she think she is? Justin Hayward?

[quote]
She could kick All your asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/quote]

I could take her. She's pretty old by now.


[i]"So I kill children, I love to see them die
I kill children and make their mamas cry
I kill children, I bang their heads in doors
I kill children, can't hardly wait for yours"[/i]--The Dead Kennedys, "I Kill Children"

by **Frau_Blucher** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:07 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by guyinsf[/i]
 The problem with American punk is the original wave that came with the Ramones didn't last and fizzled out after 2 albums at the most and you just can't that iconic or legendary if you were that short-lived. The early 80's scene in LA are known mainly for hardcore punk which is too raw and too underground to be representative of "American punk" like the Ramones can be.
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Just for discussion's sake...

1. Icons and Legends often DO flare up and fizzle out fast...it's often what makes them Legends and Icons! The Sex Pistols anyone? Naaah! They're not iconic. [;)] Neither are James Dean, JFK, MLK, Lincoln, Joan of Arc, Alexander, or Jesus Christ.

2. Hardcore might be too raw and underground, but it's what's persisted of punk. If the unrepresentative becomes the representative, then it's, um, representative, no?

[i]The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long...and you have burned so very very brightly[/i] -- Eldon Tyrell

by **KYYX4ever** » Fri May 19, 2006 12:21 am

Black Flag for me. They really embodied the angry/ message political thrash of the West Coast. Both pre-and during-Rollins.

by **EverydayItsTomorrow** » Fri May 19, 2006 3:25 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by Peter Venkman[/i]
 [quote][i]Originally posted by EverydayItsTomorrow[/i]
 The confusion about Patti Smith is bizarre!
MANY people think Horses(1975) is the first punk record[/quote]

Many people think Tom Petty is new wave.

[quote] She has been labelled the "Poetess of Punk" since the beginning of punk[/quote]

Poetry and rock very rarely mix; it takes someone with more skill than Patti to make it work. There are few things worse than listening to a record and having the rock stop for a poetry bridge; who does she think she is? Justin Hayward?

[quote]
She could kick All your asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/quote]

I could take her. She's pretty old by now.


[i]"So I kill children, I love to see them die
I kill children and make their mamas cry
I kill children, I bang their heads in doors
I kill children, can't hardly wait for yours"[/i]--The Dead Kennedys, "I Kill Children"
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I think there is something wrong with you.
Patti is in the Oxford Book of American Poetry so she must
be doing something right.
Maybe read "Please Kill Me"
Maybe listen and learn instead
of forming opinions without any criteria.

by **Spit** » Fri May 19, 2006 5:29 am

I liked The Dictators. Remember "Baby Let's Twist" and "No Tomorrow". Maybe a little on the pop punk side , but still great tunes.

by **Peter Venkman** » Fri May 19, 2006 3:10 pm

[quote]
I think there is something wrong with you.
Patti is in the Oxford Book of American Poetry so she must
be doing something right.[/quote]

Ten to one the inclusion of Patti Smith was a bone tossed to the hipster crowd.

[quote]Maybe read "Please Kill Me"[/quote]

I did. Iggy gets the clap from Nico...blah, blah...Patti Smith balls Tom Verlaine...blah, blah...Dee Dee does tricks...blah, blah...

[quote]Maybe listen and learn instead of forming opinions without any criteria.[/quote]

I stand by my original statement: Patti Smith isn't punk.


[i]"I could join a pray-peace group;
Explain it all away,
'Cause groups can change the world
And meet Ms. Fjord and Benny."[/i]--The Fall, "2nd Dark Age"

by **EverydayItsTomorrow** » Fri May 19, 2006 5:33 pm

She is the formation of punk.
She is an original punk
If you don't like her that is a different story
Your only 28!

by **Peter Venkman** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:03 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by EverydayItsTomorrow[/i]
 She is the formation of punk.[/quote]
Iggy and the Velvets are the formation of punk. Smith is just a barnacle clinging to the hull.
[quote]She is an original punk[/quote]
She is hardly what I'd call an "original". The three songs she is most remembered for are Hey Joe, Gloria, and Because the Night.
Hey Joe was written by Billy Roberts.
Gloria was written by Van Morrison.
Because the night was written by BRUUUUCE.

Furthermore, she ripped the poetry thing off of Jim Morrison. Hell, she even stole the rock chick thing from Suzy Quatro. And [i]she's[/i] not punk.
[quote]If you don't like her that is a different story[/quote]
I don't [i]hate[/i] her. I just don't think she's "punk", per se.
[quote]Your only 28![/quote]
Exactly; since I was not yet born when she came onto the scene, I am able to view her with an uncritical eye, free of prejudice or sentiment.


[i]"I could join a pray-peace group;
Explain it all away,
'Cause groups can change the world
And meet Ms. Fjord and Benny."[/i]--The Fall, "2nd Dark Age"

by **EverydayItsTomorrow** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:24 am

The song was Hey Joe rewritten with a Patty Hearst spoken section. It is not one of her most famous songs. It is the B-side of her single Piss Factory

She completlely rewrote Gloria it's mostly the chorus that remains towards the end of the song. This was a radical idea to rewrite a basic rock song and completely change it's meaning" Jesus died for somebody's sins...but not mine" is about as far away as you can get from the super christian Van Morrison and one of the best opening lyrics ever written.

Actually Patti and Bruce co-wrote “Because the Night”

Jim morrison was a terrible poet and his lyrics only work because of his delivery and the talent of the rest of the band. Forgive me Doors fans.

Suzy was a huge flop in the US most famous for being Leather Tuscadero way latter in her career. Maybe you could say Janis or Grace influenced her but she really was influenced by male artists like Lou Reed.

Like male rockers and punk males never influence each other? Rock has always been about stealing, look at David Bowie. And Patti if anything was completely original

I did not say you hated Patti and I don’t care if you do.

You have no since of true history and your influenced by everything they came after. I am not even a huge Patti Smith fan but I know how important she is and that a lot of people with a lot more knowledge than both of us agree with me as well.

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