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Postby georgie rockwood » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:23 am

hey....i'm just quoting the authors about their interpetations about the artists/bands they listed like,,,tom petty & the heartbreakers,bruce springsteen,asbury jukes,the babys,pat benatar etc...from this book.
like i said before,i've not listed any bands that i like etc...the list(s) all come from the book.
i'm quite famaliar with all the bands listed etc..and had their records etc...you have to remember that probaly most all these bands were very popular in the countries listed in the book and at the time, 1970's thru 1980,these bands were NEW WAVE/PUNK/POWER POP..
alot of these bands were the forrunners to new wave that alot of you grew up on in the late 1980's.
don't take this out of context,but alot of you were probaly still very young in the time these groups were setting the standards of new wave etc...and probaly have never heard of most of them and because of that,you can't register them as new wave.
you have to remember that,like this book states,new wave has been around since probaly 1973 and was its height/popularity from about 1975 thru 1980.
most of you who are now 40 something & was into music and or new wave at this time will agree with the authors and the artists/bands they listed,and you who are in their early 30's or 20 something can't register these artists as new wave etc...so please dont take that out of context.
what's very interesting tho,is the bands the authors listed as...FUTURE NEW WAVE BANDS?LURKING IN THE SHADOWS for 1979/80 who at the time the book was published just released their debut albums etc..and by 1981 went on to big success like,,,nervous rex,martha and the muffins,jules and the polar bears,tommy tutone,scooters,joan jett,a's,etc..........
this book,like i said,is one of the best about NEW WAVE,so check it out if you can find it.....
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<br>The authors greatly expanded this book in 1983 and called it, "The New Rock 'N' Roll: The A-Z Of Rock In The '80s."

As pointed out, it's significant that the original book was published in 1980...there was clearly a different perspective on what was considered "New Wave" back then; it doesn't make their choices necessarily right or wrong. Also, the book was written from an Australian viewpoint (one of the authors was an Australian music critic).

I read both these books when they were originally released and at the time they were amongst my favorites on the subject -- lively bios, great pics. Sure, nearly 30 years later my opinions may have evolved, but have you read ANY 80's discography where you agreed with 100% of the entries (except maybe the classic "International Discography Of The Wave" -- and that 730-page bible only covered until 1983!...get it at Amazon for only 163 bucks cheap!)?
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Amazingly the International Discography of the New Wave Vol.1 1980 has listings for Tom Petty[:0](but not Broooce)
Volume 1982/83 (which I picked up for about $60) has neither listed

Rip It Up and Start Again has references to Brooce, but in the context of how new wave/postpunk influenced "mainstream" rockers, e.g. introduction of keyboards/synths in "Dancing In the Dark")

Personnaly I think an argument can be made for Pat Benatar, mostly with reference to clothing/hair/make-up style. I have never bought any of her records.
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Postby WolverineSyr » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:27 am

I am 44. I think that gives me a great perspective on what was & wasn't considered new wave in the late 70's & early 80's because I was there to listen to the radio programming, what was written about in the magazines and what got played on late night video shows, before Mtv came along. Believe me - there would be no way I'd be caught dead with a Bruce album at the time - he was firmly entrenched as the be all & end all of album-oriented rock radio.

Trust me, no one would have ever dared to categorize Bruce Springsteen as new wave. He had nothing to do with it, was everything the genre was not and I think there was a massive divide between fans.

I'll give you The Babys. They sound fairly contemporary along side other acts. Pat Benatar was always a rock act. I never found her look to be "rock" or "new wave." It was simply the style of the day.

If looking a certain way makes an artist new wave - then "I Love the Nightlife" Alicia Bridges is a punk rocker. See the disparity?
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Postby eight6 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:36 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by WolverineSyr[/i]


If looking a certain way makes an artist new wave - then "I Love the Nightlife" Alicia Bridges is a punk rocker. See the disparity?

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Postby MikeP » Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:31 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by rewind[/i]
<br>The authors greatly expanded this book in 1983 and called it, "The New Rock 'N' Roll: The A-Z Of Rock In The '80s."
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Yep ... one of my gold standard references back in the day. Reminds me I should pull out my poor dog-eared copy with its deteriorated spine and flip thru it again. An interesting mix of the obscure, one-album no-wonders and the bona fide classic. Glenn Baker & Stuart Coupe attempted to anticipate where the New Wave explosion was heading back in '82. Indeed, the forgettable likes of Pookiesnackenburger and Showaddywaddy were good for a laugh, if in name alone.
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Postby georgie rockwood » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:38 am

like i said,,,,i'm not saying bruce springsteen was ever new wave,,,to me bruce was typical americana roots rock etc...
i'm just quoting from the book,thats all.
i think because of tom petty's first 2 albums did have that new wave edge to them especially with his tune,"breakdown",i can see where the authors would come up with that assumption etc...
like i said before,,,,all the bands listed come from the book,i did not add any groups to the list.
but i think most of the groups were typical (new wave/punk/power pop) for the day,,,1975 thru to 1980.....[quote][i]Originally posted by WolverineSyr[/i]
<br>I am 44. I think that gives me a great perspective on what was & wasn't considered new wave in the late 70's & early 80's because I was there to listen to the radio programming, what was written about in the magazines and what got played on late night video shows, before Mtv came along. Believe me - there would be no way I'd be caught dead with a Bruce album at the time - he was firmly entrenched as the be all & end all of album-oriented rock radio.

Trust me, no one would have ever dared to categorize Bruce Springsteen as new wave. He had nothing to do with it, was everything the genre was not and I think there was a massive divide between fans.

I'll give you The Babys. They sound fairly contemporary along side other acts. Pat Benatar was always a rock act. I never found her look to be "rock" or "new wave." It was simply the style of the day.

If looking a certain way makes an artist new wave - then "I Love the Nightlife" Alicia Bridges is a punk rocker. See the disparity?

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Postby georgie rockwood » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:45 am

it would be interesting tho, of which artists and or bands have you heard of or heard anything from them.....
like i said before,i had albums or singles from most of the artists listed in this book,but the most interesting were.....
the breakers
the orchids
the angels
jojo zep
pere ubu
john foxx
dolly dots
kayak
tuff darts
durocs
members
flowers (icehouse)
radiators
original mirrors
headboys
new adventures
scooters
martha and the muffins
jules and the polar bears



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Postby ben_at_work » Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:39 am

All I want to know is where Jesus Jones fits into all of this.
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Postby stranded » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:32 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by WolverineSyr[/i]
<br>I am 44. I think that gives me a great perspective on what was & wasn't considered new wave in the late 70's & early 80's because I was there to listen to the radio programming, what was written about in the magazines and what got played on late night video shows, before Mtv came along. Believe me - there would be no way I'd be caught dead with a Bruce album at the time - he was firmly entrenched as the be all & end all of album-oriented rock radio.

Trust me, no one would have ever dared to categorize Bruce Springsteen as new wave. He had nothing to do with it, was everything the genre was not and I think there was a massive divide between fans.

I'll give you The Babys. They sound fairly contemporary along side other acts. Pat Benatar was always a rock act. I never found her look to be "rock" or "new wave." It was simply the style of the day.

If looking a certain way makes an artist new wave - then "I Love the Nightlife" Alicia Bridges is a punk rocker. See the disparity?

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I agree with WolverineSyr on this one. I too was around to see all these bands emerge. I was also lucky enough to work on music videos with most of the Australian bands at the time.

The book which I've had since it was published was great in it's day. Glen A Baker & Stuart Coupe were and still are considered music guru's here down under.

The way I see it is if you think late 70's early 80's New Wave/Power Pop sounds New Wave, well it is. Likewise, if does not sound New Wave to you well it's not.

The New Wave/Power Pop scene started here in Australia when disco music was at a peak. There were so many music lovers that were not into disco, me included,and were yearning for something new. Things had to change, and thank god they did.
The music scene in pubs started to explode. Bands were emerging from the woodwork. It was the best period in Australia for live music. Even to date it was never like those days.

With all those bands appearing, not all necessarly sounded New Wave to me.
Here are some bands that I thought were New Wave.

The Saints
The Go-Betweens
The Machinations
Icehouse (Flowers)
Spy v's Spy
The Church
Died Pretty
Hunters & Collectors
The Hitmen
The Sunnyboys
The Reels
The Ventians
Do-Re-Mi
Real Life
Pseudo Echo
Boom Crash Opera
James Freud
Lime Spiders
The Numbers
X L Capris
Lipstick Killers
Sardine
Single Gun Theory
The Metronomes
Equal Local
Hoodoo Gurus (Early)
Inxs (Early)
Split Enz (Early)NZ
Flash & the Pan (Early)

Here is a list of bands, although very good bands, they just happend to be around during the music explosion. And I never considered them New Wave.

Mental As Anything
Midnight Oil
The Angels
Cold Chisel
The Dynamic Hypnotics
Eurogliders
Australian Crawl
Mondo Rock
The Divinyls
The Radiators
The Dugites
Jo Jo Zepp and the Falcons
Rose Tattoo
Mi-Sex (NZ)
Dragon (NZ)
Just to mention some that people on this site would know.

I know a lot of people would disagree with these lists. But, can you see where I'm coming from. It's all in the ear of the be-holder. [:)]
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Postby TragicMagic » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:20 pm

^ Bloody well said Stranded.

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Postby shovelbum » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:35 am

Now y'all have me intrigued about this book! I will have to pick it up from the library for a summer read.

I can't believe they included "the Boss". To this day, his voice and style instigate a gag reaction from me.

*shudder*

Speaking of Bruce, does anyone here who's familiar with the Killers agree with me that their newest CD release sounds very Springsteen inspired? I loved their first release- Hot Fuss, but can't even consider buying this newest one. Sooo disappointing. (It's like when you find out your fair haired child cheated on a school exam [V])

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Postby georgie rockwood » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:55 am

yeah buy the book shovel it's fun reading !!!!!!!

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Postby georgie rockwood » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:04 am

i was wandering if any of you had bought anything from any of the more obscure bands/artists listed in the book by the 2 authors ????
for me,because of this book,i bought the albums by....
little bo bitch (the lonely boys for the usa)
the breakers
toy love
starjets
athletice spizz 80
young love
dolly dots


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Postby djcraig » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:44 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by stranded[/i]
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I'll give you The Babys. They sound fairly contemporary along side other acts.
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I like The Baby's but they were a lot closer to (albeit better than) mainstream arena Rock like Loveboy or Foreigner than they were to The Cure or The Smiths.

I remember KROQ in LA playing Mental As Anything, Midnight Oil and The Divinyls in heavy rotation. They seemed to fit in fine with the New Wave format. With the exception of a couple of Midnight Oil songs, the AOR stations here wouldn't touch them.


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