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Before and After

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:04 am
by NuWaveRx
There are numerous examples of bands that changed lead singers and continued to record with the same name. Just a couple that spring to mind:

Wall of Voodoo
Kajagoogoo
Bronski Beat

And I'm sure many others I'm forgetting. For fans of those bands do youn prefer the "before" or "after" formation? Or liked them both for different reasons?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:43 am
by club80
The first one that comes to mind for me is Ultravox (John Foxx/Midge Ure). I prefer the second version but the John Foxx stuff was good too.
Others that come to mind immediately are:
Haircut One Hundred

The Ruts (though they changed their name to Ruts D.C. after Malcolm Owen's death so maybe that doesn't count).

Sex Pistols technically qualify with Eddie Tenpole filling in after Johnny left the band and there were recordings with him as frontman on The Great Rock 'N' Roll Swindle.



We didn't sell a lot of records, but somehow we left an impression.
-Johnny Ramone-

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:47 am
by TerryMc
Certainly more hard rock than new wave, but absolutely 80s. The most obvious answer to this one is Van Halen, switching from David Lee Roth to Sammy Hagar. Personally, even though his solo stuff is awful, Roth was the much better fit for VH.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:19 pm
by empyrean
Echo AndThe Bunnymen after Ian McCulloch left got a new singer under the same name. I still like EAB with IAN because he's such a good songwriter.

Ditto with 10,000 Maniacs.

Didnt care about INXS though.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:50 pm
by glokstadt
All I can think of right now, was whenI saw The Pogues at the Wiltern Theatre and Joe Strummer was the lead singer in place of front man Shane MacGowan... they did some great Clash covers too!



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:26 am
by SuNomi
Wall Of Voodoo's first incarnation was by far the most unique with Stan Ridgway's cinematic sensibilities and twangy vocal delivery. But all the same, I remember being surprised at how "Seven Days In Sammystown" managed to be a fully realized departure while maintaining WOV's darker edge. I think had they changed the name (like New Order did) they would've been more successful as so many people just couldn't shake Stan's association with it.

On the other hand, I can't imagine Black Flag without Henry Rollins
stalking the stage like a wild predator. Or the Buzzcocks without Pete Shelley's sweet-natured angst.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:44 am
by glokstadt
[quote][i]Originally posted by SuNomi[/i]
<br>On the other hand, I can't imagine Black Flag without Henry Rollins
stalking the stage like a wild predator. Or the Buzzcocks without Pete Shelley's sweet-natured angst.

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Does that mean you don't like Greg Gin before Henry in Black Flag? Or Howard Devoto singing in The Buzzcocks before Pete?



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:53 am
by i_like_lectric_motors
Ginn played guitar in the almighty Flag, both before and after Henry joined. The vocalists before Rollins were Keith Morris, Ron Reyes (Chavo Pederast), and Dez Cadena.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:54 am
by glokstadt
[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>Ginn played guitar in the almighty Flag, both before and after Henry joined. The vocalists before Rollins were Keith Morris, Ron Reyes (Chavo Pederast), and Dez Cadena.

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Thx Motors, got 'em mixed around in my head... [:p]


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:07 am
by i_like_lectric_motors
[quote][i]Originally posted by marie3[/i]
<br>Great topic NuWaveRx.

Unfortunately all I can think of is AC/DC. Not very new wave. [:I]
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And Judas Priest and Iron Maiden and Journey and more recently Blind Melon and Alice In Chains.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:33 am
by schwenko
The Undertones

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:23 am
by abacab66
[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by marie3[/i]
<br>Great topic NuWaveRx.

Unfortunately all I can think of is AC/DC. Not very new wave. [:I]
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And Judas Priest and Iron Maiden and Journey and more recently Blind Melon and Alice In Chains.


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And Genesis.[:I]
Hey, Peter Gabriel, if he's not in the sphere of new wave is pretty darn close.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:27 am
by club80
[quote][i]Originally posted by SuNomi[/i]
<br>Wall Of Voodoo's first incarnation was by far the most unique with Stan Ridgway's cinematic sensibilities and twangy vocal delivery. But all the same, I remember being surprised at how "Seven Days In Sammystown" managed to be a fully realized departure while maintaining WOV's darker edge. I think had they changed the name (like New Order did) they would've been more successful as so many people just couldn't shake Stan's association with it.

On the other hand, I can't imagine Black Flag without Henry Rollins
stalking the stage like a wild predator. Or the Buzzcocks without Pete Shelley's sweet-natured angst.


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Two great examples, SuNomi!
The original Keith Morris incarnation of Black Flag was very good. To me, they were more punk than hardcore during that period.

Obviously, the Pete Shelley version of Buzzcocks is the classic version but the Howard Devoto version was great too. The recordings available for that timeframe were very raw (Spiral Scratch EP and the later release of the Time's Up LP). Very, VERY worth getting if you've never heard it.



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-Johnny Ramone-

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:40 am
by i_like_lectric_motors
Queen! Rainbow! Black Sabbath! Manfred Mann's Earth Band! J. Geils Band! Pink Floyd!

Oh, and Dead Kennedys.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:02 pm
by patchyfogg
Faith No More, Survivor