New Wave Outpost Forum

I always get involved in the same discussion with friends.

Post-Punk bands like Echo & The Bunnymen, The Chameleons UK, The Jesus & Mary Chain, New Order, etc are often categorized as New Wave all together with bands like Duran Duran, The Cars, Human League, A-ha, etc.

I understand there are differences like fashion, hair color, music. New Wave B52's style and fashion is completely different from Post-Punk bands like the Echo & The Bunnymen. Post-Punk was more darker.

New Wave was mainstream and later vanished or turned into Pop while Post-Punk was more underground and later emerged into Alternative.
Back in the 80s MTV played New Wave regularly ? Did they play Post-Punk music ?

1.- What are the main differences between New Wave and Post-Punk ?
2.- Why do people always confuse both ?
3.- Why do people always use the term "New Wave" as a catch-all term for both New Wave and Post-Punk ?

FarFetch.

And while we're at it, why do they have to lump Country AND Western together when practically anyone can tell they're so clearly two different styles of music. Golly.

Post-Punk was not only "more darker", it was more better.

PS I hate when people confuse Mod and Ska. And don't even get me started on Rhythm and Blues.





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Worst mis-matched combination of genres:

Goth and Industrial.
Completely different beasts.

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Happens all the time... criss-cross genres.


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[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
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I hate when people confuse Mod and Ska.
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No shit! Happens all the time, maybe because Mods/Skins/Rudies all hung out together, and the clubs always (back then and today still) spin soul, power pop, and ska/rocksteady genres all together.

I love it all! [8D]


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[quote][i]Originally posted by glokstadt[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
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I hate when people confuse Mod and Ska.


No shit! Happens all the time, maybe because Mods/Skins/Rudies all hung out together, and the clubs always (back then and today still) spin soul, power pop, and ska/rocksteady genres all together.

I love it all! [/quote]

I agree Glok. My personal opinion is that the hair spliting of genre names can work against people hearing good music.

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Some people here are so wrong about music genres. I was so pissed off when i heard a local TV host saying that "new wave is the godfather of EMO" on national TV.

I get so mad everytime people confuse New Wave and EMO !

sometimes i can understand it, some music is difficult to put a label on.
I don't know for USA, but here in belgium and europe there was a time just after the punk era, they labeled everything with a new "sound" as new wave, so if there was something new that they could not call punk, hard rock or disco , they called it new wave [:D][:)]. It was also a marketing strategie because new wave was better to sell like punk or post punk, because punk had a bad (agressieve) image.

I know what you mean.

In my opinion whatever you call it- hot funk, cool punk, even if its old junk, next phase, new wave, dance craze... its still rock and roll to me.

Unless it's Post-Punk.





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This is always difficult. Two years ago Simon Reynolds wrote a book: Post-punk - Rip it up and start again. For him post-punk was more a period than a style. The book covers acts like PiL and Gang of Four, but also Frankie goes to Hollywood. Maybe a band like Scritti Politti is the link between the genres. It is well written, so I recommend it!

Yes, New Wave and Post-Punk are different, but I like to think that there were many members of both genres that blurred the line. Listen to The Psychedelic Furs' "Ghost In You" and tell me that's not Post-Punk gone New Wave.

I use them both interchangeably because I love both genres so much. They co-existed and were intertwined. The Cure, Post-Punk gods, gave us "The Walk." Depeche Mode, the kings of New Wave, brought us...well, they brought us.

I have a more fun time analyzing the New Romantics and their New Wave contemporaries.

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I've heard people call bands like: The Smiths/Depeche/Icehouse "postpunk". I honestly have to admit, Im not sure what the difference is either?

I will agree that "goth and Industrial" should not be lumped together as a single "genre" which it is in most cases, as they are completely different. But, they asre played alot @ goth/industrial clubs, so i can see why they're "sorta" lumped together.

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[quote][i]Originally posted by TheMunDial[/i]


I have a more fun time analyzing the New Romantics and their New Wave contemporaries.


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I think New Romantics are a subgenre and part of New Wave but Post-Punk and New Wave are completely different genres.

Post-Punk bands like Echo & The Bunnymen, The Chameleons UK, etc sound and look different from New Wave bands like B52's, Duran Duran, The Cars...

New Wave was 80s mainstream Pop, pure and simple while Post-Punk was influenced by Punk, it was arty and darker, definitely not mainstream.

yeah , but sometimes there's a thin line between the 2 genres, so it's normal people get confused.
what i often have remarked is the difference between different countrys, groups that in one country is called new wave , is not called that way in another country. If we look at duran duran: in the beginning it was called new wave here in belgium, after having succes it changed in pop, and still is called pop, nowaday we call it "eightiespop"
The term of post punk was not often used in belgium, we used the more general new wave term for everything that sound new and was not mainstream during the beginning of the eighties, instead there were sub genres like doomwave,coldwave, electrowave etc..
In the UK they used the term "indie music" as a general genre, i don't think they used much the new wave term (correct me if i'm wrong).
At the end of the eighties , people start much using the term "alternatieve music" also as a general genre that included everything not mainstream.And this one is funny: during the nineties i often heard the term "studio brussel music", named after a famous radiostaion, but they played so much different styles from disco to punk etc, that this name was ridiculus. But still today ther are much people if you ask wich music they like, they answer : "studio brussel music" [:)][:D][B)]
So as i said it's sometimes very difficult to name music, and to me i don't mind, if i like it is ok to me. But sometimes it's helpfull if you talk with somebody about a group , you can discribe what genre it is.