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The "Joy Division" comparisons

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:36 am
by bleek
Seems like I see review after review by lazy magazine review geeks comparing every neo post-punk band to JD. Even when they might share more in common with say Comsat Angels, Gang of Four, The Clean, P Furs, Translator, Bunnymen or a bunch of other post-punk. But no, it's always reduced to JD comparisons.
I can see that to people in their 20s and 30s there's little perspective on the wide base of bands that were active and on the radio, doing really amazing stuff. But then how can one expect to have that perspective unless they were there, right?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:01 pm
by Frau_Blucher
It's a fair point, and I do think some of it is laziness. However, also think about how differently people use language when doing such comparisons. They might say something is [i]like[/i] Gang of Four or is [i]similar[/i] to Bunnymen or very [i]reminiscent[/i] of Comsat Angels. The band mentioned is usually the object of a preposition following a predicate adjective of a linking verb.

Often though, [i]Joy Division[/i] itself is used as the predicate noun of a linking verb directly, with no adjective or prepositional object used. For example, I might say "It's very Joy Division to question the validity of Joy Division comparisons" (and I would! [;)]). [i]Joy Division[/i] by itself has come to mean more than just what the music sounds like but sometimes even what their ethos and style was. It's therefore not surprising that people might reach for a more-iconic comparison.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:13 am
by zill
[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
<br>It's a fair point, and I do think some of it is laziness. However, also think about how differently people use language when doing such comparisons. They might say something is [i]like[/i] Gang of Four or is [i]similar[/i] to Bunnymen or very [i]reminiscent[/i] of Comsat Angels. The band mentioned is usually the object of a preposition following a predicate adjective of a linking verb.

Often though, [i]Joy Division[/i] itself is used as the predicate noun of a linking verb directly, with no adjective or prepositional object used. For example, I might say "It's very Joy Division to question the validity of Joy Division comparisons" (and I would! [;)]). [i]Joy Division[/i] by itself has come to mean more than just what the music sounds like but sometimes even what their ethos and style was. It's therefore not surprising that people might reach for a more-iconic comparison.
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Oh fuck, Blir, go Joy Division yourself.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:37 am
by Frau_Blucher
[quote][i]Originally posted by zill[/i]
<br>Oh fuck, Blir, go Joy Division yourself.
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Just finished my morning one actually. Wish it wasn't going to be such a long day to get to my evening one.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:23 am
by KYYX4ever
[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
<br>It's a fair point, and I do think some of it is laziness. However, also think about how differently people use language when doing such comparisons. They might say something is [i]like[/i] Gang of Four or is [i]similar[/i] to Bunnymen or very [i]reminiscent[/i] of Comsat Angels. The band mentioned is usually the object of a preposition following a predicate adjective of a linking verb.

Often though, [i]Joy Division[/i] itself is used as the predicate noun of a linking verb directly, with no adjective or prepositional object used. For example, I might say "It's very Joy Division to question the validity of Joy Division comparisons" (and I would! [;)]). [i]Joy Division[/i] by itself has come to mean more than just what the music sounds like but sometimes even what their ethos and style was. It's therefore not surprising that people might reach for a more-iconic comparison.
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Can you come speak to my English 12 class next Thursday at 12:30, thanks Blir, I love you.

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