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Either The Chameleons "The Fan and the Bellows" or The Church's "Starfish", both in 1988.

Hummm, do you mean last of the New Wave or/and record in terms of complete project like an old vinyl album. I'll assume both with an and statement.
New Wave is still around being produced, it's just not sold in albums anymore, single songs over the internet seems to be the new medium, get enough together then offer the best of on cd and or remastered along with some older material.
There's good and bad in the new environment. I find this question more interesting, who thinks the new environment for musicians is better or worse than the pre internet age?

Thunder in the Mountains by Toyah

I'm not sure about its actual catagorization, but for some reason, in my mind the last "new" NW album I bought was The Ocean Blue's debut LP in 1989. For me, over the years, the album marks the breaking point in my collection between post-punk/NW (pre that LP) and everything after it.

1990 Lush & Siouxsie & the Banshees, lots of good material I would consider in the new wave category. Trying to come up with something in a full album afterward. Humm

4 AD was still putting out some decent material in the early 90's, like His Name is Alive.
The Epoxies - 2002
Guess it matters how liberal you are with the definition of New Wave, heck we can't even agree on what was New Wave in the 80's. LOL

For me personally, I always think of The Spoons - Bridges Over Borders in 1986...in my mind the last important but dying breath taken by the genre in Canada.

Whatever it is, it probably was released pre-'Smells Like Teen Spirit'. The Ocean Blue is a good pick. How about the House of Love? Pixies? The Primitives? Information Society? Electronic? The Sugarcubes? I wouldn't include the 4AD stuff in NW befcause I associate it with the 90s (though one could easily argue that the 4AD stuff that came out in the 90s was a logical progression from NW, and yes I know 4AD had been around in the 80s anyway). I also wouldn't include the Madchester stuff, which started in the late 80s, for the same reason.

Thats funny, I consider 4AD the ultimate New Wave material label. Especially the dark wave beginnings of Goth. The early mid 90's 4AD material was just a natural continuation from the 80's, which of course became less popular as music became even more fractionalized, never the less a devout following.

Clan of Xymox - one of my favorites
Cocteau Twins
Dead Can Dance

How do you not associate 4AD with the 80's NW?
1980 on were strong
Bauhaus, The The, Modern English, The Birthday Party, etc. all started with 4AD in 1980.

Tough question.

What year was it when the term "New Wave" was no longer used to describe a band? Wether it be a review, magazine article or radio. When did the term "New Wave" leave our popular culture? I'm thinking somewhere in the Mid 80's.

And even though I agree that Ocean Blue had a very new wave sound, I don't recall them being described as new wave. I think it was 'College Rock' or 'Modern Rock' which then morphed into 'Alternative' which then went mainstream. At this point anything that couldn't make it on a corporate radio station became "Indie". Well I guess there was always 'Indie' bands, but it seems the term became heavily used in popular culture.


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That's also an oxymoron. When was New Wave ever apart of popular culture, what is popular culture? Maybe the question should be framed as, When was New Wave at its most popular phase percentage wise to other genres?

"Apart" or "a part"?

[quote][i]Originally posted by elviscaprice[/i]
How do you not associate 4AD with the 80's NW?
1980 on were strong
Bauhaus, The The, Modern English, The Birthday Party, etc. all started with 4AD in 1980.
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Like I said, I know 4AD was around in the 80s, and its bands could certainly qualify as NW. I'm just saying that I personally associate it more with bands like Lush, Mojave 3, Red House Painters, Belly etc-- probably mainly cos a friend of mine was really into that stuff in the 90s. A bit myopic, yes I know.

Also, re the Ocean Blue: if we're talking about NW only in terms of style, then yes I agree they would be (and probably were, at the time) considered 'college rock' or 'modern rock' rather than NW. But if we're defining NW more broadly, that is, with relation to mainstream music, then I think they could be considered NW.

[quote][i]Originally posted by q89747[/i]
<br>Like I said, I know 4AD was around in the 80s, and its bands could certainly qualify as NW. I'm just saying that I personally associate it more with bands like Lush, Mojave 3, Red House Painters, Belly etc-- probably mainly cos a friend of mine was really into that stuff in the 90s. A bit myopic, yes I know.
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Bang-on with my perceptions as well. There was a ton of good 80s to 90s off-mainstream pop that swirled within and around the 4AD label. Most if not all wasn't remotely new wave. There was a whole world of that sorta pop that seemed to exist in a just slightly parallel universe while college rock then grunge and electronica took the forefront.