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[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>My all-time favourite movie is Tarkovsky's [i]Solaris[/i], though - and I've only seen that around a measly 10 times[V] (not counting specific scenes I've watched over and over).[/quote]

I need to see the original [|)] But the remake with George Clooney is certainly one of my favorite, favorite films. I thought I lost my copy once and went berserk trying to locate it to no avail so I actually went out and bought another one only to find the original a few weeks later, lol.....so now I have two.

Hey X, does'nt it make your heart sink to see such great movies selling on eBay for like $2.99? That's about how much I think I paid for a used copy of Solaris.


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<p align="justify">Not in the least, marv. I'm happy that everyone can afford to see this great movie. The Soderbergh version is good and definitely adds to the book and the Tarkovsky film; it highlights parts of the story that Tarkovsky completely ignored and hits upon the past relationships. Personally, I didn't get into the book and I know Tarkovsky's adaptation wasn't exactly by-the-book, but the movie added something which I felt the book lacked - human qualities that I could relate to: regret, obsession, inability to overcome certain emotions, giving into those emotions, etc. Granted, I was in my late teens when I decided to pick up the book and read it after I saw the movie, so timing is everything... mebbe if I read the book first I'd agree with Lem not liking the movie adaptation. As it stands, it remains the best film I have ever seen because it is not only aesthetically close to the perfect movie, but it also managed to reach out to me on a very personal level (the Russian actor who plays "Kris Kelvin", Donatas Banionis, reminds me a lot of how my father looked - as I remember him when I was a kid...).

[Panorama]

[quote][i]Originally posted by living in shadow[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
I feel the same way -- give me a million dollar race car and I'll be a race car driver too. Do they consider it professional when they crash their car?[/quote]

I missed this earlier, but wanted to comment on it.

I could give you a million dollar race car, and you would be a race car driver for all of 10 seconds until you put in the wall. Athletes are measured by more than just fast running or leaping ability. Split second timing and decision making while travelling at 200 mph., and enduring multiple G's for a couple of hours is athletic by any definition.

Is your definition of professional infallibility?

Before making light of it, you should attempt it.[/quote]I highly doubt you have a million dollars to spend on a race car, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt -- you supply the car and I'll drive it 200 mph.

As for the car crashing, If I had to compare it to what I do, it would be like throwing away my entire lot of photo gear on a job, and if I was lucky enough to walk away alive, expecting someone else to foot the entire bill.

I never said they don't have endurance or nerves of steel, but I've driven my 68 Toronado at 130 MPH on an open freeway and it was quite a rush -- I believe I could drive a car 200 MPH on a track with no problem.

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[MARV]

I'm watching CNN's live coverage of Karr's arrival in LA. Every now and then a story grips me and I can't get away from the TV. Which makes my new laptop here very handy [^]

X, with so many film to choose from and your vast knowledge of the artform, I wonder why you say Solaris is aesthetically close to the perfect film. And am I right in assuming you're talking about the Tarkovsky version? Again, I really need to see it to speak definitively about the Soderbergh version but nevertheless, I find it gripping and seductive with a sense of visually rhthmic poetry. The abstract and dark(ish) exploration of human emotion is as spellbinding as Clooney's (imho) best performance. Good art challenges us; science fiction by virtue of it's fantastic nature is a natural vehicle to present such challenging concepts and good science fiction takes advantage of that. For the same reason, I admire 2001: A Space Odyssey or Contact.

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[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
Solaris...2001: A Space Odyssey...Contact.
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All three of those flicks put me to sleep. Just because a film is beautifully shot and intellectual as all get out doesn't mean it can't bore you to tears. Most folks don't want to be put through an endurance test. They just want to be entertained. I'll take some mindless fluff like "Flash Gordon" over "Contact" any day. At least "Flash Gordon" was entertaining. And Kubrick is best when dealing with the worst of humanity (A Clockwork Orange) because...guess what! Those droogs were entertaining. Hal? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..........

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[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>I'm watching CNN's live coverage of Karr's arrival in LA. Every now and then a story grips me and I can't get away from the TV. Which makes my new laptop here very handy [^]

X, with so many film to choose from and your vast knowledge of the artform, I wonder why you say Solaris is aesthetically close to the perfect film. And am I right in assuming you're talking about the Tarkovsky version? Again, I really need to see it to speak definitively about the Soderbergh version but nevertheless, I find it gripping and seductive with a sense of visually rhthmic poetry. The abstract and dark(ish) exploration of human emotion is as spellbinding as Clooney's (imho) best performance. Good art challenges us; science fiction by virtue of it's fantastic nature is a natural vehicle to present such challenging concepts and good science fiction takes advantage of that. For the same reason, I admire 2001: A Space Odyssey or Contact.

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<p align="justify">Yes, I meant the Russian version. I wouldn't refer to it as the "original" version, as it is an adaptation from a novel, but the 2002 version is often thought of as a "remake". I don't know why, but I get the feeling Soderbergh used some of Tarkovsky's ideas to prop up his own movie. For example, the scene where Khari drinks the liquid oxygen was processed backwards by Tarkovsky to show the unnatural quality of such behaviour (she starts convulsing). I believe Soderbergh has the same scene with the same technique. I haven't double-checked, but someone else noticed this as well, so it could back what I've seen:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069293/board/nest/26509822

I know it to be the height of movie-making because at every step of the way, the director, editors, actors, camera crew, music composer, sound techs - everyone - meticulously took each scene and crafted them as if they were their own separate parts. You can get a story from each scene. One major complaint the movie gets from viewers is its slowness and lack of jump cuts/edits. Some scenes are done in one take with no cuts! The most famous one would be the car driving scene, which was only a couple of minutes, but some people got the sensation it took longer(!).</p>

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<p align="justify">The thing is, some viewers cannot see film/moving images as a verifiable form of communicating, whereas I see it as a flat-out alternative to talking or writing out an idea. This is how I can see [i]Solaris[/i] as the perfect movie. The director has a vision in his mind; he and his crew set out to materialise it; after cutting, editing, re-filming, etc - with a budget in mind, I add - the end result was something which surpassed what my mind had been capable of conceiving at the time I first saw the movie. It literally opened my eyes to a new way of seeing the world (I assume most everyone has at one time or another read a book, saw a painting, heard a composition, which revolutionised their own mode of thinking up to that point). Sure, I have a very impressionable mind, but, at the same time, I can still pin-point the transition when I was blind to something obvious and when my eyes were opened to the truth - one of those instances was after watching this movie on my own and the second was after watching it with my mother (whom I could see how her perspective changed, if only a little).

If anything, I never tire of seeing such scenes for their sheer beauty and nothing else:

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[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by living in shadow[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
I feel the same way -- give me a million dollar race car and I'll be a race car driver too. Do they consider it professional when they crash their car?[/quote]

I missed this earlier, but wanted to comment on it.

I could give you a million dollar race car, and you would be a race car driver for all of 10 seconds until you put in the wall. Athletes are measured by more than just fast running or leaping ability. Split second timing and decision making while travelling at 200 mph., and enduring multiple G's for a couple of hours is athletic by any definition.

Is your definition of professional infallibility?

Before making light of it, you should attempt it.[/quote]I highly doubt you have a million dollars to spend on a race car, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt -- you supply the car and I'll drive it 200 mph.

As for the car crashing, If I had to compare it to what I do, it would be like throwing away my entire lot of photo gear on a job, and if I was lucky enough to walk away alive, expecting someone else to foot the entire bill.

I never said they don't have endurance or nerves of steel, but I've driven my 68 Toronado at 130 MPH on an open freeway and it was quite a rush -- I believe I could drive a car 200 MPH on a track with no problem.

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http://www.cooganphoto.com
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<p align="justify">If those guys are considered "athletes", then the majority of them are highly underrated and underappreciated at the hotel and restaurant/club entrances of major metropolitan areas... they're definitely better than the pr0s since they don't need to make three lefts to make a right[8D] Race car driving athletes are the Zoolanders of sports[:D] NASCAR is about as interesting as watching paint dry[xx(] Gimme monster trucks crushing puny cars any day![}:)]

[living in shadow]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by living in shadow[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
I feel the same way -- give me a million dollar race car and I'll be a race car driver too. Do they consider it professional when they crash their car?[/quote]

I missed this earlier, but wanted to comment on it.

I could give you a million dollar race car, and you would be a race car driver for all of 10 seconds until you put in the wall. Athletes are measured by more than just fast running or leaping ability. Split second timing and decision making while travelling at 200 mph., and enduring multiple G's for a couple of hours is athletic by any definition.

Is your definition of professional infallibility?

Before making light of it, you should attempt it.[/quote]I highly doubt you have a million dollars to spend on a race car, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt -- you supply the car and I'll drive it 200 mph.

As for the car crashing, If I had to compare it to what I do, it would be like throwing away my entire lot of photo gear on a job, and if I was lucky enough to walk away alive, expecting someone else to foot the entire bill.

I never said they don't have endurance or nerves of steel, but I've driven my 68 Toronado at 130 MPH on an open freeway and it was quite a rush -- I believe I could drive a car 200 MPH on a track with no problem.

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"Photography with a Vision"
http://www.cooganphoto.com
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Driving a land yacht that probably took an hour to get to 130 mph. in a straight line on a public road qualifies you as nothing more than a fool. Nice comparison.

I hope you never take a bad photograph, someone with your mentality may consider you unprofessional.

[manekineko]

BMG, I'm so sorry about your parents and how their coldness affected your self-confidence. Thanks for sharing--that took courage. I hope you'll go out and meet people in your new location. You've mentioned you love to read. I'm sure there has to be a book club in Las Vegas that you could join? And if not, you could start one.

91 lipsticks??? Just how many lips do you have??? (Don't answer that one... [;)][:D])

I always look forward to your posts. You have a great perspective.



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I just received a belated birthday present from my sister. She sent me a Thigh Master! LOL! I'll be Suzanne Sommers in no time! [:D] When I turned 40 she gave me a bottle of Geritol (and she's two years older than I am!). Damn, I want to retaliate by giving her something equally sarcastic, but her birthday isn't for another 11 months. A walker would make a thoughtful gift [:o)]. Or Depends! Or Super Poli-Grip!

Before long I'll be able to crush watermelons between my thighs!

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[quote][i]Originally posted by phillyidol[/i]
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I get depressed for about 2 weeks after seeing old friends.
I really think I missed out on alot when I was younger.

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I feel the same way. They are all scattered about the country, and as much as I love to see them, I hate the first week back home.

I generally make a terrible first impression. I'm very quiet, and terrible at the art of small talk. I envy those that are able to talk to anybody.

When I'm driving, I literally see myself as a dot moving along a road map and instinctively know where I am in relation to other places. Once I've been been somewhere, I never forget how to get there. I don't feel like I've truly visited a new city until I am able to drive around aimlessly for hours, seeing how it is laid out, in which direction it grew, etc.

I fell asleep at a Sebadoh show.

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[quote][i]Originally posted by design_femme[/i]
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Oh the lesbo flirtattion story wasn't me, you perv. That was manekineko, I think.
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Perhaps Philly is thinking about the time you and I were going to wrestle about who got rights to Scarecrow! [;)]

[Panorama]

[quote][i]Originally posted by living in shadow[/i]
Driving a land yacht that probably took an hour to get to 130 mph. in a straight line on a public road qualifies you as nothing more than a fool. Nice comparison.[/quote]Um, no, not an hour. The car has a 455 4bbl engine...it's quite fast.

[quote][i]Originally posted by living in shadow[/i]
I hope you never take a bad photograph, someone with your mentality may consider you unprofessional.[/quote]As for my work, there is a link to my site right there in my signature... you can decide for yourself if you think I've ever delivered a bad photo to a client (but I'll give you a hint, the answer is...no)

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[living in shadow]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by living in shadow[/i]
Driving a land yacht that probably took an hour to get to 130 mph. in a straight line on a public road qualifies you as nothing more than a fool. Nice comparison.[/quote]Um, no, not an hour. The car has a 455 4bbl engine...it's quite fast. [/quote]

And about as nimble as a drunken elephant on roller skates -- like I said, land yacht. Anyone can drive in a straight line, that's hardly an accomplishment.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by living in shadow[/i]
I hope you never take a bad photograph, someone with your mentality may consider you unprofessional.[/quote]As for my work, there is a link to my site right there in my signature... you can decide for yourself if you think I've ever delivered a bad photo to a client (but I'll give you a hint, the answer is...no)[/quote]


I already took the opportunity to view your work. I'll refrain from commenting.

[phillyidol]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I like this guy![:D]

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[quote][i]Originally posted by phillyidol[/i]
<br>I don't know about the rest of you, but I like this guy![:D]
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