One member leaves, band starts to suck

[abacab66]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Mechi[/i]
<br>Mmmmm... I like the first Genesis albums after Peter Gabriel left but then the quality started to decrease.

Mercedes
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Genesis without Gabriel made it a different band, plus the music was changing anyway. Interesting that you like the 1st album (A Trick of the Tail) after Gabriel since most of that material was written before he officially left the band. Gabriel didn't have any input on that album though. I really like Abacab ('81) Genesis "Mama" ('83) and We Can't Dance ('91) in the "Collins" era. After Phil left it was really over for Genesis.

[obs]

[i]Same story with Duran Duran after Andy Taylor and Roger Taylor left.[/i]

I thought Notorious was pretty good. Of course it doesn't compare to the first two albums but even if they all stayed together, nothing coming after would have compared to the first two. I don't think Notorious is outclassed by Seven and the Ragged Tiger. Seven had some really nonsense lyrics.

If you can included Arcadia, I thought that was pretty good too.

[General Boy]

[quote][i]Originally posted by MonkeyTrousers[/i]
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2)XTC after Terry Chambers left (okay XTC never sucked but the level of consistent, exciting, groundbreaking-ness sharply decreased, and they sounded like old men overnight)[/quote]

I personally think XTC haven't made one bad record, but it's true that they did mellow a bit after Terry's departure. I don't attribute that to Terry leaving as much as I do to Andy's nervous breakdown. Although, in a way, you can already hear them going that direction on "English Settlement."

I actually really love their dark horse records like "Mummer" and "The Big Express." After hearing those albums be lambasted by just about everyone for years, I was rather pleasantly surprised when I finally picked them up.

Anyhow, I agree with those who have mentioned Wall Of Voodoo. I've tried listening to some of the post-Ridgway stuff and find it rather uninteresting.

[KYYX4ever]

[quote][i]Originally posted by obs[/i]
<br>[i]Same story with Duran Duran after Andy Taylor and Roger Taylor left.[/i]

I thought Notorious was pretty good. Of course it doesn't compare to the first two albums but even if they all stayed together, nothing coming after would have compared to the first two. I don't think Notorious is outclassed by Seven and the Ragged Tiger. Seven had some really nonsense lyrics.

If you can included Arcadia, I thought that was pretty good too.
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I remember this thread from last year !
Sometimes I wonder that when I say Duran "lost it" after all the Taylors left (beginning with Roger and Andy), if it is just because I wasn't into DD anymore. I thought they lost it just because their sound had changed, you know ? And we have raged long and hard on this board about the Pros and Cons of a band changing their sound over time. I don't necessarily think a band starts to suck just because their newer output changes. Of course not! On the other hand, if you fell in love with a band & their sound based on their earlier material, then of course nothing that comes out afterwards can even come close. Some people say that about the Rolling Stones ! And of course you have those fans of the EARLY Beatles and fans of the LATER Beatles.
I guess what I'm getting at here is that I can't really state with objectivity that Duran started to "suck" or "lose it" after the Taylors left. For me, I wasn't into them anymore. But I also didn't like the direction their sound was going in. It wasn't the same anymore.

[Frank_Chickens]

[quote][i]Originally posted by fortyfives[/i]
<br>Haircut 100 after Nick Heyward Left.

Wall of Voodoo after Stan Ridgway left.

Kajagoogoo after Limahl left.

The Clash after Mick Jones left.



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The second Kajagoogoo LP wasn't that bad and "Turn Your Back On Me" should of done better than the top 50. The third release is duff and I for one was surprised "Shouldn't Do That" actually charted at 63.

"Infatuation", "Fishbowl" and "Two Up and Two Down" are great tracks and proved that the songs are still are strong. The reason why they failed is that their teenybopper fans were only interested in Nick. Still, they could of picked a better replacement singer than Mark Fox, not one of the strongest voices around.


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[monolith94]

Roxy Music without Eno. They managed to be good for a little while after he left, but ultimately Ferry's worst artistic instincts took over.

[goutroy]

For me, the most obvious one would be the Human League. Their first two albums were great. Then Martyn Ware and Ian Marsh, the two founding members, left, and Philip Oakey and gave the visualist and newly hired backup singers more control. Dare was a good pop album but vastly different from their colder previous stuff, and most stuff after that album really went downhill with only a few exceptions.

edit: well, technically, I guess that's two members