Muslim Terror in India

[MARV]

The war on terror has a long way to go.....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

[SallyLightfoot]

I found this quote useful for perspective on muslim terrorists:

"We do not face a global jihadist 'movement' but a series of disparate ethnic and religious conflicts involving Muslim populations, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature and almost all of which long predate the existence of al-Qaeda."

[b]Overstating Our Fears[/b]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02710.html
By Glenn L. Carle, [i]member of the CIA's Clandestine Service for 23 years and retired in March 2007 as deputy national intelligence officer for transnational threats[/i]

[WLIRRIP]

It goes way beyond regional conflicts and ancient rivalries. You only wish it were that non-threatening.

* When British police are afraid to use unclothed dogs in their ops because Muslims see the animals as unclean,

* when a British court says that Muslim communities may utilize Sharia law when deciding matters of divorce and such,

* when a Danish cartoonist is in fear for his life because he had the audacity to portray Muhamed in a negative way (and is even facing some problems from his own gov't as a result),

* when France has riots by huge numbers of Islamic immigrants (yes, other people riot too, but that doesn't negate the overall trend being described here),

* when it takes a "torturous" interrogation method like waterboarding to break Khalid Sheik Muhamed to reveal -- and thwart -- a plot to destroy TEN passenger flights leaving Heathrow Airport in 2006,

* when nearly 200 people are killed in a Spanish train bombing,

* when nearly 200 are killed in a Balinese night club,

* when over 200 are killed in African embassy blasts,

* when Muslims are taking advantage of the weakened states of some African nations to establish their Taliban-like control over those people,

* when China is having problems with Muslim rebels,

* when Russia lost 300 people -- including 150 children -- in a Muslim hostage-taking incident,

* when we in our own great United States witness in 1993 an attempt to destroy the WTC, and then in 2001 witness the total fruition of that goal,

* when 50+ people are killed in London subway blasts,

* when the Philippines have to enlist American help to fend off the imperial advances of Abu Sayef,

* when American schools are allowed by our courts to have Muslim role-playing that includes adopting a Muslim name, learning the Koran and learning AND RECITING Muslim prayers while a Catholic priest cannot even serve kids pizza during a lunch hour,

* when a San Diego public school allows 100 Muslim kids 15 mins of prayer in the middle of the school day on school grounds,

* when Imam after Imam, jihadist after jihadist says that the infidel -- including ALL non-Muslims as well as moderate Muslims, and this also includes Christians, Jews, atheists, Buddhists (remember the huge Buddhist statue that the Taliban destroyed in Afghanistan earlier this decade?), Wiccans, Hindus, etc. DESERVE to die, wherever they are...

...any reasonable person can see that this isn't some little, overblown threat and that it is totally globalized. They see the west as morally weak, as a great big paper tiger. And so far, they're partly right. You can go on believing that this is just fear-mongering by the satanic Bush administration, but this has been happening since the days of the hyper-liberal Jimmy Carter. You can say it's politicized and exaggerated just to keep us in fear, or you can look at the history of the past 30 years and realize that it's anything but. I however will be very mindful of the increasing pressure they're exerting on supposedly secular democracies to allow them special room and privileges, which is starting to resemble a soft takeover.

If you do anything, do not make this mistake: just because they're decentralized does not mean they're not a threat. They may not have one central command, but they do have a central ideology -- the violent and aggressive interpretation of the Koran. And their decentralized nature actually makes them that much more difficult to defeat. There may be different sects, but the imperial strain is in all of them. I have little doubt that if they, hypothetically speaking, ever did get control of the world, they would surely fight amongst themselves, as we see in Palestine, Iraq, etc. But that does not negate the fact that right now, they have a common scapegoat -- you and I.


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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12

[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by WLIRRIP[/i]
<br>But that does not negate the fact that right now, they have a common scapegoat -- you and I. [/quote]
You and me actually. Well, not me per se, but you know.

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by WLIRRIP[/i]
<br>But that does not negate the fact that right now, they have a common scapegoat -- you and I. [/quote]
You and me actually. Well, not me per se, but you know.
[/quote]

<p align="justify">"You and me, actually."[}:)]

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>I found this quote useful for perspective on muslim terrorists:

"We do not face a global jihadist 'movement' but a series of disparate ethnic and religious conflicts involving Muslim populations, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature and almost all of which long predate the existence of al-Qaeda."

[b]Overstating Our Fears[/b]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02710.html
By Glenn L. Carle, [i]member of the CIA's Clandestine Service for 23 years and retired in March 2007 as deputy national intelligence officer for transnational threats[/i]
[/quote]

<p align="justify">Okay, so fundamentally regional conflicts are happening around the world... and the common thread is radical jizzlam[}:)]

[WLIRRIP]

Yes Blir, I know [:)]

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12

[NuWaveRx]

I guess the question is if there is an overarcing schema to all the examples RIP listed or they are independant acts of terror.

I'm not sure I know the answer to that, but I do know these are just more examples of how organized religious extremism has been one of the most destructive forces in Mankind's history

[SallyLightfoot]

The article and quote I posted did not say that terrorism is not a threat. The underlying message is that our response to terrorism should be appropriate to the nature and scope of the threat. This applies to terrorists of all stripes, from radical fundamentalists in the Middle East to Russia to India ans Sri Lanka to the Philippines to Colombia to Basque separatists to N Ireland and Oklahoma City, to name a few.

WLIRRIP, we're all entitled to our opinions. I prefer not to grant terrorists the victory of fear that they desire. Despite the numbers of people who have died tragically over the years from terrorist acts, you're still about as likely to die from a stampede of elephants (and one baby zebra) in a hailstorm on the 4th of July.

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>The article and quote I posted did not say that terrorism is not a threat. The underlying message is that our response to terrorism should be appropriate to the nature and scope of the threat. This applies to terrorists of all stripes, from radical fundamentalists in the Middle East to Russia to India ans Sri Lanka to the Philippines to Colombia to Basque separatists to N Ireland and Oklahoma City, to name a few.

WLIRRIP, we're all entitled to our opinions. I prefer not to grant terrorists the victory of fear that they desire. Despite the numbers of people who have died tragically over the years from terrorist acts, you're still about as likely to die from a stampede of elephants (and one baby zebra) in a hailstorm on the 4th of July.
[/quote]

<p align="justify">But those separatists are truly regional. Nobody else, except for those regions, have to worry about Basque separatists or Tamil Tigers. In turn, wherever there are US embassies, we have to worry about radical jizzlam.

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]<br><p align="justify">In turn, wherever there are US embassies, we have to worry about radical jizzlam.
[/quote]Good point-- it's a good thing that we don't have to worry about terrorist threats from Iran, North Korea or Cuba.

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]<br><p align="justify">In turn, wherever there are US embassies, we have to worry about radical jizzlam.
[/quote]Good point-- it's a good thing that we don't have to worry about terrorist threats from Iran, North Korea or Cuba.
[/quote]

<p align="justify">Iranian acts of terrorism against the US = 0 (except for the hostage situation 28 years ago)
North Korean acts of terrorism against the US = 0 (except for the Korean War back in the 50s)
Cuban acts of terrorism against the US = 0 (except for the Cuban missile crisis back in the 60s)
islamofascist acts of terrorism against the US = hahah[}:)]

[KYYX4ever]

That is a very good article, SallyLightfoot. It is a small reminder to keep things in perspective.

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<p align="justify">Iranian acts of terrorism against the US = 0 (except for the hostage situation 28 years ago)
North Korean acts of terrorism against the US = 0 (except for the Korean War back in the 50s)
Cuban acts of terrorism against the US = 0 (except for the Cuban missile crisis back in the 60s)
[/quote]You should notify the state department that the remaining axis (sic) of evil has been cleared of threats. Seriously though, counter terrorism strategy is not necessarily about terrorist acts, it's about potential terrorist acts. One percent doctrine and all that.

[WLIRRIP]

[quote]WLIRRIP, we're all entitled to our opinions.[/quote]
Indeed. You expressed yours and I expressed mine.

[quote]I prefer not to grant terrorists the victory of fear that they desire.[/quote]
And that's certainly an admirable and even sensible policy to adopt. I plan on flying out to NYC on the 10th or 11th of September this year. I miss the city, want to be here for any ceremonies taking place, and I refuse to let a bunch of fanatical thugs dictate anything else.

[quote]Despite the numbers of people who have died tragically over the years from terrorist acts, you're still about as likely to die from a stampede of elephants (and one baby zebra) in a hailstorm on the 4th of July.[/quote]
Hmm... I don't know about THAT (reminds me of an insurance policy a certain duck convinced a certain pig to buy once), but sure, at their present and known capabilities the spirit of your comment is correct. But it is our remaining vigilant that has kept attacks in our country at bay since 9/11 (the CIA and FBI, while there's still room for criticism, are credited with really bearing down and jumping on every lead to keep these guys from being successful again). We must not put down our guard. Not saying we should be peeking around every corner in fear -- I agree with you on that -- but having a blind eye to all this and belittling the danger is just as much a mistake, especially when you consider that there are very likely so-called sleeper cells in the country now and we still have a border that many seem to feel is politically incorrect to seal. There is still an ideological war going on with a very decentralized enemy. It's sort of like trying to kill all the cockroaches in NY.

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Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance.
Psalm 33:12