The First New Waver Ever

[Bitter Almonds]

Oops[:I] Whenever I think of 80s careers, I don't immediately think "Roxy Music" since they disbanded early in the decade, but, come on, [i]Avalon[/i] corporate make-out musak? I think the corporate suits wanted bands to sound like that[:D]

[Mechi]

Has anyone thought of considering Fleetwood Mac as pre- new wave??? They mixed elements as nobody did and were pretty different from the bands that were popular at the same time.
Or maybe I'm just talking nonsense cause I'm really sleepy.

Mercedes

[hutter]

Get some sleep, sis. You're talking nonsense, but that's okay. We still love you.

[hexicon]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>Whenever I think of 80s careers, I don't immediately think "Roxy Music" since they disbanded early in the decade, but, come on, [i]Avalon[/i] corporate make-out musak? I think the corporate suits wanted bands to sound like that[:D]
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Corporate or otherwise, it sure was good makeout music! Back in the days when just making out was really something . .. .

[UniversalRadio]

Brian Eno called David Bowie when he first heard "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer claiming that was the official start of new wave. Just a thought. I personally think it started (partially by said artists) before that. Kraftwerk being very notable. New wave as we know it may have started in Germany I think.

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[ghosty]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>Oops[:I] Whenever I think of 80s careers, I don't immediately think "Roxy Music" since they disbanded early in the decade, but, come on, [i]Avalon[/i] corporate make-out musak? I think the corporate suits wanted bands to sound like that[:D]
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Oh there's nothing wrong with make-out music, corporate or otherwise. "Avalon" has helped me out in a few sticky situations. I just think it's step down from "Siren" and "For Your Pleasure" (my faves).
It's Bowie that I have the bigger problem with (and I own EVERYTHING Bowie ever put out which makes me something of a masochist). Since "Let's Dance", which I would argue is only a half-decent record, he's only come up with two solid albums "Hours" and "Heathen". There's decent stuff on the others, in fact I think "I Can't Read" from Tin Machine is Bowie's best song of the 80's.

The most recent overtly NW sounding track from Bowie is "Dead Against It" from The Buddha Of Suburbia sdtk in 1994. Sweet![8D]

[hubcity]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ghosty[/i]
"Avalon" has helped me out in a few sticky situations.[/quote]

Must...resist...urge...to...pun... [:p]


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[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ghosty[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>Oops[:I] Whenever I think of 80s careers, I don't immediately think "Roxy Music" since they disbanded early in the decade, but, come on, [i]Avalon[/i] corporate make-out musak? I think the corporate suits wanted bands to sound like that[:D]
[/quote]

Oh there's nothing wrong with make-out music, corporate or otherwise. "Avalon" has helped me out in a few sticky situations. I just think it's step down from "Siren" and "For Your Pleasure" (my faves).
It's Bowie that I have the bigger problem with (and I own EVERYTHING Bowie ever put out which makes me something of a masochist). Since "Let's Dance", which I would argue is only a half-decent record, he's only come up with two solid albums "Hours" and "Heathen". There's decent stuff on the others, in fact I think "I Can't Read" from Tin Machine is Bowie's best song of the 80's.

The most recent overtly NW sounding track from Bowie is "Dead Against It" from The Buddha Of Suburbia sdtk in 1994. Sweet![8D]


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I was just shocked at first to read that 'cause the bulk of the songs and albums you list are pretty much the same ones I like. But you're dead-on-target about Bowie and, to a point, Roxy Music[:D]

[toe_jam_on_toast]

obvious joke...but MikeP is.


but as far as this goes...as someone already mentioned, what about velvet underground?

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I'm a Flibbertigibbet

[ghosty]

[quote][i]Originally posted by toe_jam_on_toast[/i]
<br>obvious joke...but MikeP is.


but as far as this goes...as someone already mentioned, what about velvet underground?

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I'm a Flibbertigibbet
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...and what about The Monks? They out-Velvet even the Velvet Underground!

[hutter]

I nominate Nick Gilder as the first new waver.

Yep, I'm chasing the snake. Where's my crack-pipe?

[WolverineSyr]

I keep mulling over this topic. I get caught up in the foundational artists rather than who was a genuine first waver. It's hard to determine - Blondie, the Talking Heads, Ultravox, Gary Numan all started out with either a punk or harder edge to them.

For me, the first truly full-fledged new wave artist, who (I don't think) dabbled in other forms of music previous to new wave might be M. Although, Split Enz, as Blir mentioned, probably are the first in my mind. I don't know anything about Oingo Boingo, but weren't they around for a long time too?

I also think of people like Eno, Mike Oldfield, Giorgio Moroder, and even, dare I say, yoko ono. I'd rather listen to a lawnmower than her music, but it certainly would fit in along side of Lene Lovich, Nina Hagen & Toyah.

[Bitter Almonds]

Sparks were around as far back as '72. They never changed format in their 30+ year history.

[geoffolehane]

I'm with XXX. I'd give it Velvet Underground and perhaps going even further back to the Easybeats (considering Vanda & Young sprung from that band to later form Flash & the Pan).

I'd also agree with Sparks. I'd throw in 10CC for kicks too.

And so many of you like to talk about Kraftwerk. What about them? They first hit the music scene in the early 70's.

Mike Oldfield was actually discovered by another act I'd consider to be a New Wave pioneer - Kevin Ayers, ex of the Soft Machine.

Bowie actually got his start around 1966 so he's definitely an important pioneer.

[hutter]

No offense to new wave music, but Kraftwerk is so much more than new wave. They influenced damn near every music genre. From several reports, they resent the idea of being considered new wave. I'm changing my vote from Bowie to Sparks. I'm ashamed of myself for not thinking of that myself.