Your Opinion About GOD

[edisonoside]

If the universe/life is a circle/cycle, Where should one place where it starts and ends?? How big is the circle?? Are we point A? We measure everything beginning with ourselves. Does everything revolves around us. Was there only one big bang?? Will there only be one ending? How big is our circle? How does "pi" come into play?? Is it 2007 on the moon? Have we out-grown our own senses? Have our senses taken us back to square one? I AM SO CONFUSED!! What the hell am I talkin about[?][:I]

[MARV]

[quote][i]Originally posted by edisonoside[/i]
<br>If the universe/life is a circle/cycle, Where should one place where it starts and ends?? How big is the circle?? Are we point A? We measure everything beginning with ourselves. Does everything revolves around us. Was there only one big bang?? Will there only be one ending? How big is our circle? How does "pi" come into play?? Is it 2007 on the moon? Have we out-grown our own senses? Have our senses taken us back to square one? I AM SO CONFUSED!! What the hell am I talkin about[?][:I][/quote]

LOL!

- We don't yet know where in the universe the Big Bang happened. Where the universe "began".
- We don't yet know where the universe "ends" since we just can't see that far yet and since it's still expanding.
- If by "us" you mean planet Earth, then the only thing that revolves around us is the moon and whatever satellites we put in orbit.
- There was probably more than one Big Bang.
- This universe will probably have only one ending.
- I don't know what you mean by "our circle".
- I don't know too much about pi. Any takers out there?
- It's 2007 on the moon. But only in standard Earth years.
- We've definitely outgrown our senses. The human brain has evolved at a far quicker pace than the rest of the body. And continues to do so.

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[edisonoside]

Nice answers Marv.[:)]

[MARV]

See? There's more to life than just politics [;)] Now let's start a good liberal/common sense [i]I mean[/i] liberal/conservative thread [;)][}:)][;)] See the winkies? I'm just busting chops [;)]

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[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>In general (and this is the gist of what I got from taking an undergrad class in quantum physics and calculus), the Big Bang is an arbitrary reference point in time. Someone correct me if I got the idea wrong, but the Big Bang does not explain how the energy was created - it only says there was energy and there was a big explosion which transformed the energy into the different elements we see today.[/quote]

This thread actually motivated me to watch my Stephen Hawking Universe DVD box set again last night. The Big Bang is universally accepted as THE point in time of creation. The Catholic Church even accepts it as the point of Creation as well. Let's not forget that some of the world's foremost scientists have been Catholic and even clergy. The Pope even gave Prof. Hawking a medal in 1975 for his role in formulating the Big Bang theory. With science and the Catholic church on the same page, it seems they are not eye to eye though. They actually told Hawking and the scientific community not to research anything before the Big Bang.

If I may deign to postulate.....

There is also the theory of the Big Crunch, to which Hawking also subscribes - even though it hasn't been proven yet (I could be wrong. These DVDs came out in 1997. Alot could have happened since then.) Anyway, the Big Crunch states that the universe will at some point in time slowly begin to halt it's expansion and eventually begin to contract due to gravitational forces. If you could see the Big Bang and the subsequent expansion of the univese on a film strip, imagine it going in reverse all the way to the beginning. This is the theory of the Big Crunch.

Like when a star dies, implodes and goes supernova - a gargantuan release of elemental matter and energy after maximum contraction - perhaps the Big Bang (the ultimate release of all energy and matter from a singular atom of ultimate density) was the result of the same such gravitational implosion...the Big Crunch.

It seems to me that the nature of the cosmos itself is the supreme example of the rhythms we see here on Earth. The coming and going of the tides, the cycle of the seasons, the path that nitrogen takes in feeding plants which feed livestock which feed people and when we die, feeds the plants again.

I say research events prior to the Big Bang when possible. In that, I think we'll discover that the Big Bang was the ultimate Resurrection story. [i]If you want to look at it that way[/i][|)]

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<p align="justify">I need to see this dvd set because in the Miessler and Tarr book of inorganic chemistry, it doesn't exactly say the Big Bang "created" the energy, it only says the explosion led to the changing of energy into the different atoms. This is something which I think is also in the quantum physics book, but I'll have to dig that one up from the vault[}:)] Besides, whenever I hear of the "creation" of some thing, I presume the person just means "the formation of [i]some thing[/i] from [i]some thing else[/i]" not the actual "formation of [i]some thing[/i] from [i]no thing[/i]" (i.e. bona fide "creation" that defies an essential law of thermodynamics).

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[ben_at_work]

[quote][i]Originally posted by edisonoside[/i]
<br>Ben you are a cool guy![8D]

I don't think that people should be forced to believe in anything that they don't want to. me, I'm torn in what to believe really. Most of the time I believe in God, more now than ever but, sometimes I have my doubts.
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I think that is normal Edison and I do truely believe that doubting God especially in our time is something we will be forgiven for as long as whats in our hearts is true. At least I hope anyways [;)]

[MARV]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>.....in the Miessler and Tarr book of inorganic chemistry, it doesn't exactly say the Big Bang "created" the energy, it only says the explosion led to the changing of energy into the different atoms. This is something which I think is also in the quantum physics book.....[/quote]

E=mc²?

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[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>.....in the Miessler and Tarr book of inorganic chemistry, it doesn't exactly say the Big Bang "created" the energy, it only says the explosion led to the changing of energy into the different atoms. This is something which I think is also in the quantum physics book.....[/quote]

E=mc²?

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<p align="justify">I fucked up when I stated "essential law of thermodynamics"... it's kind of a redundant statement. First law says that you can't create or destroy energy - energy can only change form[}:)] As far as I know (not very far, actually), the Big Bang Theory concurs with this law; the compressed ball of energy that is the expanding universe was already there... it was not created[;)]

[MARV]

Right. That's why I brought up the theory of the Big Crunch. For all we know, this cycle of Big Bang, Big Crunch could have been happening for eons. "Our" Big Bang, the one that created the universe we live in could have been the first.....or it could have been the billionth.

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[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>Right. That's why I brought up the theory of the Big Crunch. For all we know, this cycle of Big Bang, Big Crunch could have been happening for eons. "Our" Big Bang, the one that created the universe we live in could have been the first.....or it could have been the billionth.

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<p align="justify">This is why I prefer to call myself "an animist"[}:)]

[newwavepunkgirl]

Well if he does exist he is possibly reading this post so I'll not slag him off![:I][:0]

Devolution is real

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[quote][i]Originally posted by newwavepunkgirl[/i]
<br>Well if he does exist he is possibly reading this post so I'll not slag him off![:I][:0]

Devolution is real
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That's the smartest thing I've read in this thread!

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[Mechi]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>.....in the Miessler and Tarr book of inorganic chemistry, it doesn't exactly say the Big Bang "created" the energy, it only says the explosion led to the changing of energy into the different atoms. This is something which I think is also in the quantum physics book.....[/quote]

E=mc²?

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<p align="justify">I fucked up when I stated "essential law of thermodynamics"... it's kind of a redundant statement. First law says that you can't create or destroy energy - energy can only change form[}:)] As far as I know (not very far, actually), the Big Bang Theory concurs with this law; the compressed ball of energy that is the expanding universe was already there... it was not created[;)]
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Thermodynamics... the explanation to everything that happens in the universe. [;)]
Our chemistry professor told us the first day we started studying it, that we would find many many answers to our doubts about creation of the universe and existence. Many people in my university say their god is entropy.
Big Bang not only is OK in terms of the 1st law but also concurs with 2nd Law too.
Of Big Bang there are several proofs of its existence, of the subject of this thread... well, there aren't.



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[MARV]

The beautiful thing about science is that it can serve as a mechanism to deepen the mystery and appreciation of God, Mechi. That is, if you have the beauty of true faith (yes, a New Order reference [8D]) - and for that, you need no proof [;)]

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[quote][i]Originally posted by Mechi[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>.....in the Miessler and Tarr book of inorganic chemistry, it doesn't exactly say the Big Bang "created" the energy, it only says the explosion led to the changing of energy into the different atoms. This is something which I think is also in the quantum physics book.....[/quote]

E=mc²?

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<p align="justify">I fucked up when I stated "essential law of thermodynamics"... it's kind of a redundant statement. First law says that you can't create or destroy energy - energy can only change form[}:)] As far as I know (not very far, actually), the Big Bang Theory concurs with this law; the compressed ball of energy that is the expanding universe was already there... it was not created[;)]
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Thermodynamics... the explanation to everything that happens in the universe. [;)]
Our chemistry professor told us the first day we started studying it, that we would find many many answers to our doubts about creation of the universe and existence. Many people in my university say their god is entropy.
Big Bang not only is OK in terms of the 1st law but also concurs with 2nd Law too.
Of Big Bang there are several proofs of its existence, of the subject of this thread... well, there aren't.



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<p align="justify">I cannot say I understood the class in thermodynamics I took. In fact, I left it for dead last because I had to drop it once; the class was fuckin' insane with the partial integrals and math proofs - they pretty much designed a whole upper division undergrad class for PV = nRT. Anyway, the little which I managed to get out of my education only strengthened my convictions that there is not a "creation" per se. Ergo, there is no "creator" (i.e. every thing you see has been here all along). It furthered my convictions that God does not exist, except only as a personal concept. Now, if everyone who believes and has faith in God had a unifying idea about it, THEN they might have a point - and I might have to reconsider the possibility of its existence. There isn't, so I don't. There is a unifying idea behind the laws of thermodynamics. Therefore, I can place faith in it. Until the day someone out there creates engines with 150% and 100% efficiency, I'll remain faithful to that. In my inorganic chemistry classes I've seen some crazy shit which would make people think there is some kind of powerful intelligence beyond that of man to make things of such order. To me, it makes me appreciate nature more and it should humble anyone back to size so that one won't think humans are the pinnacle of the transformation of energy - which is what a lot of religions do.

This is why I'm an animist[}:)]