Most Divisive Issue?

[shovelbum]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ben_at_work[/i]
<br>I just read that in california and texas, whites are now officially the minority to hispanics. Texas for sure maybe it was just Los Angeles and not all of California. I see where Motors is going with all this. As a Californian I have to say I'm fed up with all the Illegals draining our system and putting a strain on our economy. And I'll agree with Motors about not spouting off statistics. One of the few things i do agree with Ann Coulter is we need to arrest every illegal put them on a bus or a boat and ship em back to wherever it is they snuck over here from. Nice topic Marv, now I'm all fired up[;)]
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Ben, I agree about the problem with the illegals, but no matter how correct she is, I'll never agree with Ann Coulter. She's an f****ing d**k envious media whore.

However, I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants of any ethnicity. Afterall, I'm sure the indians used to say that about us. Then the Brits said it about the irish, then the irish about the italians, then the italians about the Poles, etc . . . And so the world goes round! As long as you're patriotic, politically responsible, paying your taxes, and being an asset to your community, I don't care what color your skin is or how much corn you consume.

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.

[Frau_Blucher]

Okay, I admit I don't know what America's most divisive issue is. I'm beginning to think however that NWO's most divisive issue has always been whether or not noobs who dive right into the deep end of an unfamiliar social scene - for example to immediately spew to strangers the whos, whats, hows and whys of their being - are either very self-actualized human beings [i]OR[/i] in fact just twats.

We've seen the extreme twat variety, and those are of course easy to spot and not all that divisive. Stella, Georgie, Fanciz, etc...all clearly twats, no fuss, no muss. Others are a bit more grey, like antropological sociopolitcal pschycologizin' pseudointellectuals. Maybe grey's not the word...perhaps just puzzling in their ironically nonexistent sense of self-perception.

[eight6]

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>Beatschool, slavery? Really? Still? Get the fuck over it.

Who makes the most $ in the U.S,? I don't have that issue of Forbes handy but ... I dunno ... Oprah? Tiger Woods?

Other person whose opinion I couldn't care less about - it's "Nietzsche". Next time, do your research. Enough time wasted on you. [^]

The thing is, I could spout statistics, examples .. PROOF .. all day long and it would make NO difference to you. Your heads are buried firmly ... I'll be kind here ... in the sand. Frankly, I don't have the time or energy any more to waste trying to enlighten the unenlightenable.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Schopenauer

Phase 2 will be probably be upon us by 2015 at the latest. Maybe I'll bump this thread then and we'll see how your delusions are holding up.

Peace out and shit.






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Actually it's Bill Gates and Warren Buffett- who are both firmly white, nimrod. Actually, it was I who spoke of slavery. And yes, it is still an issue that will take a few couple hundred years more to correct, foolish one. Actually, if you couldn't care less than why do you keep replying, Cleopatra, Queen of Denile? Actually, I HAVE done my research and have spent thousands of dollars to do so and have documented, published proof. Actually, I told YOU to do your research, and spinning the suggestion around on me only proves you are lazy brained and full of hot air, Bonehead. Actually, "phase II" as you put it (you phrased that in such a way as to sound like you're afraid that other ethnicities will overcome the white superhumans someday- so sad, since we're all African at the root of it, Darwinophobe) will probably take a thousand years to cycle into place, so I wouldn't worry about it too much because you'll be bone dust by then, and your offspring will have already inbred with other ethnicities to the point where it will actually be a benefit to your descendents, Braniac.

So keep your shitty peace.



My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.
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Nimrod? Bonehead? Brainiac? Darwinophobe? Cleopatra, Queen of Denile? Well OK, I'll give you that one, he's been marked by the horus.

Motors, I'm typing my secretive e-mail of support immediately after posting this.

[i]"The only thing I hate (besides brussels sprouts) is haters".[/i] I guess we're going to get along famously.



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[shovelbum]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>Beatschool, slavery? Really? Still? Get the fuck over it.

Who makes the most $ in the U.S,? I don't have that issue of Forbes handy but ... I dunno ... Oprah? Tiger Woods?

Other person whose opinion I couldn't care less about - it's "Nietzsche". Next time, do your research. Enough time wasted on you. [^]

The thing is, I could spout statistics, examples .. PROOF .. all day long and it would make NO difference to you. Your heads are buried firmly ... I'll be kind here ... in the sand. Frankly, I don't have the time or energy any more to waste trying to enlighten the unenlightenable.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Schopenauer

Phase 2 will be probably be upon us by 2015 at the latest. Maybe I'll bump this thread then and we'll see how your delusions are holding up.

Peace out and shit.






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Actually it's Bill Gates and Warren Buffett- who are both firmly white, nimrod. Actually, it was I who spoke of slavery. And yes, it is still an issue that will take a few couple hundred years more to correct, foolish one. Actually, if you couldn't care less than why do you keep replying, Cleopatra, Queen of Denile? Actually, I HAVE done my research and have spent thousands of dollars to do so and have documented, published proof. Actually, I told YOU to do your research, and spinning the suggestion around on me only proves you are lazy brained and full of hot air, Bonehead. Actually, "phase II" as you put it (you phrased that in such a way as to sound like you're afraid that other ethnicities will overcome the white superhumans someday- so sad, since we're all African at the root of it, Darwinophobe) will probably take a thousand years to cycle into place, so I wouldn't worry about it too much because you'll be bone dust by then, and your offspring will have already inbred with other ethnicities to the point where it will actually be a benefit to your descendents, Braniac.

So keep your shitty peace.



My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.
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Nimrod? Bonehead? Brainiac? Darwinophobe? Cleopatra, Queen of Denile? Well OK, I'll give you that one, he's been marked by the horus.

Motors, I'm typing my secretive e-mail of support immediately after posting this.

[i]"The only thing I hate (besides brussels sprouts) is haters".[/i] I guess we're going to get along famously.



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You forgot "Darwinophobe"

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.

[shovelbum]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
<br>Okay, I admit I don't know what America's most divisive issue is. I'm beginning to think however that NWO's most divisive issue has always been whether or not noobs who dive right into the deep end of an unfamiliar social scene - for example to immediately spew to strangers the whos, whats, hows and whys of their being - are either very self-actualized human beings [i]OR[/i] in fact just twats.

We've seen the extreme twat variety, and those are of course easy to spot and not all that divisive. Stella, Georgie, Fanciz, etc...all clearly twats, no fuss, no muss. Others are a bit more grey, like antropological sociopolitcal pschycologizin' pseudointellectuals. Maybe grey's not the word...perhaps just puzzling in their ironically nonexistent sense of self-perception.
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Oh, trust me, I'm clearly aware of my "self-perception" (I think I'm an opinionated, assertive bitch). I'm also aware of how others perceive me (as an opinionated, assertive bitch) and it doesn't really bother me. If I'm being sociological, it's only because that was at the core of this subject. Besides, sociology and politics walk hand in hand. Psychoanalyzing- nope. Anthrologically oriented, of course- it's my job. Pseudointellectual, I guarantee there is no pseudo here except for the ephedrine.

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
Actually it's Bill Gates and Warren Buffett- who are both firmly white, nimrod.
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Actually, that was sarcasm, dipshit. I doubt anyone's very surprised that it was lost on you. I'm guessing Beatschool (the intended recipient) got it but then again, he's not an idiot.

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Actually, it was I who spoke of slavery. And yes, it is still an issue that will take a few couple hundred years more to correct, foolish one.
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Actually, Beatschool mentioned slavery also and he was the only one I deemed worth addressing. But since you're too stupid to recognize how ugly this is about to get for you and just go away, I'll answer you also now:

A couple hundred years more to correct? Holy fuck - that's just ludicrous. The whole slavery thing is nothing more than an excuse used by people either too ignorant, scared or brainwashed to place the blame where it belongs. It's just as ridiculous as a skinny Irishman blaming his inability to gain weight on the potato famine.

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Actually, if you couldn't care less than why do you keep replying, Cleopatra, Queen of Denile?
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Actually, I really couldn't care less. You're nothing more than cheap entertainment to me. I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard that from a superior.

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Actually, I HAVE done my research and have spent thousands of dollars to do so and have documented, published proof.
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Thousands of dollars, huh? And here I thought you'd spent that money on charm school.

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Actually, I told YOU to do your research, and spinning the suggestion around on me only proves you are lazy brained and full of hot air, Bonehead.
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Actually, you don't tell ME to do anything. I am fortunate to have standards and therefore would never find myself in a position where YOU would ever have anything to say to me. And don't ever confuse my complete lack of respect for you or your retarded opinions to be laziness. You're simply not worthy of debate ... Hell, you're barely worth insulting. I feel like I'm explaining to a pile of dog shit why I'm scraping it off the bottom of my shoe.

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Actually, "phase II" as you put it (you phrased that in such a way as to sound like you're afraid that other ethnicities will overcome the white superhumans someday-
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"Overcome"? As in by force? You must mean that because it's common knowledge (perhaps not to you)that whites WILL be a minority in this country by 2050 at the latest. Actually, if it ever comes down to a race war type of situation, I don't think for a second the whites will lose [}:)][:)]. Sorry to disappoint you.

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so sad, since we're all African at the root of it, Darwinophobe) will probably take a thousand years to cycle into place, so I wouldn't worry about it too much because you'll be bone dust by then, and your offspring will have already inbred with other ethnicities to the point where it will actually be a benefit to your descendents, Braniac.

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OK dumbass, see if you can follow along here. Breeding with other ethnicities would be called interbreeding (miscegenation), not inbreeding. I can understand the confusion in your case.

So far, you've shown you can't spell, can't write a coherent sentence, can't present a logical argument ... yet we're supposed to believe you're getting an "education"? I can only assume your oral skills are much better than your written skills. That's the only way any professor would ever give you a passing grade.



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[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
<br>Okay, I admit I don't know what America's most divisive issue is. I'm beginning to think however that NWO's most divisive issue has always been whether or not noobs who dive right into the deep end of an unfamiliar social scene - for example to immediately spew to strangers the whos, whats, hows and whys of their being - are either very self-actualized human beings [i]OR[/i] in fact just twats.

We've seen the extreme twat variety, and those are of course easy to spot and not all that divisive. Stella, Georgie, Fanciz, etc...all clearly twats, no fuss, no muss. Others are a bit more grey, like antropological sociopolitcal pschycologizin' pseudointellectuals. Maybe grey's not the word...perhaps just puzzling in their ironically nonexistent sense of self-perception.
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You're overthinking it. "Twat" is perfect.

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[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]


Motors, I'm typing my secretive e-mail of support immediately after posting this.

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Got it. So true, my friend. [:D][8D]

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[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]

You forgot "Darwinophobe"


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Actually, no .. he did not forget it. It's right there, plain as day. I guess we can add reading comprehension to your ever-growing list of publicly demonstrated deficiencies. I have to hand it to you though. Most complete twats (thanks, Blir) take a couple of hundred posts before removing all doubt about how clueless they are. You somehow managed to do it in less than 40. Congrats!

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[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
<br>Oh, trust me, I'm clearly aware of my "self-perception" (I think I'm an opinionated, assertive bitch). I'm also aware of how others perceive me (as an opinionated, assertive bitch) and it doesn't really bother me.
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If you think that's all I'm talking about, you truly are a walking caricature with no clue.

[MARV]

I wonder how so many black people are able to rise above such negative historical-socio-economic influences.

http://www.biography.com/blackhistory/200-notables.jsp

And there are countless others who we never hear about. Here in New York, I see everyday black people in many different professions, in leadership positions, owning businesses, holding degrees of higher education, etc.

The problem with using the slavery crutch is that it leaves little to no room for a black person to demonstrate the ability to "make it on his own". PC society assumes he is at a disadvantage and takes steps to make it easier for him. One most disconcerting effect I've seen is the "dumbing down" of one's own common sense or sense of competition in order to "even the playing field" in corporate America. And not just for black people but also for Hispanics and any other ethnic minority group. This is probably ethnocentricity at it's worst, especially when you consider the fact that white people offer eachother no such baby punches and in fact can even use below-the-belt punches with eachother. Which of course they would be called out on were they to do to a black or minority.

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[KYYX4ever]

Remember when Bill Cosby gave that speech a while back telling black people to clean up their act, that they were putting themselves down and setting themselves backwards with some of their actions?
(http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm)
I agree with you marv; we all know there are millions of black people who are doing right and sidestepping all that stereotype crap, not using slavery or whatever wrongs they've perceived as a crutch. They've got their heads on straight ! Good for them. Good for any of us who don't feed into some kind of perceived-injustice-in-the-past mentality that, ultimately, holds you back.

[MARV]

Thank you KYYX, for posting that. I think of that speech from time to time and always wanted to have a transcript of it. A recording would be even cooler!

I remember, years and years ago, I needed additional financial aid for my last semester of college. So I went to the financial aid office at my school thinking I would be eligible for a number of programs, being born in a South American country. I was astonished and disheartened at the reply: "Well those are for people that really need it." "Am I not eligible?" "Well, you know, you're articulate. You should have no problems."

I met the criteria yet was denied. To this day, I'm not sure what conclusions I should draw from this experience. You have to be foreign, poor AND dumb to be granted this financial aid? But because they don't advertise the "DUMB" part is the assumption that all foreigners are dumb? If so, why was I not determined to be dumb? Was the woman I spoke to just some bleeding heart, ethnocentric, biased half-brain on some misguided, personal mission to only help the inarticulate resident aliens? I'll never know. But I instantly saw the face of who was giving the crutch out. I instantly saw how easy it was for certain people to rely on the crutch.

Anyway, there was a happy ending to this tiny little story. I set up a meeting with the director of financial aid and he got me some money which I paid off some two years after I graduated. He was apologetic for the inappropriate behavior of his employee.

But this raises another question. If it's so easy to get the education and tools needed to get ahead in society, why do so many still walk with the crutch, if they even bother to try and get ahead at all?

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[KYYX4ever]

[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>But this raises another question. If it's so easy to get the education and tools needed to get ahead in society, why do so many still walk with the crutch, if they even bother to try and get ahead at all?
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I would venture to say [i]because they can[/i], because they know it's there, and it's easier to rely on a crutch when it's free and easy. Because everyone before them has used it, so why shouldn't they ? Many people (of all races or ethnicities) in today's climate have lost sight of using their actual skills and abilities to get ahead. Instead, too many have come to rely on these entitlement or affirmative-action programs, because it's like an automatic "in". Affirmative action had noble and worthy beginnings. But I wonder about its lasting effects today.

[shovelbum]

That fool proved that I DO bother him simply by responding AGAIN!!! It's like he's just GOT to have the last word to make himself feel like the uber-human!

Okay, I'm not denying that affirmative action sucks. It's frustrating to know that each one of us, individually, has our own needs and abilities and we should be recognized on that level- the HUMAN level. And I'm not denying that there are lots of successful minorities out there who are making a positive difference in the world. It's interesting that marv (I think it was marv) said that everyone has access to an education (or something to that effect).

Believe me, Marv, I live in the South, where everyone is about 40 years behind the North and West coast, and there is NO equal access. Children in privileged districts have state-of-the-art schools, and kids in the slums (I don't want to stereotype here, so I'll include black communities that are NOT slums) have horrible schools. Now how are those kids supposed to access this quality education so they can pull themselves out of the slums? How are they supposed to take school seriously when they've got a mother with no better than an 8th grade education (and typically no father) and most of the people/adults around them have the same level of education? When a kid grows up in that environment, it seems normal and acceptible to them. It gives them no drive or example for which to want to do better. They usually end up having to drop out of school to get jobs to help their mother and sibilings survive. Or they join gangs because they think they have no other options.

On top of that, they are saddled with having been raised speaking a different dialect of English (African American vernacular, which most people think is just poor English. You may be surprised to know that it is an offical dialect with strict rules of grammar, a type of Creole, if you will. There's also the Gullah-Geechee language which is spoken by a lot of African Americans here on the coasts. These people live isolated on their own islands with no white interference, so how do THEIR kids get access to equal education?). When these kids are introduced to school, all the text used is written in proper English which these kids really don't understand very well. The No Child Left Behind Act does not look out for these children or try to help them with this. I have spoken to Linguistics specialists who say they keep petitioning the government to create a program that will bridge this language barrier and help these kids master proper English. They know it is a crucial step in helping these kids to succeed in life. So far, all the govt keeps doing is printing up more texts in proper English. Very little has been done to educate teachers on how to "reach" these kids. It's not that most teachers don't want to help, it's that the govt. doesn't provide funding or programs to help them.

This language barrier stems from the pidgin English Africans learned when they were enslaved. Eventually, this pidgin evolved into a Creole. After slavery, they were segregated from "white" society, which only helped to perpetuate the Creole. The cycle of poverty, supported with this language issue, is at the core of what is keeping a lot of African American children from reaching their true potential.

I suppose the reason I feel for this community is that I have a son with a hearing disability and the No Child Left Behind Act is not acknowledging his needs either. They label him, prophecy that he will not likely be "college material" and file him away in a drawer, rather than create a learning environment that will help him to succeed. He is lucky that he has supportive parents who are aware of his potential and who have the monetary resources to do what is necessary to help him to prevail. Most of the African American children I described have neither the monetary resources nor a parent who knows any better to help them obtain those resources. The child grows up impaired by this situation and in turns raises his/her own "impaired" children. "And the wheel goes round . . . "

It is a shame that ANY person should be so disadvantaged in a country that is able to provide so much.

Yes, I agree that using a crutch or excuses stinks, and I know that there are those who are guilty of such a "crime". I also know that ignorance breeds ignorance and the only way to break that cycle is to reach out and offer proper knowledge and education through proper access. The problem is that our govt is not ready to recognize that they are responsible for providing the "proper access".



My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.