If you are going to commit.............

[shovelbum]

[quote][i]Originally posted by empyrean[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by hutter[/i]
<br>Hahaha, hardy har har.

To whom it concerns, FUCK YOU. Encouraging suicide, even in a joking matter, is repulsive. My entire family has been traumatized by my brothers suicide. It's not fodder for some lame-ass joke machine.
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Point taken hutter.

I sarted this thread because i remember my friends death. My friend committed suicide in 1992 because he cant handle the pressures of his studies and the constant yanking of his parents. He hanged himself inside his dorm. He was forced to study in our top uiversity (UP) and his parents are expecting nothing but high grades. Its common here. Some are even jumping from dorm buildings.



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I hear this is a problem in Japan as well. How horrible.

"Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal." ~Robert Heinlein

[ben_at_work]

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
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I hear this is a problem in Japan as well. How horrible.

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I hear this problem is "Big in Japan" is how you should have phrased it. This being a new wave message board and all [;)]

and, it is horrible as well [:(]

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[shovelbum]

Touche, Ben, touche!

I guess I was subconsciously trying to avoid "Turning Japanese"....



"Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal." ~Robert Heinlein

[eight6]

What a pair of jerk-offs.

[phillyidol]

I would do it for someone else if the situation actually called for it, not if they were just nuts. I think it is a huge compliment to be asked and trusted with such a huge thing. Was I asked? Well I will let that go for another day.





Brooklyn USA

[ben_at_work]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>What a pair of jerk-offs.



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What? No [}:)]

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[deethelurker]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ben_at_work[/i]
<br>Wow Deer! Glad you made it through all that!

Well, from the year of psychology I studied in college and from what I've read, depression is a deep well of darkness that unless experienced, can never be understood.

The good thing is that there is treatment and I know that it was said somewhere in this thread that more needs to be done for BETTER treatment.

So, all of the "quit talking about it and do it" bullshit should be looked at as humor spoken by those that have never been in the "Well."

Being terminally ill and wanting to die is totally different.

Everyone should watch "Ordinary People," great movie, Judd Hirsh, Mary Tyler Moore, Donald Sutherland, Timothy Hutton.
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Indeed, when I was experiencing active depression, it was as if I was in an immeasurably deep hole that I had no ability to get out of. I can remember so many opportunities when I would cry almost at the drop of a hat, though I managed to keep all of those crying jags private; whenever I was out in public and felt one come on, I would disappear to a restroom stall and sob as quietly as I could so no one would hear me. And when I was at home, I kept my crying to my bedroom and washed my eyes right after. And when I would wake up from one of my suicide attempts, I would hide the suicide note I'd left as best I could, then when I was at school or wherever I would shred the note and throw it away in the trash. I guess I just didn't want to bother anyone with any of the problems I was dealing with, though obv I think I would have benefited greatly from help.

Thankfully I found my own private way of emerging from it all -- I finally accepted me for who I was and am and found a way to embrace my uniqueness. One of the things that precipitated my past feelings of inadequacy was actually my total adoration of the '80s, especially NW music/pop culture (for I think NW *had* an associated pop culture). As a '90s teenager, this rendered me strange and unusual and few people in my generation could relate to what it was/is that excite(d) me so much about that decade/scene, and it carried over into my early twenties as I realized that those fellow '90s teens were absorbed in hyperindie-ness and, well, I just couldn't relate to their adoration of Sonic Youth et. al.

I felt so miserable about this and other aspects of my being that separated myself from the majority for so long that I had numerous crises of identity that culminated in that last, desperate suicidal attempt. I still felt the crushing depression for months afterward, but I didn't attempt again during that time period because that last attempt made me so ill and left me with stomach troubles that exist to this day that I didn't dare repeat my actions. But then I started embracing that which separated me from the already definable cliques/groupings out there, deciding to be proud of what made me undefinable and unique, and then I met one other person from my generation who had almost the same problems with being disconnected from the majority/our generation and that made me feel so much better about who I was and am, particularly since we had both had the same kinds of existential crises throughout our lives. I no longer felt so alone in my past struggles.

Now I stand proud as someone who has adored/embraced the '80s NW pop culture for over fifteen years, many years before some in my generation attempted to embrace "the Eighties" as a hipster, "in" thing to do (but failing thoroughly because they can never get the '80s, not even the NW scene they are struggling to get into). For they love the '80s ironically, sardonically, with one eyebrow raised, and that is not how to "love" this decade. You have to love wholeheartedly, genuinely, and with an eye for all aspects of the pop culture, not just the ones that are the most "acceptable". And I feel good knowing that I *have* always loved "the Eighties" in that manner -- well, as long as I've been aware of it, anyway -- and that even when I wished I could have been more like those in my generation, I never stopped loving "the Eighties", especially NW.

Sorry for going off into that tangent. I just felt it was something I should mention considering the forum I'm typing this post into.

[MikeP]

Dee,

Thank you for being open to sharing your feelings about this difficult subject matter. I have always been impressed with your enthusiasm and keen interest in obscure/forgotten '80s artists and I was always happy to share stuff like The Reels with you! You have a very astute knowledge of the era and music, and you're helping immensely in passing the proverbial torch to the younger generations.[8D]

I experienced a bad bout of depression--which coincided with some stomach ailments--back in the mid-90s, and while I never seriously entertained suicide, I was pretty miserable and began to wonder if the dark cloud was ever going to lift. I, too, have had a glimse of that dark place and it's ugly so I can sympathize.

[ben_at_work]

hey dee, ditto what mike said. Thanks for sharing. I have too admit it but i really think some of the comments inthis thread were in very bad taste. The graphic that addresses kids on how to properly slit their wrists. Totally uncalled for. I don't mind reading the different opinions people have on the subject but that graphic and a few other comments were very disrespectful to those who are dealing with or have dealt with depression.

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[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ben_at_work[/i]
<br>hey dee, ditto what mike said. Thanks for sharing. I have too admit it but i really think some of the comments inthis thread were in very bad taste. The graphic that addresses kids on how to properly slit their wrists. Totally uncalled for. I don't mind reading the different opinions people have on the subject but that graphic and a few other comments were very disrespectful to those who are dealing with or have dealt with depression.

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You mean this?

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Cry me a river. Oh wait, you already did. Business as usual, indeed.

[eight6]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by ben_at_work[/i]
<br>hey dee, ditto what mike said. Thanks for sharing. I have too admit it but i really think some of the comments inthis thread were in very bad taste. The graphic that addresses kids on how to properly slit their wrists. Totally uncalled for. I don't mind reading the different opinions people have on the subject but that graphic and a few other comments were very disrespectful to those who are dealing with or have dealt with depression.

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You mean this?

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Cry me a river. Oh wait, you already did. Business as usual, indeed.



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I see a sig in somebody's future...

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]



I see a sig in somebody's future...



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Hmmm. A very interesting idea. Ya never know ...

[phillyidol]

We can change our sigs?




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[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>I choose..... (drum roll)... why, of course:

DEATH BY SNU-SNU!!!

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<p align="justify">[i]The mind is willing but... the... body... is... weak[}:)]

As an angsty youngster who used to listen to waaay too much Christian Death and Clan Of Xymox, I used to think of suicide. Now that I listen to a lot of those old songs, they seem rather dated and cheezy - and so do thoughts of suicide; plus it would be a shitty thing to do to me family. However, in the spirit of this thread, I'd enlist in the army to go fight in Iraq. I'd probably be machine-gunned, blown up, or caught and beheaded as I try to take out fucktata al-sadder or some big radical jizzlamist leader[}:)]

[deethelurker]

OMG MikeP I am totally beyond flattered you would respond as you did! I have much to thank you for in terms of helping enrich my love of NW music and enabling me to get a much more accurate picture of the genre/'80s pop culture in general than I would've had otherwise. Wow, thank you.

And ben_at_work, as sweet as you are, I don't think you need to be all het up on my behalf. I know this thread was originally set up for joke/"comedy" purposes and I knew my post would probably not be in keeping with the majority of the others, and I'm not bothered by people on an interweb message board taking the mickey out of suicide, because unless they stand in front of the psychiatric wards of their local hospitals and taunt the suicide attempters as they're wheeled into their rooms, they're just up for a bit of fun, you know?