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Getting to know Barack Obama

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Getting to know Barack Obama

Postby hutter » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:41 am

Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (Senior) was born in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya. He is a member of the Luo tribe and grew up in the sleepy village of Alego-Kogello. http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframe...rack_obama.htm

Senior's father is Hussein Onyango Obama (Grandfather). He was born about 1895 and died in 1979. He was a prominent and wealthy farmer.http://www.politicalgateway.com/main...d.html?col=265

Grandfather lived for a time in Zanzibar, where he converted from Christianity to Islam. He was one of the first Muslim converts in his village. http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2488.cfm

"What your grandfather respected was strength -- discipline." Obama quoted his grandmother as telling him. "This is also why he rejected the Christian religion.http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...l_juan_wi.html

"For a brief time, he converted, and even changed his name to Johnson. But he could not understand such ideas as mercy towards your enemies, or that this man Jesus could wash away a man's sins."

"To your grandfather, this was foolish sentiment, something to comfort women," she added. "And so he converted to Islam -- he thought its practices conformed more closely to his beliefs."

1936 Grandfather had several wives. His first wife was Helima, with whom he had no children. Second, he married Akuma and they had Sarah Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Auma Obama.

Grandfather's third wife was Sarah, the one often referred to by Obama as his "grandmother," and is a lifelong Muslim. "I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith," she says.http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...porter-in.html

1943
Shirley Ann (Anna) Dunham born in Wichita, Kansas and would eventually live in 13 different places.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/17/us...erland&emc=rss

Anna Dunham is frequently described as an atheist. However, Obama remembers, "My mother was a deeply spiritual person and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions and talk to me about them.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani...040504.article

Anna Dunham's forebears were slaveholders.http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamcinto/dunham-genealogy.html

One of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 Census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

At 18, Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (Senior) marries a girl called Kezia from the local village. It was Kezia who remained his one true love and to whom he always returned.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Obama Sr. was working in an office in Nairobi, when he took Kezia from her family at the age of 16. Her father was furious.Kezia said: "He did not like Obama. My father and brothers came to Nairobi to bring me back. They said I had to go back to school.

"When I wouldn't, they said they would never speak to me again.

"Barack was also worried about what his father would think because I was so young, but he gave us his approval. Obama's father (often described as poor) sent my mother and father 14 cows for my dowry

1957
Senior is awarded a scholarship, to the University of Hawaii at Manoa.http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2488.cfm

Senior's scholarship is organized by a former Kenyan cabinet minister, the late Tom Mboya, http://africanhistory.about.com/od/c...o_mboya.htmwho was earmarked as the successor to Jomo Kenyatta, Kenya's first prime minister and leader of the terrorist Mau Mau. http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/people/A0827421.html

1958
Senior arrives at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. He is twenty-three years old.

Kezia, who is pregnant, remains in Kenya. Senior would have two more children with Kezia in subsequent years.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... +his+fathe r.../article.doresidental+hopeful+HASN'T+said+about+his+father.../article.do

1960 Although still married to Kezia, Senior marries fellow student Anna Dunham. Dunham is eighteen years old and an anthropology student. They are both students at the East-West Center.
1961 Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is born on August 4th, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii.

1963 After rejecting a scholarship at the Marxist New School for Social Research in New York City that would have paid for his family to come with him, Senior abandons Anna and Obama for Harvard, claiming there was no allotment for his family.
Obama is approximately 2 years old when his father abandons the family.

Jomo Kenyatta, who was arrested in October, 1952 on the charges of "managing and being a member" of the Mau Mau Society, seizes control of Kenya and becomes its first prime minister in May
In June, one month later, Senior leaves Harvard and returns to Kenya, joining the Kenyatta government as a senior economist.
Senior is obviously close to Kenyatta, Tom Mboya and the Kenyatta government,

1964 Senior marries his third wife, an American-born teacher called Ruth, whom he had met at Harvard while still legally married to both Kezia and Ann and who followed him to Africa. Senior also had two children with Ruth.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...174618&Disp=38

1968 Obama's mother marries Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo, who is an official of the Director General's office in the TNI Topography division of the Indonesian Army and later an oil company executive.

Lolo Soetoro, a Muslim, promptly moves his new family to Jakarta, Indonesia, the worlds most populous Muslim country.

Subsequently, Lolo and Anna will have one daughter, Obama's step-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng. It is she who places Obama in Jakarta, Indonesia, from 1968 through 1973.

In Obama's account of this move, he states his mother was shocked to discover how her new husband reverted to chauvinist Indonesian ways as soon as he left America and that Indonesia was a nasty right-wing dictatorship (although the latter doesn’t jibe with her spending much of the rest of her life in that country).
To Obama, his mother is a Kumbaya-era liberal. He feels that she messed up her life due to naïve faith in Third World countries and Third World men.
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_03_12/feature.html

Years later, when he’s working on Wall Street, he’s creeped out by his visiting mother’s insistence on seeing her favorite film, the 1959 Brazilian art-house classic "Black Orpheus." He belatedly realizes that his very fair-skinned mother is sexually attracted to dark men. He pompously intones, "The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

Wallace-Wells mentions in Rolling Stone:

There is an amazingly candid moment in Obama’s autobiography when he writes of his childhood discomfort at the way his mother would sexualize African-American men. "More than once," he recalls, "my mother would point out Harry Belafonte is the best-looking man on the planet." What the focus groups his advisers conducted revealed was that Obama’s political career now depends, in some measure, upon a tamer version of this same feeling, on the complicated dynamics of how white women respond to a charismatic black man.

Early in his run for the U.S. Senate in 2004, Obama’s pollsters discovered that women loved him, especially nice white ladies who like personalities more than politics and definitely don’t like political arguments.

The "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" blog reports that Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam.

Catholic schools accept non-Catholics worldwide. Non-Catholic students are typically excused from religious instruction and ceremony.
http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/t...ia-part-3.html


1971 Obama enters the Besuki Primary School, a government school. He was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Muslim.

Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama's teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. "He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,'" the teacher said.

His third grade teacher: Fermina Katarina Sinaga "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Obama wrote 'I want to be a President,' she said." [The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07]

Obama's sister Maya, has also said, "There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president."
http://political-buzz.com/2007/12/02...its-a-new-low/

http://political-buzz.com/2007/12/02...its-a-new-low/

All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."
http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/t...ia-part-2.html
According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 throuh 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.

"I remembered that he had studied "mengaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.

Our guy in Jakarta writes: "The actual usage of the word 'mengaji' in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. "Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes."

"The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet."

"As I've stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such."


1972 Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.

"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny," said Rony.

Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"

Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/t...ia-part-4.html
Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, "He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a 'sarong', at that time."

"He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion."
http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/o...etard-one.html

Upon Dunham's divorce from Lolo she sent 10-year-old Barack to live with her parents in Honolulu, while she and his half-sister stayed in Indonesia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wobama25.xml
Dunham would remain in Indonesia until her death in 1995 from cancer.

Meanwhile, Obama would describe his grandparents, the people who raised him, as "white folk."
http://www.masnet.org/prof_personality.asp?id=1508
Barry Soetoro is enrolled in the prestigious Punahou School and becomes Barack Hussein Obama.

Obama wanted a race to belong to, a team whose accomplishments would reflect well upon him. Of course, it was unthinkable in his liberal white family to take pride in the achievements of his mother’s race, so Obama gloried in being part of his absent father’s race.

From the age of ten onward, though, Obama desperately wants to be black: “I was trying to raise myself to be a black man in America, and beyond the given of my appearance, no one around me seemed to know exactly what that meant.” Honolulu’s paucity of African-Americans means he has to learn to be black from the media: “TV, movies, the radio; those were places to start. Pop culture was color-coded, after all, an arcade of images from which you could cop a walk, a talk, a step, a style.”

He cherishes every cause for complaint he can discern against white folks. He is constantly distressed at being half-white. Obama says he "ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

When his grandmother wants a ride to work because the day before, while awaiting the bus, she was threatened by a black panhandler, he is outraged -- at his grandparents.

Later, when he moves to the South Side of Chicago in 1984, he eventually discovers that, like his grandmother, he’s sometimes scared of black males on the street, too.While at Punahou School, Obama turns into a disenchanted teenage rebel, experimenting with cocaine and marijuana.

In his book, Obama recalls that he had "been headed" to the status of "junkie" or "pothead", which he describes as "the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man". He recalls smoking "reefer" in the backs of his friends' vans, dorm rooms and "on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school".

Obama, told a group of students in New Hampshire that his drug use had caused him to "waste a lot of time" during his high school years.

Bryon Leong, a former classmate, remembers, "He was known as a partier, as a guy looking for a good time, but not much more," Mr Leong said. "There was pot in Hawaii in the 1970s, but it wasn't a big deal."

"It wasn't like guys were smoking dope on campus and coming to school high," said Eric Kusunoki, 57, Obama's teacher from age 15 to 18. "If they did, it would have been pretty obvious. If he did dabble with drugs or alcohol, I didn't see it."

Other schoolmates also remember his time at school rather differently. He was a spoiled high-achiever, they recall, who seemed as fond of his grandparents as they were of him.

One of his former classmates, Alan Lum, said: "Hawaii is such a melting pot that it didn't occur to me when we were growing up that he might have problems about being one of the few African-Americans at the school. Us kids didn't see color. He was easy-going and well-liked."

Lon Wysard, who also attended the academy, said the budding politician was in fact idolized for his keen sportsmanship.

"He was the star basketball player and always had a ball in his hand wherever he was," Wysard recalled.

At school, Obama was surrounded by the island's richest and most accomplished students. America Online founder Steve Case, actress Kelly Preston and former Dallas Cowboys lineman Mark Tuinei, who died in 1999, attended the school around that time. Pro golf sensation Michelle Wie, 17, is a student there now (2006).

In his yearbook pictures, Obama wears a 1970s-style wide-collared shirt and sports jacket, his hair in a neatly trimmed afro that covers the tops of his ears.

He added a photo of himself playing basketball, and a shot entitled "Still Life" that includes numerous items. Among them are a trophy, telephone, turntable and beer bottle.
A package of "Zig-Zag" rolling papers and a matchbook are prominently displayed in front, and in a brief caption he thanked the "Choom Gang" and others "for all the good times."

The "Choom Gang" is a reference to "chooming," the Hawaiian slang for smoking marijuana.

1979 Obama enters Occidental College in California

In his first memoir, "Dreams," Obama included a description of black student life at Occidental College in Los Angeles.

"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

He added: "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

Obama said he and other blacks were careful not to second-guess their own racial identity in front of whites.

"To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred," he wrote.

1981 Occidental College in Los Angeles, which then had a black mayor, Tom Bradley, wasn’t black enough, so in search of a community to belong to, he transfers to Harlem … well, to be precise, to that prestigious university on the edge of Harlem, Columbia. (A recurrent theme in Obama’s career is Power to the People gestures and Ivy League results).

He majors in political science with a specialization in international relations.

1982 "I stopped getting high. I ran 3 miles a day and fasted on Sundays. For the first time in years I applied myself to my studies and started keeping a journal of daily reflections and very bad poetry," he wrote in "Dreams."

He went to the Marxist-Socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here."

Senior dies in an alcohol-related car accident in Kenya, leaving three wives, one mistress, six sons and a daughter -- there is also the possibility of an eight progeny via the mistress.

Although Obama claims Senior was an atheist, Senior was buried as a Muslim and the rival families of his late father are still suing each other over his meager estate.

One of Senior's former drinking partners, Kenyan writer Philip Ochieng Ochieng says that his friend's downfall was his weak character.

"Although charming, generous and extraordinarily clever, Obama Sr. was also imperious, cruel and given to boasting about his brain and his wealth," he said.

"He was excessively fond of Scotch. He had fallen into the habit of going home drunk every night. His boasting proved his undoing and left him without a job, plunged him into prolonged poverty and dangerously wounded his ego."

Ochieng recalls how, after sitting up all night drinking Black Label whisky at Nairobi's famous Stanley Hotel, Obama Sr. would fly into rages if Ruth asked where he had been.

Ochieng remonstrated with his friend, saying: "You bring a woman from far away and you reduce her to pulp. That is not our way."

But it was to no avail. Ruth sued for divorce after her husband administered brutal beatings.

In fact he was a menace to life, said Ochieng. "He had many extremely serious accidents. Both his legs had to be amputated. They were replaced with crude false limbs made from iron.

"He was just like Mr Toad [from Wind In The Willows], very arrogant on the road, especially when he had whisky inside. I was not surprised when I learned how he died."

Ruth refused to comment on the abuse charges when we tracked her down to the Kenyan school where she now works.

She said: "I was married to Barack's father for seven years so, yes, you could say Barack is my stepson.

"Barack's father was a very difficult man. Although I was married to him the longest of any of his wives he wasn't an easy person to be around."
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Postby hutter » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:43 am

1983 Obama graduates from Columbia College moves to Chicago where he finally finding a home where at least some whites reciprocated his antagonism.

Many of his classmates don't remember Obama. He's not in the yearbook. Columbia couldn't find a picture of him at school.
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_03_12/feature.html

In the period from high school in Hawaii, to Columbia University and then to the streets of Chicago as a community organizer, Obama is the classic angry young black man, describing his world thusly:

"We were always playing on the white man's court -- by the white man's rules. If the principal, or the coach, or a teacher wanted to spit in your face, he could, because he had the power and you didn't. The only thing you could choose was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage."

Obama once described the white race as “that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams.”

“That hate hadn't gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Tr...o_worlds_.html

During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other "half-breeds" who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.

1984 Obama goes to work for Business International in January. He stays one year.

1985 Obama answered a help-wanted ad for a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago. Obama was 24 years old, unmarried, and according to his memoir, searching for a genuine African-American community.

Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to "rub raw the sores of discontent," in Alinsky's words.

One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an interviewer of The New Republic, about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the "realization" that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent "self-interest" in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.

In these methods, euphemistically labeled "community organizing," Obama had a four-year education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere.
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/ba....2.335433.html
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...l_juan_wi.html
Obama travels to Kenya for the first time.

Obama's 40-year-old cousin Said Hussein Obama commented, "My cousin found it difficult when he came here to learn of his six half-brothers and sisters were born to four different mothers.
In addition to Obama's half-sister, Auma, Kezia has three sons by Barack Sr. Her two youngest, Bernard and Abo, live in Nairobi. They are all Muslims.

Obama falls under the spell of a leftist black nationalist preacher, Jeremiah A. Wright and becomes a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ (UCC).

Trinity describes itself as a "congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

"Trinity has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa, is committed to the historical education of African people in diaspora and committed to liberation, restoration, and economic parity."

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. They believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

Please read the "Black Value System" again -- only this time, substitute the word "White" for "Black."

If your church had such a "White Value System" Jesse and Al and the NAACP would have 10,000 demonstrators out front in a heartbeat.

Trinity is very anti-Israel and supports divestment.

At the UCC General Synod in 2005, the denomination adopted a resolution calling for “equal marriage rights for all,” regardless of gender. This includes homosexuals and transgender individuals.

On October 29, 2006, Dallas's Cathedral of Hope, known as the “world’s largest gay church,” was accepted into the UCC.

There are 15 videos on Trinity United Church of Christ "About" page. You can access them by staring video #1 (double-click) and then clicking the Menu button on the player after its started. The 2nd video is truly disturbing. In it you can hear the Rev. Wright spew 5 minutes of hate speech.
Hard to believe that this is the spiritual leader of someone who wants to be the president. If Obama takes spriitual guidance from that nut, then he is worse off than I thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYIZs


http://www.independentconservative.c.../obama_church/

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Rev. Wright preaches African-American unity through antipathy toward whites. Reverend Wright remains a major influence on the presidential candidate. The title of Obama’s second book, The Audacity of Hope, is borrowed from one of Wright’s sermons.

When he took over Trinity United Church of Christ in 1972, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. was a maverick pastor with a wardrobe of dashikis and a militant message.

He graduated from Howard University and earned bachelor's and master's degrees in English with a focus on African spirituals. At the University of Chicago Divinity School, he earned another masters degree in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.

This video, taken from the Trinity UCC church's "About" page presents an example of the Rev. Wright's beliefs -- it is truly disturbing.

Wright sought to build his church on the black theology of liberation introduced in 1968 by Rev. James Cone of New York, by emphasizing Africa's contribution to Christianity rather than that of mainstream white theologians.

Ben Wallace-Wells notes in Rolling Stone: "This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from."
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/12...-of-oprah.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...ligion_p romo
http://www.knology.net/~bilrum/libtheo.htm
Nobody, except Obama knows if his conversion to Christianity is real or not. However, there doesn't appear to be any record of a baptism.

Answering one of Rev. Wright's altar calls, Obama walks down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith.

Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, writes, "He (Obama) described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart."

"I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred. Nobody knows exactly what it means."

"Does it mean that you feel you've got a personal relationship with Christ the savior? Then that's directly part of the black church experience. Does it mean you're born-again in a classic sense, with all the accoutrements that go along with that, as it's understood by some other tradition? I'm not sure."

"There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not. There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that.'"

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

Falsani warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being "saved, transformed or washed in the blood." In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being "born again." As Mr. Obama himself explains, "It wasn’t an epiphany … but just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

In another account of this event, Manya Brachear, writing in the Chicago Tribune, describes the event thusly: "When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity. Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright's altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Falsani wonders, "What kind of faith is it that is growing in Barack Obama? Is it the historic Christian faith? Not according to the good senator, who describes his faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions."

Unlike traditional Christianity, which Mr. Obama bemoans for its "call to evangelize and proselytize," the good senator’s faith is strictly a personal and private affair. Although he has no qualms about parading it in public in hopes of bolstering his political career, he would never dream of preaching it to others in hopes of converting them to Christ.
http://www.thetruthsleuth.org/?p=21
http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani...fals19.article

1988 Obama goes off to one of the most famous white man's courts in the country, Harvard Law School.
Friends say he did not want anyone to assume they knew his mind and because of that, even those close to him did not always know exactly where he stood.

“He then and now is very hard to pin down,” said Kenneth Mack, a classmate and now a professor at the law school, referring to the senator’s on-the-one-hand, on-the-other-hand style.

Mack added, "Obama stood out from the beginning. He seemed more mature. Everyone understood he was a liberal. He didn't hide that."
http://www.berkeleybubble.org/2007/0...-school-years/

1998 Obama is a summer intern at the corporate law firm Sidley Austin LLP in Chicago where he meets Michelle Robinson, his summer adviser.
http://www.biobble.com/en/2006-446/B...biography.html

1990 Obama becomes the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.Abner Mikva, a five-term congressman from Illinois who was at that time Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. circuit, tried to recruit Obama as a clerk, a position considered a stepping stone to clerking on the Supreme Court, but Obama turned him down.

"He could have gone to the most opulent of law firms," David Axelrod, a longtime friend who is now Obama’s media adviser, said. "After Harvard, Obama could have done anything he wanted."

The Carl M. Loeb Professor at Harvard University, Laurence H. Tribe, taught Obama and employed him as a research assistant. He remembers him as a "brilliant, personable, and obviously unique" person. Tribe said that Obama’s theoretical perspective on applying modern physics to law was "very impressive."

"He is obviously a serious intellectual as well as a fantastic campaigner who can reach across boundaries," Tribe said. "He will make an extraordinarily fine president."

David B. Wilkins , the Kirkland and Ellis professor of law, said he advised Obama to become a Supreme Court Clerk. "Obama recognized the honor in pursuing that post," Wilkins said, but quickly added that he wasn’t interested.

“He said that he wanted to write a book about his life and his father, go back to Chicago, get back into the community, and run for office there. He knew exactly what he wanted and went about getting it done,” Wilkins said.

Obama works hard to dispel the image of having sought his superstar status. "It's not about me, it's about you," he likes to tell his crowds. But according to those who know him, he has been talking about the presidency for more than a decade. "It was clear to me from the day I met him that he was thinking about politics," says Harvard Law School classmate Christine Spurell.

The one thread, that remains consistent, throughout Obama's life, is his teacher's, mentor's and friend's recollection of Obama's single-minded pursuit of high political office.Obama graduates from Harvard Law School and receive his Juris Doctor law degree.

Obama graduates from Harvard Law School and receive his Juris Doctor law degree.
Obama moves back to Chicago where he takes a job with the civil rights law firm, Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Galland.

Obama and Michelle Robinson of Chicago, Illinois are married (October 18, 1992). The ceremony was performed by Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois.

Michelle Robinson was born into a working-class family from the South Side of Chicago in 1964. She graduated from Whitney Young High School in 1981 and majored in sociology at Princeton University, graduating cum laude in 1985. She obtained her Juris Doctor degree from Harvard Law School in 1988.

Following law school, she was an associate at the Chicago law firm of Sidley & Austin.
Michelle has also been an associate dean at the University of Chicago and is currently a vice president at the University of Chicago Hospitals. She sits on six boards, including the prestigious Chicago Council on Global Affairs and the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools.

1992
Obama's brother-in-law, Craig Robinson pulled him aside and asked about his plans. "He said, 'I think I’d like to teach at some point in time, and maybe run for public office,'" recalls Robinson, who assumed Senator Obama meant he’d like to run for city alderman. "He said no -- at some point he’d like to run for the U.S. Senate. And then he said, 'Possibly even run for President at some point.' And I was like, 'Okay, but don’t say that to my Aunt Gracie.' I was protecting him from saying something that might embarrass him."
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-just-kidding/

***Obama officially becomes an apostate Muslim by his conversion to Christianity and the question needs to be asked, was Obama's conversion faith-based or political expediency?

In either case, Muslims view Obama as first a Muslim and then as an apostate Muslim. He faces the death penalty in nearly the entire Islamic world.

There is no dispute among either ancient or modern Muslim scholars that under Islamic law, a murtadd, “one who turns his back on Islam,” an apostate, must be put to death. Irtidad, apostasy, is committing treason against God, and traitors deserve to be killed. At a minimum, other Muslims would shun him if not kill him and his mother. The fact they are eagerly welcomed by the Muslim community begs the question, is he their 'Manchurian' candidate?

At a minimum, Obama should be asked if he will support the efforts of Christian missionaries in Islamic countries to peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity.

http://www.brookesnews.com/070801obama.html

http://www.sunnah.org/msaec/articles/apostasy.htm

An American Expat in Southeast Asia blog, written by an American who has lived in Indonesia for 20 years and has met with both the Taliban and al-Qaeda, contains the following:

"Barack Hussein Obama might have convinced some Americans that he is no longer a Muslim, but so far he has not convinced many in the world's most populous Muslim country who still see him as a Muslim and a crusader for Islam and world peace."

"Barack Hussein Obama's race, his staunch opposition to the war in Iraq, his sympathy to Islam and Muslims worldwide and his Muslim heritage receive the Indonesian media coverage. There is no mention of his apostasy."

"A good example of how some of the Indonesian media is reporting on Obama's religion can be found in the following."

"Ayah kandung Obama disebut-sebut seorang Muslim, dan Barack Obama juga disebutkan pernah memeluk Islam. Setalah tinggal di AS dan diasuh neneknya, Obama mengaku telah memeluk Kristen. Masalah agama apa yang sekarang dianut Obama, itu adalah prinsip dirinya yang harus dihormati siapapun. Dan hanya Obama sendiri yang tahu dan akan mempertanggungjawabkan di hadapan Tuhan yang diyakininya."

"begin my translation..."

"Obama's father was mentioned to be a Muslim and Barack Obama had embraced Islam. After living in the USA and being taken care of by his grandmother, Obama claimed to embrace Christianity. The problem with religion and what is now followed by Obama is a principal he himself must honor. And only Obama personally will account before God for his beliefs."

"What I found interesting in the article was the use of the word 'mengaku' when refering to Obama's conversion from Islam to Christianity. The word 'mengaku' in Indonesian means "claimed" and as such leaves the insinuation to the native Indonesian reader being that Obama might actually still be a Muslim. But this is how Indonesians see Obama, they don't see him as an apostate at all, they see him as a crusader for the cause of Islam."

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/02/i...-apostate.html
Obama’s family connections to Islam would endure, however. For example, his brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.

"The person who made me proudest of all," Obama wrote, "was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."

Over the next several years, Obama represents victims of housing and employment discrimination and works on voting-rights legislation for a small public-interest firm.

He also began teaching at the University of Chicago Law School, although he declined to pursue a tenure-track post, hoping to save time for politics.

Obama is named Senior Lecturer at the prestigious University of Chicago Law School.

When he gets the chance to run for the state senate in a district that included Hyde Park, the home of the university and some of the poorest ghettos on the South Side, he jumps at it.
As part of Obama's first run for office, he releases his memoir/fable, "Dreams of My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance," in which he acknowledges that he used cocaine as a high school student but rejected heroin. "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though," he wrote.

On "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" (12/5/2006) Obama was asked by Leno about taking drugs. Said Leno, "Remember, Senator, you are under oath. Did you inhale?" Replied Obama, "That was the point." In his book, Obama excuses his drug use as "reflective of the struggles and confusion of a teenage boy; teenage boys are frequently confused.”

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/1...obama-on-leno/

Even more incriminating than the fact that Obama inhaled and admits to "maybe a little blow," Obama is a cigarette smoker, actually, a chain smoker.
If one wanted to attack Obama legitimately, they might mention that he chain smokes.
You can say it's nobody's business if he does, but his position on cigarettes and BIG Cancer
should reflect that he's a heavy smoker to avoid charges of hypocrisy.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...1.3e8ee63.html


we're still in '95 here:
Obama's mother dies of cancer a few months after the publication of his 1995 memoir.

Obama’s book is primarily about his rejection of his supportive white maternal extended family in favor of his unknown black paternal extended family.

At age 33, he wrote in "Dreams from My Father, that " he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother’s race.

Obama vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

In his memoir, "Dreams of My Father," Obama writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony. http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/3...weet28.article

On to '96 Obama is elected to the Illinois State Senate as a Democrat.
Obama has no military service record. This seemed SOOOO important when the lefties were running Kerry, now suddenly meh, not so much.
His political history in Illinois shows that Obama has proven himself to be a nearly perfect Progressive-Democrat.

Now, here is where things get very interesting....

While in the Illinois State Senate, Obama is named Chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee. His distinguished works include passing bill to assist children and adults who cannot afford health insurance; increasing funding for AIDS prevention and care; a law requiring police to videotape interrogations for crimes punishable by the death penalty; a law requiring insurance companies to cover routine mammograms; legislation to curb racial profiling.

Obama supports homosexual marriage, racial preferences, gun control, flag-burning, socialized medicine and the absolute right to abortion, including partial-birth abortions. He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.

Obama is anti-war, voted against the reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act, against privatizing Social Security and opposes the death penalty, three strikes laws and school vouchers. Again, he has no military service record.

Obama opposed the Defense of Marriage Act; would work to repeal it in the U.S. Senate; would not vote for any legislation that would restrict the ability of gays and lesbians to marry.


***Sorry don't have the link to this one, just the story...so a little side note here lol
Obama is the Most Pro-Abortion Candidate Ever
By Terence Jeffrey

Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.

He is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede -- as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor -- that these babies, fully outside their mothers' wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact "persons."

"Persons," of course, are guaranteed equal protection of the law under the 14th Amendment.

In 2004, U.S. Senate-candidate Obama mischaracterized his opposition to this legislation. Now, as a presidential frontrunner, he should be held accountable for what he actually said and did about the Born Alive Infants Bill.

State and federal versions of this bill became an issue earlier this decade because of "induced labor abortion." This is usually performed on a baby with Down's Syndrome or another problem discovered on the cusp of viability. A doctor medicates the mother to cause premature labor. Babies surviving labor are left untreated to die.

Jill Stanek, who was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill., testified in the U.S. Congress in 2000 and 2001 about how "induced labor abortions" were handled at her hospital.

"One night," she said in testimony entered into the Congressional Record, "a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down's Syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn't bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived."

In 2001, Illinois state Sen. Patrick O'Malley introduced three bills to help such babies. One required a second physician to be present at the abortion to determine if a surviving baby was viable. Another gave the parents or a public guardian the right to sue to protect the baby's rights. A third, almost identical to the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act President Bush signed in 2002, simply said a "homo sapiens" wholly emerged from his mother with a "beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles" should be treated as a "'person,' 'human being,' 'child' and 'individual.'"

Stanek testified about these bills in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, where Obama served. She told me this week he (Obama) was "unfazed" by her story of holding the baby who survived an induced labor abortion.

On the Illinois Senate floor, Obama was the only senator to speak against the baby-protecting bills. He voted "present" on each, effectively the same as a "no."

"Number one," said Obama, explaining his reluctance to protect born infants, "whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the Equal Protection Clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

That June, the U.S. Senate voted 98-0 in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (although it failed to become law that year). Pro-abortion Democrats supported it because this language was added: "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this section."

Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer explained that with this language the "amendment certainly does not attack Roe v. Wade."

On July 18, 2002, Democratic Sen. Harry Reid called for the bill to be approved by unanimous consent. It was.

That same year, the Illinois version of the bill came up again. Obama voted "no."

In 2003, Democrats took control of the Illinois Senate. Obama became chairman of the Health and Human Services committee. The Born Alive Infant bill, now sponsored by Sen. Richard Winkel, was referred to this committee. Winkel also sponsored an amendment to make the Illinois bill identical to the federal law, adding -- word for word -- the language Barbara Boxer said protected Roe v. Wade. Obama still held the bill hostage in his committee, never calling a vote so it could be sent to the full senate.

A year later, when Republican U.S. senate candidate Alan Keyes challenged Obama in a debate for his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Bill, Obama said: "At the federal level there was a similar bill that passed because it had an amendment saying this does not encroach on Roe v. Wade. I would have voted for that bill."

In fact, Obama had personally killed exactly that bill. END


Obama opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act four times in Illinois. A similar bill passed the U.S. Senate 98-0. The Born Alive bill would have prohibited a baby from being born alive but left to die according to the mother's wishes.

Obama opposed this bill not once, twice, or three times, but four times.

Obama took almost $90,000 in bundled contributions from the Council for a Livable World. The council is a well-known anti-defense organization.

Obama puts rigid ideology before what's best for the people of Illinois, and presumably he would do that as President as well. He has on several occasions made public his opposition to the NAFTA trade agreement and his belief that it must be negotiated. All the while thanks to NAFTA, Illinois exports $1.3 billion in agricultural goods to Canada.

Obama refused to vote for a bill in the Illinois State Senate that would have increased penalties for drug traffickers.

Obama voted against a bill that would have delivered the death penalty to gang members who murder first responders.

Obama was the only member of the Illinois State Senate to vote against a bill that prohibited early release for sexual predators.

1999 Daughter Malia, the Hawaiian form of Mary, is born.
2000 Obama makes an unsuccessful run for the U. S. House of Representatives.
2001 Obama is also protective of civil rights for Muslims in the U.S., saying, "In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging," he laments. "I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...l_juan_wi.html

2001 Obama sponsors Illinois Senate Bill 750 creating the "Halal Food Act," providing for inspections by the Department of Agriculture to ensure that all food labeled Halal is prepared according to Islamic law.
http://www.illinois.gov/PressRelease...=3&RecNum=1517

2001 Daughter Sasha, the Russian pet form of Aleksandra, is born.

2002 In October, Obama gives a speech at an antiwar rally in Chicago opposing the invasion of Iraq, saying, "I am not opposed to all wars. I am opposed to dumb wars."

Obama, running unopposed, wins reelection to the state senate in 2002.

2003Obama calls the Iraq war "a botched and ill-advised U.S. military incursion into a Muslim country."

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...l_juan_wi.html

If I didn't know better I would start to think that Juan is beginning to see the light...I said IF I didn't know better. He's still a liberal freaktard.


2004 Obama runs for an open seat in the U.S. Senate.
Obama delivers his now-famous DNC Convention speech.

In his speech, he says, "My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father -- my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

"Responding to questions about his intent to serve out the six year senate term, Obama says, that he will not run for the presidency in four years.

Notice: The video has disappeared. A lot of stuff is being scrubbed from the web. Along with some of the stuff that used to be on his church's web site. All cleaned up real nicey nice like.

Here is what he said in the video:

"I think I've been very clear. Ah-ah-mumble-mumble, there's a presidential election in four years. I'm not running for president in four years."

Here is a backup story -- during a meeting with reporters at his Illinois campaign headquarters after his election to the U.S. Senate, he ridiculed as "a silly question" whether he would run for president or vice president before his term ends in 2011. "I’ve never worked in Washington," he said. "I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years, and my entire focus is making sure that I’m the best possible senator on behalf of the people of Illinois."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2694.html

2004 Obama is elected to the United States Senate.
2005 Obama is sworn into office as the junior United States Senator for Illinois (D).

Less than two months after ascending to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his biggest political donors.

One of the companies was a biotech concern that was starting to develop a drug to treat avian flu. In March 2005, two weeks after buying about $5,000 of its shares, Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.

He also bought more than $50,000 in stock in a satellite communications business whose principal backers include four friends and donors who had raised more than $150,000 for his political committees.
A spokesman for Obama says the senator did not know that he had invested in either company.
"I don't recall." <<Didn't Martha try that line too???

2005 Druncle~Uncle Tedddy Kennedy refers to Obama as Osama. Don't pass up the vid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos

And the spin begins:
In April, the beatification of Obama begins when Time magazine names Obama one of "The World's Most Influential People." He is listed among other leaders and revolutionaries. This same year, the British journal New Statesman names Obama one of "10 People Who Could Change the World."
Ethical questions surround Obama's shady real estate deal and relationship with indicted political fundraiser and Arab-American activist Tony Rezko, who befriended Obama during his Harvard days.

Obama bought a $1,650,000 Georgian revival mansion at a gigantic discounted price, some $300,000 less than the asking price. The same day, Rezko's wife bought the adjoining lot, paying the full $625,000 asking price.

The Rezko lot wasn't accessible from the public street. However, it abuts Obama's property and provided a private preserve that adds to its ambience. Obama bought the Rezko property for $104,500 -- $520,500 less than Rezko's wife paid for it.

Did Tony Rezko and his wife subsidize the purchase of Obama's opulent home?

Mr. Obama turned to Mr. Rezko for help at several important junctures. Records show that when Mr. Obama needed cash in the waning days of his losing 2000 Congressional campaign, Mr. Rezko rounded up thousands of dollars from business contacts. In 2003, Mr. Rezko helped Mr. Obama expand his fund-raising for the Senate primary by being host of a dinner at his Mediterranean-style home for 150 people, including some whose names have since come up in the influence scandal.

Beyond that, what does it cost to furnish and move into a $2,275,000 home -- another $500,000?

At any rate, this is pretty good for a guy earning $165,200 per and who once ran his credit cards up so high that the credit card company denied him access to further use of his card.
Obama supports the interests of Planned Parenthood 100%.

Obama supports the interests of NARAL Pro-Choice America 100%.

Obama supports the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0%.

Obama supports the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, and the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100%.

Obama supports the interests of the AFL-CIO 92%.

Obama accepts rides on corporate jets, some to attend his own fundraisers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/08/po...=1&oref=slogin
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Obama's Criticism Irks Kenyan Government
Government Says Obama Is A Stooge For Political Opposition
by Mike Flannery, CBS 2 Political Editor

(August) There are signs of tension between Sen. Barack Obama and African leaders. On Monday, Obama stepped up his criticism of government corruption in Kenya.

At the University of Nairobi, the senator offered more pointed criticism, something he's done almost every day since arriving last week. After remaining largely silent, the government of President Mwai Kibaki is beginning to respond, suggesting that Obama may have fallen under the spell of opposition leader Raila Odinga, Obama's cousin.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wkenya308.xml

A potential presidential candidate himself, Odinga's been at Obama's elbow here fairly often and is a member of the Obama family's Luo tribe.

"Sen. Obama has to look at critically about where he's receiving his advice from," said government spokesman Dr. Alfred Mutua. "Just because somebody, somewhere wants to run for president and is using Sen. Obama as his stooge, as his puppet to be able to get to where he wants to get to."

Obama supports the interests of Planned Parenthood 100%.

Obama supports the interests of NARAL Pro-Choice America 100%.

Obama supports the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0%.

Obama supports the interests of the American Immigration Lawyers Association 88%.
In October, Obama publishes "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream," which details his views of politics and his vision for the future of the U.S. government and its people.

“Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different,” Obama wrote. "His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will."

He added: "Malcolm’s discovery toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him as brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation." SOME WHITES?????? WTF??? Yup, only if said "whites" are muzzies *eye roll*
http://michaelinmi.wordpress.com/category/barack-obama/

In "Audacity of Hope Obama advocates civil unions for gay people, declaring tartly that he is not "willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount."

He says he doesn’t "believe we strengthen the family by bullying or coercing people into the relationships we think are best for them – or by punishing those who fail to meet our standards of sexual propriety."

OK 2007, whew! Getting closer...


CNN (Cable News Network) mistakenly refers to Obama as Osama (as in bin Laden). This makes me snicker! Yes, I'm evil.

On January 24. the Obama campaign released the following statement, "To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in
Chicago.

Obama formally announces he is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States of America on February 10th.

Statement is refuted by the campaign on March 14th. Ut ohhhhhhhhh
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ein_obama.html

Obama formally announces he is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States of America on February 10th.

Two days later, Obama Obama says that the lives of more than 3,000 American soldiers killed in Iraq had been “wasted.” (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6_vFcW9pZI&eurl=
OOPSIES, already foot in mouth disease sets in


George Soros is a key supporter of the media-darling Illinois Democrat's presidential campaignhttp://www.nypost.com/seven/020 ... gesix_.htm

On the February 19th edition of Paula Zahn Now, guest host Kyra Phillips, confused Obama with the world’s most wanted terrorist, saying -- on air -- "What do you think is Osama bin - is, is Obama - boy that was a terrible slip of the tongue, right? Barack Obama, is he that new leader?"
I giggle every time!!


In February, Obama pays $400 in parking tickets to Cambridge (MA) and $71 in excise taxes to Somerville for fines and taxes incurred while he was at Harvard Law School.

Obama’s operatives paid 17 outstanding tickets in Cambridge for a vehicle with Illinois plates.

Missing are the penalties and fees on a 17 year old tax bill which are considerable.


As another example, consider Obama's stirring tale for the Selma audience about how he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the "Bloody Sunday" voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4. "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama," he said, "because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama"

Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: "I meant the whole civil rights movement."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3304.html

Obama's pastor Jeremiah A. Wright told The New York Times in an interview, published March 6th: "When his (Obama's) enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli," with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to visit Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, "a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell."
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/...ujah_bara.html


On March 7th, Obama was on the defensive over stock purchases from companies whose investors included his political donors.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...S-sweet08.stng

On March 14th, in a statement to The Times, the Obama campaign offered this statement to correct their previous statement, that was a bold-faced lie:

"Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center."

This is a departure from the earlier statement made by the Obama campaign on January 24. "To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.

In three months Barrack's campaign has gone from describing the U.S. presidential hopeful as never having been a Muslim and never having been raised as a Muslim to now having never having been a practicing Muslim.

What's with the semantics? Statements from Obama's campaign appear to have evolved, to say the least.

In March, Obama tells the Muscatine, Illinois Democratic party activists that he supports relaxing restrictions on aid to the Palestinian people. He said they have suffered the most as a result of stalled peace efforts with Israel. "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people."In March, Obama tells the Muscatine, Illinois Democratic party activists that he supports relaxing restrictions on aid to the Palestinian people. He said they have suffered the most as a result of stalled peace efforts with Israel. "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people."

Obama, asked if homosexuality was immoral, in the wake of comments by Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman General Peter Pace (3/12), sidestepped the question. After pressure from gay groups, Obama issued a statement stating he did not agree with Pace "that homosexuality is immoral."
An analysis of "lifetime voting records," shows Obama as the most liberal Democrat in Congress, with a score of 84.3 after two full years in the Senate. The most liberal score possible was 99.

The study, released in March by the National Journal, a respected inside-the-Beltway research report, places Obama even in front of Dennis Kucinich, with a lifetime score of 79.4.
Obama's picture is currently displayed on the page banner of Project Islamic H.O.P.E.

Project Islamic H.O.P.E.is a national civil rights organization that advocates for the human rights of oppressed people regardless of race, gender or religion.

Project Islamic H.O.P.E. follows the teachings of the Holy Quran and the example of Prophet Muhammad. (Peace Be Upon Him)

Project Islamic H.O.P.E. supports and follows the leadership of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, one of the world’s foremost Islamic leaders.

On March 25th, the Chicago Tribune reports that an extensive search found no basis for an episode Obama recounts about a picture he ran across in Life magazine of a "black man who had tried to peel off his skin" in a failed effort to use chemicals to lighten it. Obama writes that "seeing that article was violent for me, an ambush attack."

The Tribune continued: "Yet no such Life issue exists, according to historians at the magazine. No such photos, no such article. When asked about the discrepancy, Obama said in a recent interview, 'It might have been an Ebony or it might have been ... who knows what it was?' (At the request of the Tribune, archivists at Ebony searched their catalogue of past articles, none of which matched what Obama recalled.)"
WHO KNOWS??? Now we are supposed to just accept whatever the hell comes flying out of their mouths?

Obama, tells the crowd at fundraiser , "I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution."

For the record, Obama is a "Senior Lecturer (on leave of absence)" at the University of Chicago Law School. He has taught Constitutional Law III: Equal Protection and Substantive Due Process, Current Issues in Racism & the Law, and Voting Rights & the Democratic Process.

On April 4th, Obama's campaign announces that they raked in $25 million for his presidential bid in the first three months of 2007, placing him on a par with front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and dashing her image as the party's inevitable nominee.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...BEEFF71D0E.htm
interesting story for aljezeera, hmm...

Another OOPSIES...

On April 9th, the DrudgeReport releases a snapshot of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and his chief political/media adviser David Axelrod having a meeting in the Senator’s Capitol Hill office.

ROLL CALL reports that Congressional ethics rules forbid the use of federal office space for political and campaign activity.

Can you say SOCIALISM...

Obama endorses "comparable worth," a truly bad idea. In case you don't know what comparable worth is, it's an idea concocted by feminists in the 1970s or early 1980s. They said that jobs typically held by women pay less than jobs typically held by men.

To eliminate this inequity, somebody–the courts, maybe, or some administrative agency, presumably with appeals to the courts–should decide what those jobs were really worth, based on some sort of convoluted criteria. So that it could be possible to prove that secretaries were of comparable worth to truck drivers and should be paid the same wages.

Comparable worth would subject the private-sector economy to the equivalent of the federal civil service system. Bureaucrats would have to classify every job, with their classifications subject to administrative and judicial review.

And there is no fatwah??? Things that make you go Hmm...
From the New York Times, "Mr. Obama has written that when he became a Christian, he 'felt God’s spirit beckoning' and 'submitted myself to His will and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.' While he has said he shares core Christian beliefs in God and in Jesus as his resurrected son."

April 30th, The New York Times has a report on its front page about Obama's strained relationship with his pastor, also known as his "spiritual mentor." The Times does tend to downplay some of the harsher statements that Pastor Wright has made about Israel, Wright's support for Louis Farrakhan; trips to Libya and more.

Pastor Wright is a supporter of Louis Farrakhan, and in 1984 traveled with him to visit Col. Muammar al-Gadaffi, an archenemy of Israel and America and a firm supporter of terror groups.

Wright has also been a severe critic of Israel. In his own words:

"The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for almost 40 years now. It took a divestment campaign to wake the business community up concerning the South Africa issue. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community up and to wake Americans up concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

May: Obama receives Secret Service protection -- earliest ever.


Ya know, I'm really gonna miss bush's inability to pronounce words...at least he wasn't just shooting his mouth off , I mean geez louise!
On May 8th, Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.

The death toll was 12.

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed," the Democratic presidential candidate said in a speech to 500 people packed into a sweltering Richmond art studio for a fundraiser.

His excuse for this blunder was, "There are going to be times when I get tired," he said. "There are going to be times when I get weary. There are going to be times when I make mistakes."


just another "mistake"

On May 10th, Obama botched his facts in a speech criticizing the U.S. auto industry for "investing in bigger and faster cars while foreign competitors invested in more fuel-efficient technology."

Obama stated that "while our fuel standards haven't moved from 27.5 miles per gallon in two decades, both China and Japan have surpassed us, with Japanese cars now getting an average of 45 miles to the gallon." But Toyota, which should know, has responded, "No carmaker gets 45 mpg; ours is closer to 30 mpg."

oh nooooo not another hypocrite...I'm SHOCKED!
Obama spent the better part of his remarks criticizing US automakers for not building more hybrid vehicles like Toyota and Honda.

Well, we're glad to see Obama's shifting the blame from the consumer to the automakers. That must explain why the Illinois Senator and Presidential candidate owns a HEMI-powered V8 Chrysler 300C.

Obviously it's Chrysler's fault Obama bought a big 5.7-liter engine from them -- he just didn't have a choice.

and with socialists comes socialized medicine...

Seeking to add heft to his presidential bid, Democrat Barack Obama is offering a sweeping plan that would require every American to have health coverage and calls on government, businesses and consumers to share the costs of the program.

and now campaign contributions:
Presidential candidate Barack Obama will give $16,500 in contributions linked to an indicted donor to charity, part of the Democrat's effort to distance himself from a friend and fundraiser.

The donations came from two Chicago businessmen who worked with indicted entrepreneur Antoin "Tony" Rezko, Obama's friend since his Harvard days and financial beard in the purchase of Obama's home and property.

Rezko has pleaded not guilty to charges that he shook down investment firms that wanted to do business with the state of Illinois. Obama last year gave charities $11,500 to clear his campaign fund of donations that had come directly from Rezko.

Does he have to give the house and property back?

Rut Roh...there's more...

In June, it was revealed that Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens when he was an Illinois state senator.

The deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama's former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama's state Senate district.

Obama's letters, written nearly nine years ago, for the first time show the Democratic presidential hopeful did a political favor for Rezko -- a longtime friend, campaign fund-raiser and client of the law firm where Obama worked -- who was indicted last fall on federal charges that accuse him of demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state business under Gov. Blagojevich.


next we have...oh looky another "mistake"
Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama, on Monday (6/19), said his campaign made a "dumb mistake" when it circulated a memo criticizing rival Hillary Rodham Clinton's financial ties to India.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Obama disavowed the memo which carried the headline -- "Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab) -- and referred to Bill and Hillary Clintons' investments in India; her fundraising among Indian-Americans; and the former president's $300,000 in speech fees from Cisco, a company that has moved U.S. jobs to India.

"It was a dumb mistake on our campaign's part and I made it clear to my staff in no uncertain terms that it was a mistake," Obama told the AP in a brief interview in which he referred to the memo as "unnecessarily caustic."

Whaaaaaaaaa! it's not my fault!:
Despite often-lofty rhetoric that he plans to bring the nation a ''new kind of politics,'' Sen. Barack Obama has surrounded himself with operatives skilled in the old-school art of the political back stab. Yet when Obama was criticized this week for opposition research memos critical of Sen. Hillary Clinton's ties to India and Indian-Americans, he was quick to blame his staff. /snip/ It was at least the third time since February the Illinois Democrat has blamed his staff for a glitch.


Those evil right wingers and their conspiracies!!
Sen. Barack Obama told a church convention Saturday that some right-wing evangelical leaders have exploited and politicized religious beliefs in an effort to sow division.

"Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and faith started being used to drive us apart," the Democratic presidential candidate said in a 30-minute speech before the national meeting of the United Church of Christ.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...159.shtml?s=ic


During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman and Arab-American activist, Tony Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

Seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career.

However, Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

The deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama's former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama's state Senate district.

Obama's letters, written nearly nine years ago, for the first time show the Democratic presidential hopeful did a political favor for Rezko -- a longtime friend, campaign fund-raiser and client of the law firm where Obama worked -- who was indicted last fall on federal charges that accuse him of demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state business under Gov. Blagojevich.


An endorsement instead of a fatwah...

American Muslims for Obama '08 features the masthead comment, "DONATE TODAY: One $1 DOLLAR for ONE NATION UNDER GOD"

In case there is any doubt as to which "God" these folks are speaking of, the first two paragraphs make it abundantly clear.

With God's Name ~ Quran 49:13 Oh Mankind! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. The best of you, in the sight of God, is the best in conduct. Allah is the best knower, aware.

As Salaam Alaikum, (The Peace of God Be Upon You) and welcome to Muslim Americans for Obama'08.

Also prominently feature is an endorsement from Keith Ellison, who recently drew a comparison between Hitler and President Bush, and took his oath of office on a Quran.

Muslim Congressman Keith Ellision endorsed the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. Obama saying, "He speaks with a unifying spirit." He said he supports "Obama's message of an open and fair economy, a balanced prosperity and clear opposition to the war in Iraq."

There is a link, under "Resources" on the first page that directs the reader to a Wikipedia definition of "Who is a Muslim." Some extracts are:

"The Qur'an describes as Muslims many Biblical prophets and messengers: Adam, Noah (Arabic: Nuh), Moses (Arabic: Musa) and Jesus (Arabic: Isa) and his apostles."

In Surah 3:52 of the Qur'an, Jesus’ disciples tell Jesus: "do thou bear witness that we are Muslims".
http://www.muslimsforobama08.com/


His voting record:http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...o000167/votes/
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Postby eight6 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:12 am

Far too long to read, but impressive in that not once did you have to take a dump. Seriously, was there no possible way to shorten this? I got about half way through then decided I never wanted to hear of Barack Obama again.

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Postby oneno » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:37 am

John McCain, the Dishonorable Disgrace and Pathological Liar
Most of what people know of John McCain is what he wants them to know. That's where McCain has been a shrewd and successful politician. Unfortunately, it is the most shrewd politicians who are the most deceitful and McCain certainly ranks among them.

The public perception of McCain has admittedly been my own. It was when I started seeing more and more evidence of a tragically flawed character, my view of him changed dramatically and not for the better. Like most people, I became blinded by the myth, a myth that McCain has deliberately crafted for political advantage. Like most people, here's what I thought of when I thought of McCain:

War Hero & PoW
Honest & honorable
blunt and forthright
A "maverick" unconcerned with opinions
A man of unwavering character
Some of these are accurate but others are just plain wrong.

You only have to watch any of the debates to hear people talk about McCain being a hero and such an honorable man and so forth. Candidates can't wait to say something about his honor. But why is that? The answer to that lies in McCain's own emphasis, which is to say that McCain is milking his status as a former PoW for all that it's worth. I don't use the word "milking" lightly either. It's one thing to say that he reminds people of it, but he takes every opportunity to bring it up and especially uses it as a means of changing the subject or silencing a critic because everyone knows that it would be politically incorrect to say anything negative about a PoW. It's not unlike the cartoon character that dons a pair of spectacles and says, "You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, would you?"

It's understandable that McCain would want to place so much emphasis on his PoW status. He has a lot of other things that he doesn't want people to bring up.

John McCain had extra-marital affairs which, even by his own admission, had nothing to do with Vietnam. While those are indeed behind him, it shatters the "honorable soldier" myth. It should also be mentioned that adultery is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice under which he was serving. I'm just saying.
McCain was a discipline problem at Annapolis and received over 100 demerits each year and graduated 5th from the bottom of his class. Much has been made of Bush's "C average" in graduate school, but nobody dares say a thing about McCain being the 5th worst midshipman in his class.
McCain had to retire as a Captain. His father and grandfather were both admirals. As a decorated war-hero, for him not to become a flag officer must have felt like a huge failure. Further, it's entirely possible that he had other problems that led to him not being promoted, which failure to be promoted prompted his retirement.
The only real civilian job that McCain ever had was in his 2nd father-in-law's beer business.
The Keating 5 scandal.
He uses his PoW status as a means to hide from a mediocre college career, the failure to reach admiral like his dad and grandfather, his infidellity, and his bribes.

Don't let anyone forget the Keating scandal. John McCain would not have escaped that if it hadn't been for two things:

He went to the MSM and appeared on every TV show he could find and proclaimed his innocence. Sound familiar? If he says something long enough people will believe it and that's precisely why he repeats his lies after he's been caught.
The Gulf War started and he was suddenly "the" expert for the Republicans because he was not only military, he gave anyone in the media access and that's what the MSM likes.
McCain should have been run out on a rail that year and conservatives shouldn't let people forget it before Tuesday.

And his lies? Well, I could compile a list, but that's hard to do where I'm seated at the moment and I'm sure there are more and more lists every day. I'll pick two:

McCain has said in debates that he was "the only one on this stage to endorse the surge" and even when the others proved him wrong he said "no you weren't". That is a complete fabrication and it's mythbuilding, something at which McCain excels.
McCain accused Romney (repeatedly) of supporting a withdrawal from Iraq, something that McCain intentionally pulled out of context to make Romney sound bad. When Romney disputed it and Anderson Cooper read the entire quote, McCain wouldn't relent. He kept saying, "timetables were a code word for withdrawal" even though Romney had said specifically in the interview to which McCain refers that he wouldn't support a withdrawal.
We need to pull the rose-colored glasses off the electorate and let them see McCain for who he really is. He is an opportunistic man of questionable character who peddled influence to the highest bidder and then championed "campaign finance reform" to cover his own butt and make people forget Keating.

John McCain is a disgrace because of Keating and will say whatever he has to say (including lying even when he's caught red-handed) in order to prove to his dead father and grandfather that he's not a failure and will also be a high-ranking military commander, even if he has to jump the chain-of-command to do it.

Don't let yourself be blinded by his robotic recital of "foot soldier in the Reagan revolution" and "largest squadron in the navy" into thinking he is anything more than a liar who craves power.



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Postby SallyLightfoot » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:53 am

The Obama islamic fearmongering begins!

Please don't ask us to read this post. It would obligate any reader to conduct some fact-checking, and I'm personally betting that rough 50% of the sentence-count is factually wrong, with another 25% carefully mischaracterized to produce maximum deception.

Who in America is afraid of muslims? Only oops-i-crapped-my-pants right wingers who GET OFF on the fear of brown-skinned people challenging the white-christian-male order. Our bigger problem at the moment is religious fanatics of any religion, in particular white-skinned ones that wear "magic underwear" (Google it) or want constitutional amendments to ensure equal rights don't apply to women and gays.
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Postby i_like_lectric_motors » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:13 am

We just need an all atheist government. That's the only way shit will ever get fixed. We need people who are willing to do what needs to be done, without feeling like they have to answer to some bullshit god, no matter what color that bullshit god is. You want to talk about fear? The problem is definitely fear. Unless we get people's beliefs out of the dark ages, we're doomed to move back into them.

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Postby KYYX4ever » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:14 am

*sighs*
another dumb cut and paste fearmongering post.

Much of this has been discredited.
Like anyone who is enlightened and will be voting believes any of this anyway.

Go Obama !

*oops, I edited this to change "[i]most[/i]" into "[i]much[/i] of this has been dicredited". Because it is true, for example, that he supports a woman's right to choose (thank goodness!), supports the rights of gays & lesbians to marry, and remains staunchly anti-war (thanks again!).
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Postby MARV » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:15 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>Our bigger problem at the moment is religious fanatics of any religion, in particular white-skinned ones that wear "magic underwear" (Google it) or want constitutional amendments to ensure equal rights don't apply to women and gays.[/quote]

One step ahead of ya babe. Here's a pretty richly detailed PBS program on Romney's faith. Brush up on the faith folks.....[i][b]just in case:[/i][/b]

http://www.pbs.org/mormons/view/

Anyway, so has this thread now become the official presidential candidate shit-slinging thread?
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Postby NuWaveRx » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:35 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>We just need an all atheist government. That's the only way shit will ever get fixed. We need people who are willing to do what needs to be done, without feeling like they have to answer to some bullshit god, no matter what color that bullshit god is. You want to talk about fear? The problem is definitely fear. Unless we get people's beliefs out of the dark ages, we're doomed to move back into them.

Motors for President. Write me in, yo.
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With that platform, you've got my vote Motors..[:)]

The PBS documentary on mormonism is a good place to start for those unfamilar with that faith. Personally I could care less that Romney wears garments or believes that he will end up in a "level of heaven" (i.e. the celestial kingdom) that I, as a non-mormon, cannot enter. People can believe in the First Church of the Sacred Whammo Frisbee and run for goverment office as far as I'm concerned. Where I share Sally's concern is if that person cannot then seperate personal religious dogma from the laws they are supposed to uphold. Take it from someone who lived in Utah for the better part of a decade: in general, devout mormons cannot seem to keep church tenet and secular law seperate. To me, the risk that Romney would attempt to mirror Utah politics is too scary to contemplate.
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Postby hutter » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:36 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>We just need an all atheist government. That's the only way shit will ever get fixed. We need people who are willing to do what needs to be done, without feeling like they have to answer to some bullshit god, no matter what color that bullshit god is. You want to talk about fear? The problem is definitely fear. Unless we get people's beliefs out of the dark ages, we're doomed to move back into them.

Motors for President. Write me in, yo.



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I have faith in God, but I gotta agree with you on this. I'd sooner have an atheist as prez than some religious nut, whether it's a mormon, muslim or scientologist.

Sally...you don't know me or where I'm coming from, so shut the hell up about my motives until you do. Putz.
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Postby KYYX4ever » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:39 am

Romney would never win in a general race for president.
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Postby enzfan » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:33 am

So Obama is full of shit just like all the other candidates. I had no reason to vote for him before or after reading this.

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</center>Obama unable to put his hand over his heart as the National Anthem is played at Tom Harkin's steak fry. Bill Richardson, Hillary, and Ruth Harkin seem to understand the concept. How about showing a little respect regardless if you mean it or not. This photo ran in the 10/01/07 issue of Time.
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Postby Frau_Blucher » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:49 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by KYYX4ever[/i]
<br>*sighs*
another dumb cut
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For a second, I could swear you were saying "another dumb cunt". LOL.
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