Van Jones

[enzfan]

Another person with questionable ties that has the president's ear.

[SallyLightfoot]

Is there something specific you want to raise about Van Jones, or is this just a generic public service message? At least provide the standard link to a WorldNetDaily "article" or some recent batshit Glen Beck diatribe on Youtube.

[Frau_Blucher]

None of this matters. It's a well known fact that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as "The Pentavirate", who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as..."The Meadows."

[enzfan]

Nothing specific just questionable ties......

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</center> Thanks for the set up.[:D]

[ghosty]

[quote][i]Originally posted by enzfan[/i]
<br>Nothing specific just questionable ties......

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</center> Thanks for the set up.[:D]
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Wankfestus interruptus!

[SallyLightfoot]

I agree with Time's Joe Klein on the scary trajectory of political discourse:

<a href="http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/03/it-gets-worse/">[b]It Gets Worse[/b]</a>
<blockquote>"Could I just say that the intensity of this getting pretty scary...and dangerous? We are heading toward a cliff and the usual brakes of civil discourse are not working. Indeed, the Republicans have the pedal to the metal--[b]rushing us toward a tragedy[/b] far greater than the California health care forum finger-biting. I'm usually not one to panic or be overly worried about the state of our country--even when we do awful things like invade Iraq and torture people, we usually right our course before long--but I have a sinking feeling about where we're headed now. I hope I'm wrong."</blockquote>What Joe hints at but doesn't say is what Dan Savage had the balls to say on TV the other night:<blockquote>"I really do think that the Michelle Bachmanns of the world and the Glenn Becks of the world are actively and consciously or subconsciously just trying to get-- [b]I'm just going to say it-- trying to get the President killed[/b]... This kind of rhetoric, this paranoid style of the religious right from you know, Birchers to birthers doesn't usually end well and somebody’s got to put the brakes on it."</blockquote>Right wingers are ratcheting up the rhetoric and fomenting blind rage against the government. If Obama or any member of the administration or Congress eats a bullet, it'll be in part due to some wretched birther's diet of right-wing/religious hate speech.

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
If Obama or any member of the administration or Congress eats a bullet, it'll be in part due to some wretched birther's diet of right-wing/[b]religious[/b] hate speech.
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[:D] To think that religion could finally contribute something positive ...

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
If Obama or any member of the administration or Congress eats a bullet, it'll be in part due to some wretched birther's diet of right-wing/[b]religious[/b] hate speech.[/quote][:D] To think that religion could finally contribute something positive ...[/quote]Yeah, hilarious. Assassinating the prez or govt officials could lead to a long-term breakdown of our government and sew the seeds of a civil war. Say goodbye to our envied representational democracy, the shining city on a hill and the rest of our mythology. And all because the extremist factions, religious nuts and ideological crybabies couldn't cope with a democrat in the white house. A good blood-letting will do wonders to cure a sick nation.

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]

Yeah, hilarious. Assassinating the prez or govt officials could lead to a long-term breakdown of our government and sew the seeds of a civil war. Say goodbye to our envied representational democracy, the shining city on a hill and the rest of our mythology. And all because the extremist factions, religious nuts and ideological crybabies couldn't cope with a democrat in the white house. A good blood-letting will do wonders to cure a sick nation.
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Haha, I see you're off your meds again.

Overreact much? They'd have a funeral, make a huge deal out of it, deify the incompetent scumbag and we'd probably get a new federal holiday. There would be riots but the animals would be quickly squashed. Then it's right back to business as usual ... except better. Big deal. Sometimes you need to tear a few things down before you can repair things. It would be like the John Lennon "assassination" ... the only negative would be having to hear about it constantly for a few weeks.

[SallyLightfoot]

Think this through-- take it slow-- I realize your head may be numb from you sitting on it all day. [:D]

If a Democratic politician is assassinated-- especially the president-- that would create an atmosphere of intimidation. Democrats could be marked just like abortion doctors. It would have a serious impact on all Democrats and moderates in terms of campaigning, making public appearances, caucusing as a political party, etc. That is not a functioning democracy-- it's what we chastise our foes for doing.

Killing a president or any political official for ideological reasons and armed intimidation is the antithesis of democracy. It is certainly not a step toward "repairing" anything. Read up on the Weimar Republic for some insight on the evolution of one-party rule.

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>Think this through-- take it slow-- I realize your head may be numb from you sitting on it all day. [:D]

If a Democratic politician is assassinated-- especially the president-- that would create an atmosphere of intimidation. Democrats could be marked just like abortion doctors. It would have a serious impact on all Democrats and moderates in terms of campaigning, making public appearances, caucusing as a political party, etc. That is not a functioning democracy-- it's what we chastise our foes for doing.

Killing a president or any political official for ideological reasons and armed intimidation is the antithesis of democracy. It is certainly not a step toward "repairing" anything. Read up on the Weimar Republic for some insight on the evolution of one-party rule.
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Blah Blah Blah and so fucking what? Democracy ... ESPECIALLY our version of it ... does not work. It's time to write it off as a failed experiment. For reasons unbeknownst to most of us here, you seem to consider yourself an intelligent person. Do you really NOT get this?

[SallyLightfoot]

Blah, blah, blah-- history is a parade of failed states, and you're ready to throw out the most successful democracy in history because of... wait for it... the lowest tax rates since the tax code was implemented? For you, our democracy is a failure-- because the govt is hindering your right to squander a greater % of your money on useless crap you don't need.

Exactly what type of utopian system do you expect to emerge from our failed democracy? And once all of the socialists/democrats and liberals have been silenced, the right-wing demagogues and theocrats will willingly bestow us a system which doesn't further consolidate their power and enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else? Talk about naive. While we're all tripping diamonds, I submit my order for a winged unicorn pony with friggin' lasers, that craps out gumdrops.

<img src="http://www.pony.wallpaper-studio.com/Pages/LunaStory.jpg" height="498" width="445">
<blockquote>"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
-- Winston Churchill</blockquote>

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
I submit my order for a winged unicorn pony with friggin' lasers, that craps gumdrops.


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This is without a doubt the most sensible thing you've ever posted on this site. Kudos.

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
For you, our democracy is a failure-- because the govt is hindering your right to squander a greater % of your money on useless crap you don't need.

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Sure, that's one of the reasons ... exactly why am I wrong for feeling that way? It is, after all, MY money ... which I bust my ass to earn. Who are you (or the government)to tell me that anything I choose to spend it on is "useless crap I don't need". The only "useless crap I don't need" is all the trash I am FORCED to subsidize through all of your beloved handouts. A group which it is becoming more and more apparent that you are a part of. I've got you pegged as some 400 lb. guy on disability with an addiction to pain pills ... am I right? I can't think of any other explanation for your particular brand of lunacy.

[SallyLightfoot]

I suspected that you're more comfortable with fantasy-world concepts, but I didn't expect you to outright confirm it.