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Postby schwenko » Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:44 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by Ollie Stench[/i]
<br>Killing Joke sued Nirvana (and won) for ripping off "Eighties"
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Which Nirvana song was it?
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Postby Frank_Chickens » Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:57 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]

Which Nirvana song was it?
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Postby Spaz » Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:21 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by Ollie Stench[/i]
<br>C'est Plan Por Moi and Jet Boy Jet Girl


These tracks use the exact same backing track, but the vocals and lyrics are different.
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Postby DevoManiac101 » Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:31 am

Being a big Bobby Orlando fan I will be able to fill you in on everything you mentioned aboved.

Divine had a song called Love Reaction which was identical to New Order's Blue Monday track.

AS for Flirts ripping off Laura Branigan I belive that is false, listen to anything "O" has produced and it's the same throughout each artist he has delt with

Girly- Working Girl & Flirts - Helpless
New York Models - Love On Video & Bobby O - How To Pick Up Girls
Barbi & The Kens - Falling In Love With Myself
Oh Romeo - These Memories
Tony Baxter - Screamin'
Bobby P and Claudja Barry - Whisper To A Scream
Divine - Shoot Your Shot
Malibu - Goin' Crusin'
One Two Three - Runaway
Bobby O - I Cry For You
Pet Shop Boys - One More Chance
Roni Griffith - Love Is The Drug

Thanks, Justin/DevoManiac101
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Postby schwenko » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:29 am

And just where does Blue Monday come from? (not necessarily "stolen")
from the discography at niagara.edu

Q: Where does the inspiration to Blue Monday come from?
A: In his book, "Manchester, England: The Story of the Pop Cult City", Dave Haslam says:

"Blue Monday was really influenced by four songs, he [Bernard Sumner] once told me. 'The arrangement came from 'Dirty talk', by Klein & MBO, the beat came from a track off a Donna Summer LP, there was a sample from 'Radioactivity' by Kraftwerk, and the general influence on the style of the song was Sylvester's '(You make me feel) Mighty real'"


Q: Where does the choir sound come from?
A: Most likely the choir sound on Blue Monday is the same as the sound on Kraftwerk's track "Uranium" (off the album "Radioactivity", 1975). Whether or not New Order sampled Uranium, or used the same sound that was included with the Emu Emulator, is not fully known. Kraftwerk used a Mellotron to create the sound.

p.s. Dirty Talk by Klein & MBO is included on the recently released Back to Mine (Pet Shop Boys) compilation
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Postby WolverineSyr » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:31 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by DevoManiac101[/i]
AS for Flirts ripping off Laura Branigan I belive that is false, listen to anything "O" has produced and it's the same throughout each artist he has delt with

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That's just what my ear hears.
I don't think Bobby O sucks - I really like a lot of his stuff. "I'm So Hot for You" is a classic.

I think I have a 12" of that Divine song. I'll have to find it. I read an article about Bobby, Divine, that song & New order a couple of weeks ago. I wish I could remember where I read it though!
Supposedly New Order wasn't upset over the copy and played Love Reaction a couple times live when Divine died.
That could be an urban legend in itself though. The internet wouldn't lie would it? [;)]
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Postby dearly beloved » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:05 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by Ollie Stench[/i]
<br>Killing Joke sued Nirvana (and won) for ripping off "Eighties"
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True. and how funny/ironic is that Dave Grohl played drums on the latest Killing Joke album?

also: XXX, I'm pretty sure that Soho's Hippy Chick sampled/looped the How Soon Is Now riff. In some circles, just as odious as an uncredited rip-off.
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Postby design_femme » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:19 pm

[quote][i]Originally posted by dearly beloved[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Ollie Stench[/i]
<br>Killing Joke sued Nirvana (and won) for ripping off "Eighties"
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True. and how funny/ironic is that Dave Grohl played drums on the latest Killing Joke album?
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I thought Killing Joke dropped the lawsuit after Kurt Cobain committed suicide. Jaz felt bad about the band's tragedy. Maybe having Grohl play on their last album is his way of saying, "You're our bitch now!"
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Postby enzfan » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:43 pm

Harold Faltermyer "Axel Foley's Theme" and Yaz's "Situation" sound somewhat similar
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Postby i_like_lectric_motors » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:17 pm

Nirvana (again)- the guitar riff from Smells Like Teen Spirit is more than a little similar to Boston's More Than A Feeling.

And I don't know who ripped off who but compare Aldo Nova's "Fantasy" and Jefferson Starship's "Jane".
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Postby rewind » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:44 am

Northside's "Take 5" riff was a "tribute" to Boston's "More Than A Feeling."

Joe Jackson's "Pretty Girls" is lovingly reminscent of Manfred Mann's "Do Wah Diddy Diddy."

By the way, Soho's sampling of "How Soon..." is credited and compensated for.
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Postby ghosty » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:20 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by design_femme[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by dearly beloved[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Ollie Stench[/i]
<br>Killing Joke sued Nirvana (and won) for ripping off "Eighties"
[/quote]

True. and how funny/ironic is that Dave Grohl played drums on the latest Killing Joke album?
[/quote]

I thought Killing Joke dropped the lawsuit after Kurt Cobain committed suicide. Jaz felt bad about the band's tragedy. Maybe having Grohl play on their last album is his way of saying, "You're our bitch now!"
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True: Nirvana ripped off "Eighties".

False: Killing Joke sued Nirvana.

Killing Joke never sued Nirvana for copping the riff in "Eighties". This has turned into an urban myth unfortunately. Some 90's music websites and messageboards have the story the other way around with Killing Joke sueing Nirvana and Nirvana winning the case. Neither is true. Cobain, however, was worried they would sue and the band freely admitted to "borrowing" the riff, which must've satisfied Killing Joke to some degree, but they never pursued a lawsuit. According to a recent Rolling Stone article Grohl and Killing Joke had a laugh about the similarities when he guested on their reunion CD.

That's not to say they should'nt have, as they could've won a case easily.

Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" has an awful lot in common with Boston's "More Than A Feeling" but the signature riff in BOTH songs is a direct steal from that old warhorse that EVERYBODY rips off..."Louie Louie".
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Postby SomebodySomewhere » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:46 pm

Another blatant one I just remembered...

Jet - "Look What You've Done" / The Beatles - "Sexy Sadie"

So shameless, I bet Oasis are kicking themselves for not coming up with it first.
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Postby wiota » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:41 pm

The Offspring have been involved in a couple of "thefts". First was the cover of the guitar riff from Agent Orange's "Bloodstains" on the Offspring’s "Come Out and Play" (see: http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/00/52/music-kane.php )and the other was a direct steal of the entire vibe of the Beatles "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" on "Why Don't You Get A Job". What I found hilarious was that when Dexter Holland was asked about the resemblance he took offense!

Actually as a musician, I have seen more than my share of "rip-offs" in studio sessions. There was one very talented studio guitarist who came up with, what he thought, was a great opening for the song he was playing on, but it was actually the piano opening of Bruce Springsteen's "Something In The Night" but played perfectly on guitar. He was not pleased when I pointed it out to him and he didn't believe me until I played the song for him. And they still decided to use the part!

Another time a young guitarist played the intro to the Sex Pistols "God Save The Queen" as another song intro part (again perfectly) , but when I pointed out the problem, he admitted that he was not familiar with the Pistols. Happily, they changed his part.

I guess the point is that a lot of musicians, even pros, are oblivious and incapable of recognizing other people’s riffs and most of the times the producers aren't much better. I attribute most "steals" to ignorance. They aren't really fans of other artist's music; they are self involved and self centered and they think they are above subliminal influence.
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Postby Frank_Chickens » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:27 am

Another Oasis steal is "Shakermaker" which is a direct copy of "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing".
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