When did New Wave DIE?

[avcool4u]

Holy long thread batman.
My 2 cents.
1986.
By then, people had figured out everything, who they were going to follow, etc. There were some survivors, and some still continue.
After about 1983-84, New Wave wasn't NEW anymore. But the further development of many distinct styles continued on through the 80's decade. There's tons of great music that came out in the second half of the decade. A lot of it is dear to us all because we had set our musical roots into what had happened earlier.
The Cure will never put out another Head on the Door,
Us never another Boy and Depeche Mode never another Some Great Reward. But we're still waiting.

-Tobes
Check out my new wave cover band in Western New York:
www.roar84.com

[hutter]

For myself, New Wave ended with the release of Kraftwerk's The Mix. New Wave's decline was already long in process, but hearing Kraftwerk remake their songs for the techno dance crowd was the final nail in the coffin (it's still a good album-but so damn unneccessary)

[fanciz]

First of all I would agree with Michael, the term "die" is totally inappropriate on this board. The question should have been: When did new wave lose its dominance? Because if New wave has died what are we doing here? Cleaning the tombstones? The point is and it was mentioned already, some New wave artists are still releasing materials, DM, New Order, The Cure, Morrissey etc. Secondly, there has never been so many reissues of New wave albums than in those recent years, as if some guys in the record industry would suddenly realize the mistakes they have done in the past...Finally our main divergence is that we don't have the same conception of New wave. In Manila, Blondie, Devo, The Cars, Talking Heads are not new Wave! They are post-punk pop bands repackaged as new wave for commercial purposes, therefore they were given very limited airtime by local NW stations. The stalwarts here are Joy Division, The Cure, The Smiths even if they are referred to as Indie by some quarters, DM, New Order, Fra Lippo Lippi plus a list of at least 300 bands including the gentle NW like The Wild Swans, The Colourfield, the Railway Children, the Bible, the Pale Fountains and The Power New Wave led by X'Mal Deutschland, The Cult, Siouxsie and The Banshees, Sisters Of Mercy, Mission UK, The Waterboys etc. Frankly we never bothered to tag those bands as Goths or whatever, they were New Wave and that's it. I must say that we didn't have your problems of trying to figure out which bands were NW, the list was established by the mythic radio stations XB102 and BM105 and we all agreed. Actually it's kind of easy if one has developed the feel, for example The Stones Roses and The Sundays are new wave, even if they belong to the late 80's. So, if the question is when NW has lost its dominance, I would say 91 as far as the Philippines is concerned.[;)]

[st arry]

[quote][i]Originally posted by xtc-1957[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by newwavepopman[/i]
<br>I voted on the year 1991 because right after 1991 MTV stopped showing music videos by artists that were still recording New Wave music,and also because that was the year that most radio stations that had a 24 hour New Wave format such as WLIR-WDRE completely changed their format to what I call the worst piece of music in the history of rock and roll,that being Grunge and Alternative.Right before 1992 ended,I stopped hearing alot of synthpop and started hearing more and more of those noise Grunge and Alternative acts on the radio like Nirvana,and whoever else was starting to make an impact back at that time.

After then music was just never the same again.
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For me....New Wave was from 1976 to 1982. Still some good stuff in '83 - '84, but primarily died in '82.
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Personally I don't like putting 70s music in New Wave. It has, generally, a completely different sound. It's like saying that anything that isn't disco is New Wave. Certainly the late 70s is a good period in American music, but for me the real drive in New Wave came from Britain near the start of the 80s. Putting anything previous to that is like trying to read history backwards.

[fanciz]

I would agree, 70's and 80's music don't share the same bed even if a few 80's bands may have started rehearsals in the late 70's![:D]

[suttonrecords]

Fanciz, your post put a smile on my face. You and Rubbeet share my background. I remember when Rhino released the "Just Can't Get Enough: New Wave Hits of the '80s" series of CDs and how shocked and disappointed I was by much of its contents. Perhaps I was naive in those days, but I was expecting songs such as the Adventures' "Two Rivers" or the Lotus Eaters' "The First Picture of You" or Care's "Whatever Possessed You" on there. Where I am from, those were the New Wave hits and not the Bangles or even Blondie, for that matter. Compare the U.S.-programmed "Just Can't Get Enough" to the just released "New Wave Essentials" compilation CD from Warner Music Philippines:

"New Wave Essentials" (Warner Music Philippines - 2005)

WILD SWANS - BRINGING HOME THE ASHES
LOTUS EATERS - GERMAN GIRL
ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN - KILLING MOON
AZTEC CAMERA - WALK OUT TO WINTER
NEW ORDER - DREAMS NEVER END
THE SMITHS - PANIC
CHAMELEONS UK - TEARS
BOOK OF LOVE - I TOUCH ROSES
MIGHTY LEMON DROPS - OUT OF HAND
STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE - SINCE YESTERDAY
THE ROOM - NEW DREAMS FOR OLD
SOUP DRAGONS - SOFT AS YOUR FACE
SISTERS OF MERCY - THIS CORROSION
THE CALL - EVERYWHERE I GO
ADVENTURES - BROKEN LAND
JESUS AND MARY CHAIN - JUST LIKE HONEY

Now that's the New Wave I know and love! Those were the hits that I remember from the New Wave radio stations over there. A lot of the stuff that I hear on Music Choice's (supposedly New Wave) Retro-Active channel, like the Producers, Wham!, or Cyndi Lauper, has me scratching my head although I give them credit for the Bolshoi and the Sound.

But there were so many great New Wave hits from the late '80s -- the Railway Children's "Over and Over," Fra Lippo Lippi's "Angel," Balaam & the Angel's "Light of the World," the Fountainhead's "Someone Like You," the Housemartins' "The People Who Grinned Themselves to Death," nearly every cut from the Wild Swans' masterpiece "Bringing Home the Ashes" -- that I feel the genre merely got better in that period instead of fading away.

It just depends on where you lived, I guess.

Fanciz, when you have time check out the return of XB-102 with the original DJs broadcasting at:

http://www.wxb102forever.com

I'm not sure if you tuned in yet but I know Rubbeet's been logging in hours, ha ha ha!!! Cool Carla and Mick Flame (Mickey the Clown) are back and the Morning Man is due to return soon. Vintage 102 music only. Merry Christmas to all!

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[suttonrecords]

Fanciz, you have an actual BM-105 playlist? Can you post that? Or e-mail it to me?

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[fanciz]

Yeps New Wave Essentials is a very good compilation, representative of what we like in the Philippines. On one side the Gentle New Wave and on the other side the Power New Wave. I grabbed it immediately in spite of the fact that I have all those songs except for New Dreams For Old,The Room. Actually I ordered 2 albums of that band and at least one has already arrived in Manila, I will get it in a few days.
Recently EMI has released the Vol2 of Can't Get Enough of the 80's, not too bad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BF ... nce&n=5174
Now regarding the difference of opinion between the Manila's school and the US based dudes, I think it was just a question of exposure to the right stations, the right magazines, like Jingle's which did all the research for us. Those guys were fantastic, they played the best bands, the best tracks of the albums and this has considerably eased our task of collecting New Wave artists. So, I think we should just be thankful to have been at the right place, at the right time...Had we been based in the States, who knows, we might just be genuinely convinced that Madonna is a New Wave artist....But well, we are all New Wavers, one way or another, and I believe that by keeping an open mind, by exchanging information , we will be able to reduce our difference of opinion...
PS: Yeps, I have the BM 105 Playlist and in a few more months I will be able to complete their entire library but I don't think I can post it here, it's 15 page long, double columns.
PS2: Actually, I watched your launching Of XB102 at Gweilo's, Libis, got the Pin Up Girls CD. Scarlet Tears performed and if you can help that band, do it coz they are really good and they are .... my friends eheheheh

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by fanciz[/i]
<br>Yeps New Wave Essentials is a very good compilation, representative of what we like in the Philippines. On one side the Gentle New Wave and on the other side the Power New Wave. I grabbed it immediately in spite of the fact that I have all those songs except for New Dreams For Old,The Room. Actually I ordered 2 albums of that band and at least one has already arrived in Manila, I will get it in a few days.
Recently EMI has released the Vol2 of Can't Get Enough of the 80's, not too bad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BF ... nce&n=5174
Now regarding the difference of opinion between the Manila's school and the US based dudes, I think it was just a question of exposure to the right stations, the right magazines, like Jingle's which did all the research for us. Those guys were fantastic, they played the best bands, the best tracks of the albums and this has considerably eased our task of collecting New Wave artists. So, I think we should just be thankful to have been at the right place, at the right time...Had we been based in the States, who knows, we might just be genuinely convinced that Madonna is a New Wave artist....But well, we are all New Wavers, one way or another, and I believe that by keeping an open mind, by exchanging information , we will be able to reduce our difference of opinion...
PS: Yeps, I have the BM 105 Playlist and in a few more months I will be able to complete their entire library but I don't think I can post it here, it's 15 page long, double columns.
PS2: Actually, I watched your launching Of XB102 at Gweilo's, Libis, got the Pin Up Girls CD. Scarlet Tears performed and if you can help that band, do it coz they are really good and they are .... my friends eheheheh
[/quote]

Fanciz, Merry Christmas to you. Can you e-mail me that BM-105 playlist at xb102music@yahoo.com? In return, I'll send you the playlist that I have from them. Do you have any Manila radio broadcasts from the '80s? We could trade as I have quite a few.

Yes, I have Scarlet Tears' excellent EP; they remind me of the Identity Crisis, the March Violets, the Bel-Fires, Xmal Deutschland, and Siouxsie & the Banshees. I did e-mail them but they're not interested in working with a record label.

Hey, that '80s compilation has an excellent track listing! I wish the American version of "Just Can't Get Enough" was as strong as that.

Right place at the right time, yes. When I moved back here I went through New Wave culture shock because none of the record stores or DJs had heard of the Pale Fountains, Xmal Deutschland, Friends Again, the Lotus Eaters, Orange Juice, Fra Lippo Lippi, Care, etc., all very familiar to us.

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[tha_farfetch]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Randall Roq[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by st arry[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by SwampThing[/i]
<br>[quote]...For every decent song like Shattered Dreams..[/quote] I have just one thing to say: "WTF"?
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I bet you like it really. [:D] Very catchy motif runs through it, good confident vocal, punchy chorus, nice harmonic change at 'I thought it was you', and nice falsetto lift at the end of the chorus. Probably the only decent single they did, but well constructed song in an effective production. Didn't actually know it at the time - as I said I'd gone off pop music, but it's not bad. Worth hearing now and again.
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I just noticed this post.

Sometimes I don't know if you are serious or not! You said before a video like Sledgehammer is overrated and then on this post you're praising a piece of crap like Shattered Dreams?!? Dude what is up with you?!

I listen to a lot of garbage but even I could never defend this tripe nor would I want to.

"Very catchy motif..." you can't be serious?! It was one of the worst pieces of dreck to float down the river since the Worst Dreck Down The River Competition. How the holy hell can you defend a piece of shit like that. Johnny Hates Jazz, Breakfast Club and the like were as far as I'm concerned the final nail in the New Wave coffin.

If you're trying to get a rise out of me, it worked.

Is it easy typing with a straitjacket on?
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"Shattered Dreams", what a fantastic song ! Everytime i listen to it i can't focus on anything but the song, it's a masterpiece. I also love "Turn Back The Clock" and "I Don't Want to be a Hero". Those three were hits of the trio over here.
I know that Clark Datchler then went solo and performed a decent song called "I Don't Want You !" and finally with the band "Medicine Wheel", "The Last Emotion", the one i consider his second best song ever.
The best New Wave comes from The Great Britain, i have always thought that.
Regarding the end of New Wave, it lived till 1990 on this part of Latin America, exactly when rap started and MTV played the MC Hammer video "U Can't Touch This".
Local radio stations refused to play the rap and we listened to great New Wave bands in spanish that came from Argentina, Chile and Spain, Soda Stereo, Prisioneros, Duncan Dhu, etc.
Fortunately, (but without MTV promotion), some fantastic bands emerged and played a similar kind of music, The Ocean Blue, Camouflage, etc and i think New Wave is the best influence for every band that wants to play good nowadays.

FarFetch.