New Wave Stock Aitken Waterman Artists

[skinnytie]

My, this thread has certainly turned into something totally different than what it started out to be! Anyway, my two cents: There were artists back in the day when new wave was truly new wave, trying to jump on the bandwagaon, such as the Village People, Linda Ronstadt, and Paul McCartney. There were also other artists at the time, known for rock music, that tried their hand at disco. It didn't turn either into new wave stars or disco stars. Since she's become the focus of the conversation, Kylie Minogue to me is just dance/pop, that's all. So she does a Pet Shop Boys song; she probably likes the song enough to cover it, it fits the style of music that she makes, and her fans might like it, but it doesn't make her new wave. Steve Lawrence and Johnny Cash didn't become grunge because of a song or two they've each covered. The fact that WLIR played Santana and Bon Jovi in their later days didn't make those artists "alternative" to me. Like schwenko said here before, it's a certain time, style, and attitude. Kylie just doesn't have it to fit the term. It's like saying Debbie Gibson was new wave; after all, she had the synths and the look. It doesn't cut it with me. And there are a tremendous amounts of threads here that will debate if other artists were new wave or not. It all makes interesting debate to me, but if you were in my crowd in the '80's, and said Kylie was part of the new wave music scene, we would have laughed you out of town.

[beatschool]

[quote]Originally posted by newwavepopman

If early Madonna can be called New Wave then why can't Kylie be called New wave too,after all Kylie has been compared to Madonna.I don't see the comparison really,other than the fact that Kylie is just as huge and as big all over Europe like Madonna is here in the states.
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I can say that I have never heard of Madonna being referred to as "New Wave". Of course she got her start in the early 80s, but her music was generally a combination of NY club music, blue-eyed soul, and pop. Her songs did feature synths, but that alone cannot qualify you as New Wave.

Sorry to keep nitpicking, but I never heard a Madonna song on our local New Wave or college stations. My group of friends (largely punks or wavers) had a chant we would break into when we saw a Madonna-wannabe - "I wanna, I wanna, I wanna be Madonna!".

I can see why one would classify some SAW artists as New Wave, but it seems to be wrong to me. SAW existed to make hits, not unique music. They were sort of like the hit-making machines that are currently favored by Britney, Justin, etc. A group like Bananarama that had a few early records that could qualify them as New Wave could change their sound slightly and no longer be New Wave artists. Listen to the difference between "Really Sayin Something" and "Venus" and try to tell me Bananarama remained "New Wave". SAW created a shared sound that made the artists they produced seem generic, not the innovative, vast, diverse sound of what made New Wave such an amazing movement.

[skinnytie]

WLIR would play early Madonna; I remember them playing "Over and Over" from the "Like a Virgin" album when it was first released. I would consider, at the beginning, Madonna as being one of those artists who could be questioned as to being new wave or not. By the time her 3rd album came out, she was definitely not new wave as far as her music went, but I would have to say that she certainly does have new wave attitude about her.
Also, wasn't she in the band "The Breakfast Club"?

[fritzb]

I always thought Madonna's "Over And Over" was very New Wavish too.

And yes, Madonna was in the Breakfast Club before she went solo.

[wallofboingo]

Wait a minute, newwavepopman. You say that one of the reasons Kylie Minogue is new wave is because she did a song with a band (Pet Shop Boys) that may be "considered" new wave? Faith No More did a song with Sparks, does that mean they are part of the same genre of music? No.

[thefxc]

To return (belatedly) to the original point of this thread: Debbie Harry's single version of "In Love With Love" was produced by SAW. Should anyone doubt SAW's talent for producing ear candy, compare this lively single version with the limp, soporific Seth Justman-produced original on _Rockbird_.

Re: Kylie--she's taken some noble risks with her career, notably in the early-to-mid 90s, when she acrimoniously broke from SAW and took more control over her music; she recorded with the likes of Nick Cave and Manic Street Preachers and was dubbed, somewhat mockingly, "Indie Kylie". However, to call her new wave is a grave misappropriation of the term.

[thefxc]

One more SAW production: E.G. Daily's "Mind Over Matter." We can legitimately debate whether Daily is "new wave" properly so-called, but she appeared in 80s film milestone _Valley Girl_. Make of that what you will.

[skinnytie]

E. G. Daily, as in Tommy from "The Rugrats", had an album? oh my!

[thefxc]

[quote]Originally posted by skinnytie
[br]E. G. Daily, as in Tommy from "The Rugrats", had an album? oh my!
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2 albums, at least.

She was also, of course, Pee Wee Herman's girlfriend in _Pee Wee's Big Adventure_ and, I believe, she also voices famed cinematic swine Babe.

[toe_jam_on_toast]

Sinitta once went out with Brad Pitt....hmmm

[newwavepopman]

Well to me the song Burning Up by Madonna from her very first album I would consider as New Wave.Even WLIR played that in heavy roatation at the time back in the day,and they were always known as the station that dared to be different.

Would the term New Music or Modern Rock better be used when descrbing later Kylie's songs instead of New Wave? I mean mid 90's to the present,not in her 80's period as such.

[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by newwavepopman[/i]
<br>Well to me the song Burning Up by Madonna from her very first album I would consider as New Wave.Even WLIR played that in heavy roatation at the time back in the day,and they were always known as the station that dared to be different.
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I believe that was a marketing tag line rather than an absolute statement of fact. You know, like how Bush is the education president or "The Decider", etc.
[quote][i]Originally posted by newwavepopman[/i]
<br>Would the term New Music or Modern Rock better be used when descrbing later Kylie's songs instead of New Wave? I mean mid 90's to the present,not in her 80's period as such.
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I don't hear anything that would distinguish her from any other pedestrian "Top 40" or "Pop Tart" act.

[skinnytie]

[quote][i]Originally posted by newwavepopman[/i]
<br>Well to me the song Burning Up by Madonna from her very first album I would consider as New Wave.Even WLIR played that in heavy roatation at the time back in the day,and they were always known as the station that dared to be different.

Would the term New Music or Modern Rock better be used when descrbing later Kylie's songs instead of New Wave? I mean mid 90's to the present,not in her 80's period as such.
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When I first saw that this thread was back, I thought randy had resurrected it for the new blood among us. But no, it was newwavepopman responding to it without missing a beat 25 months after its last post! Great stuff! My goodness, think of all the things we've done in the past 2 years, only to be brought right back here again! All I know is that during that time, Kylie Minogue is still NOT new wave, Bananarama released a decent techno/dance/pop record with Drama, and Madonna should only adopt kids from parents who actually want her as a mother for them. 'Nuff said! [:D]

[newwavepopman]

Since this time in 2004 Kylie has changed her style of music on all of her CD's,and has even become even more Synthpop since 2004.She is most definately New Wave these days.The singer LaRoux has followed in Kylie's footsteps.LaRoux even has that Punky/New Wave hairdoo to match her music.


[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]
<br>[quote]Originally posted by newwavepopman
[br]Wrong every one of the SAW artists I listed were all New Wave which included,Kylie,Sinitta,Dollar,The Dolly Dots,and Hazell Dean.They all had that Synthpop New Wave sound,some were more New Wave than others,but were still New Wave.Plus the fact that Kylie is even more New Wave now and in the late 90's even more than she was in the 80's.
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Kylie Minogue is not (and never was new wave). Just because she does one or two songs in a synthpop/technopop style doesn't make her new wave. Locomotion was new wave? I don't think so. You are not going to win this argument[:I]
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[budaniel]

E.G. Daily had a good run of songs on soundtracks in the 80s, and her collaborations with Giorgio Moroder using the "together in electric dreams" sound really gave her, if not a new wave sound, a definite early 80s synthdance sound. Check out the songs on the Scarface soundtrack and Love in the Shadows from the Thief of Hearts soundtrack (although I prefer the alternate recording of the song that was later featured on her Wild Child album, particularly the 8 minute 12" version). She actually also sang background on the Moroder/Oakey album (she is most clearly noticeable on Be My Lover Now). Mind Over Matter was Dead or Alive-esque hardcore High NRG produced by SAW, and she also had two rock-oriented tracks on the Better Off Dead soundtrack. Her final album at the very end of the 80s was more pop rock. I'm still waiting for Wild Child to finally see the light of day on CD though.