[quote][i]Originally posted by oneno[/i]
<br>Hey waukeena SCREW YOU AND THIS PLACE!
Go ahead and get your jolly's by spreading your God hating opinion's and pushing your left wing agenda. So long NWO, It's been real. but it used to be better.[/quote]
Wait a sec - hold the phone. What exactly is going on here? Who's saying what? I never read anything malevolent in your post and you've always been a harmless member here. In all fairness, it seems like you've been railroaded into an opinion you don't have.
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by Frau_Blucher » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:45 pm
Marv, I think the statement below was what's so incensing to some people, religious or no...
[quote][i]Originally posted by oneno[/i]
<br>hm-m-m letsee, being raised without a father playing mindless violent video games while listening to hate filled violent inner city rap forced to go to school with God taken out of the equation, now tell me you never saw this coming.
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This guy wasn't raised without a father. I haven't read yet that he was avidly into violent video games. He certainly doesn't seem like a big inner city rap fan. And if he's in the majority of Korean immigrants, God may actually be a pretty big part of his equation. Oneno is taking a pretty fucked-up situation and belittling it by trying to put his own spin and agenda on it. It's pretty disrepectful. I'd be offended if I was religious as well as not.
[quote][i]Originally posted by oneno[/i]
<br>hm-m-m letsee, being raised without a father playing mindless violent video games while listening to hate filled violent inner city rap forced to go to school with God taken out of the equation, now tell me you never saw this coming.
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This guy wasn't raised without a father. I haven't read yet that he was avidly into violent video games. He certainly doesn't seem like a big inner city rap fan. And if he's in the majority of Korean immigrants, God may actually be a pretty big part of his equation. Oneno is taking a pretty fucked-up situation and belittling it by trying to put his own spin and agenda on it. It's pretty disrepectful. I'd be offended if I was religious as well as not.
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by MARV » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:55 pm
It seemed to me more like he was making a blanket statement about how society has changed and correlated it to the way crime - gun violence - has changed as well. This sort of talk isn't new. I didn't read it as an accusation. It didn't seem to me like he was talking about this shooter in particular.
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by Frau_Blucher » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:59 pm
And here's another objectionable comment...
[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
<br>Well, that post by the AAJA (is that right?) certainly seems knee jerk to me. I haven't heard anyone say anything about race yet. [/quote]
It's not really up to faux-liberal, narrow-minded and self-ignorant white people to say if something like this is knee-jerk or not. After his ethnicity was revealed, I recall that being consistently used as THE lead identifier of the psycho, rather than say the fact that he was, um, psycho. I think it's undeniable that citizens - or permanent residents, whatever - of Asian, Hispanic, Arabic, etc decent are consciously or subconsciously viewed as distinctly less [i]American[/i] than the typical black/white definitions. If that's constantly and conspicuously spelled out, I think it's a legitimate sensitivity when attached to a heinous act like this. To call it knee-jerk is like blowing off a woman as being "too sensitive" about remarks she perceives to be harassing.
[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
<br>Well, that post by the AAJA (is that right?) certainly seems knee jerk to me. I haven't heard anyone say anything about race yet. [/quote]
It's not really up to faux-liberal, narrow-minded and self-ignorant white people to say if something like this is knee-jerk or not. After his ethnicity was revealed, I recall that being consistently used as THE lead identifier of the psycho, rather than say the fact that he was, um, psycho. I think it's undeniable that citizens - or permanent residents, whatever - of Asian, Hispanic, Arabic, etc decent are consciously or subconsciously viewed as distinctly less [i]American[/i] than the typical black/white definitions. If that's constantly and conspicuously spelled out, I think it's a legitimate sensitivity when attached to a heinous act like this. To call it knee-jerk is like blowing off a woman as being "too sensitive" about remarks she perceives to be harassing.
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by tiger_mn » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:11 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by waukena[/i]
What happened in Va. is more of a disgrace on a society that condones gun usage and racism rather than some college kid from who gives a shit where...
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Oh, great. Let's blame the gun for this tragedy.
And if you are going to toss in the race card, I hope it's from the right pocket. This kid, as fucked-up as he was, wrote some pretty messed up stuff about "killing all the rich white kids."
I think his anger was misplaced; he should have gone to Duke if he was looking for rich white kids.
What happened in Va. is more of a disgrace on a society that condones gun usage and racism rather than some college kid from who gives a shit where...
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Oh, great. Let's blame the gun for this tragedy.
And if you are going to toss in the race card, I hope it's from the right pocket. This kid, as fucked-up as he was, wrote some pretty messed up stuff about "killing all the rich white kids."
I think his anger was misplaced; he should have gone to Duke if he was looking for rich white kids.
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by shovelbum » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:14 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
To call it knee-jerk is like blowing off a woman as being "too sensitive" about remarks she perceives to be harassing.
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Certainly I wasn't criticizing the AAJA; in fact I agree with another poster (was that Marv?) who said that this type of thing is pretty typical in todays PC society. The only reason I suggested it's being knee jerk is that I havent' heard any smear campaigns yet about Cho's being Asian. Most likely the AAJA is just being pro-active.
So, are Asians in your "good" book and AAs in your "bad" book, or do you just get your rocks off by being against anything I say? [;)]
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.
To call it knee-jerk is like blowing off a woman as being "too sensitive" about remarks she perceives to be harassing.
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Certainly I wasn't criticizing the AAJA; in fact I agree with another poster (was that Marv?) who said that this type of thing is pretty typical in todays PC society. The only reason I suggested it's being knee jerk is that I havent' heard any smear campaigns yet about Cho's being Asian. Most likely the AAJA is just being pro-active.
So, are Asians in your "good" book and AAs in your "bad" book, or do you just get your rocks off by being against anything I say? [;)]
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.
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by shovelbum » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:18 am
Oh, and by the by: another "lead identifier" of this kid was the fact that he grew up in a "townhouse outside of Wa. DC". Wtf does his having grown up in a townhouse have to do with anything?!
It's pretty rare to get info about what type of house a murderer/psychopath grew up in. Just goes to show how well the media spins.
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.
It's pretty rare to get info about what type of house a murderer/psychopath grew up in. Just goes to show how well the media spins.
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die.
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by eight6 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:24 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
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<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
Does anyone have anything to say about this phenomenon?
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[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
Would anyone like to comment on THAT?
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Would [i]you[/i] like to comment on why you keep ending posts with these reply requests?
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It's elementary, my dear Watson: I truly want to know what others think about these issues. Duh. Hard to have a forum if no one talks about anything . . .
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Really...I've never had to ask for responses to posts. People seem more than willing to offer their opinions here. Perhaps it's just that up to now your posts have been unworthy of response. Adding the request tag line won't help poor post content. As you say...Duh.
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<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
Does anyone have anything to say about this phenomenon?
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[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
Would anyone like to comment on THAT?
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Would [i]you[/i] like to comment on why you keep ending posts with these reply requests?
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It's elementary, my dear Watson: I truly want to know what others think about these issues. Duh. Hard to have a forum if no one talks about anything . . .
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Really...I've never had to ask for responses to posts. People seem more than willing to offer their opinions here. Perhaps it's just that up to now your posts have been unworthy of response. Adding the request tag line won't help poor post content. As you say...Duh.
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by waukena » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:48 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by tiger_mn[/i]
Oh, great. Let's blame the gun for this tragedy.
And if you are going to toss in the race card, I hope it's from the right pocket. This kid, as fucked-up as he was, wrote some pretty messed up stuff about "killing all the rich white kids."
I think his anger was misplaced; he should have gone to Duke if he was looking for rich white kids.
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I only tossed the race card in there because of the way oneno wrote in his nonsense. I think this society is going bad due to the frequency of positive gun-as-brain situations. And the kid was on all sorts of meds and his teachers had gone to the dean multiple times with their concerns. At least he wasn't looking at Nambla dude...
And oneno, I never said quit the board, we get in each others faces all the time when we disagree here but that's kinda what we're supposed to do...if you want to quit, so be it. But don't say I ran you off because of what I wrote. I personally couldn't care less what you do. There's some big names here I'd go after before you if I just wanted to be a prick.
I just disagree with your philosophy and the racist way you painted the picture. You want to think like that, fine. It's your right. It's my right to call you on it.
We prey to different Gods dude. Mine appalls killing...200+ Iraqis got blown up today and the press gives them 30 seconds...that appals me too, ok?
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Oh, great. Let's blame the gun for this tragedy.
And if you are going to toss in the race card, I hope it's from the right pocket. This kid, as fucked-up as he was, wrote some pretty messed up stuff about "killing all the rich white kids."
I think his anger was misplaced; he should have gone to Duke if he was looking for rich white kids.
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I only tossed the race card in there because of the way oneno wrote in his nonsense. I think this society is going bad due to the frequency of positive gun-as-brain situations. And the kid was on all sorts of meds and his teachers had gone to the dean multiple times with their concerns. At least he wasn't looking at Nambla dude...
And oneno, I never said quit the board, we get in each others faces all the time when we disagree here but that's kinda what we're supposed to do...if you want to quit, so be it. But don't say I ran you off because of what I wrote. I personally couldn't care less what you do. There's some big names here I'd go after before you if I just wanted to be a prick.
I just disagree with your philosophy and the racist way you painted the picture. You want to think like that, fine. It's your right. It's my right to call you on it.
We prey to different Gods dude. Mine appalls killing...200+ Iraqis got blown up today and the press gives them 30 seconds...that appals me too, ok?
Peace
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by Frau_Blucher » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:53 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
<br>So, are Asians in your "good" book and AAs in your "bad" book, or do you just get your rocks off by being against anything I say? [;)]
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Huh, I guess didn't realize I was against everything you've said. You see, I tend to speak my mind against many things insipid and stupid, whether stated by friend or stranger. If you're saying that I'm speaking against everything that you've said, I guess the logical corollary can only be that it's all rather insipid and stupid. My apologies for that unwitting albeit congruent association.
<br>So, are Asians in your "good" book and AAs in your "bad" book, or do you just get your rocks off by being against anything I say? [;)]
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Huh, I guess didn't realize I was against everything you've said. You see, I tend to speak my mind against many things insipid and stupid, whether stated by friend or stranger. If you're saying that I'm speaking against everything that you've said, I guess the logical corollary can only be that it's all rather insipid and stupid. My apologies for that unwitting albeit congruent association.
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by newwavepunkgirl » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:14 am
Anyhow the kids' English teacher was on the news (actually her accent sounded English to me) and she said he was very intelligent but he wa awkward with ansering questions, didn't talk much, he also had a crush on a girl and that was the first one he killed. Sound slike he didn't have many friends and was abit of a loner. His teacher said he was lonely. Soudns like he spent too much ti,e aloen to me, it is quite sad whichever way you look at it.His teahcer said he will be missed alogn with the students he killed.At the colelge they knew he had problems and were concerned about him. Just thought I'd add that update of what I've heard.It is veyr sad that he went out and did what he did and didn't get the help he obviosuly needed...
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by waukena » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:21 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by oneno[/i]
<br>Hey waukeena SCREW YOU AND THIS PLACE!
Go ahead and get your jolly's by spreading your God hating opinion's and pushing your left wing agenda. So long NWO, It's been real. but it used to be better.[/quote]
Wait a sec - hold the phone. What exactly is going on here? Who's saying what? I never read anything malevolent in your post and you've always been a harmless member here. In all fairness, it seems like you've been railroaded into an opinion you don't have.
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Originally posted by oneno
hm-m-m letsee, being raised without a father playing mindless violent video games while listening to hate filled violent inner city rap forced to go to school with God taken out of the equation, now tell me you never saw this coming.
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Yup, you're right there, Marv...nothing malevolent or suggestively racist in that post...what was I thinking?????
Oh yeah, that's right, you know how much I love railroading people here...yup, that's me bud...should I continue, or will this post be deleted by then?
This thread started about a horrific event and I was insulted by that post. Last I looked it's my right to disagree...or it was once upon a time here, before wanting to use the delete button became so popular...
Just asking...have a nice day and cry for EVERYONE that's needlessly lost their life...you want to argue with me on the value of being alive? You'll lose, dude...have a nice day...
Sorry: had to make changes to my spelling...
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by oneno[/i]
<br>Hey waukeena SCREW YOU AND THIS PLACE!
Go ahead and get your jolly's by spreading your God hating opinion's and pushing your left wing agenda. So long NWO, It's been real. but it used to be better.[/quote]
Wait a sec - hold the phone. What exactly is going on here? Who's saying what? I never read anything malevolent in your post and you've always been a harmless member here. In all fairness, it seems like you've been railroaded into an opinion you don't have.
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Originally posted by oneno
hm-m-m letsee, being raised without a father playing mindless violent video games while listening to hate filled violent inner city rap forced to go to school with God taken out of the equation, now tell me you never saw this coming.
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Yup, you're right there, Marv...nothing malevolent or suggestively racist in that post...what was I thinking?????
Oh yeah, that's right, you know how much I love railroading people here...yup, that's me bud...should I continue, or will this post be deleted by then?
This thread started about a horrific event and I was insulted by that post. Last I looked it's my right to disagree...or it was once upon a time here, before wanting to use the delete button became so popular...
Just asking...have a nice day and cry for EVERYONE that's needlessly lost their life...you want to argue with me on the value of being alive? You'll lose, dude...have a nice day...
Sorry: had to make changes to my spelling...
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by tiger_mn » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:46 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by waukena[/i]
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Originally posted by oneno
hm-m-m letsee, being raised without a father playing mindless violent video games while listening to hate filled violent inner city rap forced to go to school with God taken out of the equation, now tell me you never saw this coming.
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Yup, you're right there, Marv...nothing malevolent or suggestively racist in that post...what was I thinking?????
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Now your saying oneno's God is malevolent and racist?
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Originally posted by oneno
hm-m-m letsee, being raised without a father playing mindless violent video games while listening to hate filled violent inner city rap forced to go to school with God taken out of the equation, now tell me you never saw this coming.
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Yup, you're right there, Marv...nothing malevolent or suggestively racist in that post...what was I thinking?????
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Now your saying oneno's God is malevolent and racist?
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by waukena » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:01 am
[quote][i]Originally posted by tiger_mn[/i]
Now your saying oneno's God is malevolent and racist?
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Not in the least...I'd never disrespect a person's higher power...but the Bible...which I've read multiple time btw, can be interpreted in many ways, and some choose to interpret it in a way which is hurtful to those whom they don't like. Gods aren't malevolent and racist pal...people are...
Now your saying oneno's God is malevolent and racist?
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Not in the least...I'd never disrespect a person's higher power...but the Bible...which I've read multiple time btw, can be interpreted in many ways, and some choose to interpret it in a way which is hurtful to those whom they don't like. Gods aren't malevolent and racist pal...people are...
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